Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[JSRAW]

@ JSRAW, my main issue with Indian domestic cricket is not the number of teams. Rather than that, I am worried that the teams are not at the same level. For example, the Uttar Pradesh cricket team represents 200 million plus people and then we have the Puducherry and Chandigarh teams which represent just 1 million each. Do you think that it is logical to have UP and Chandigarh in the same competition? Rather than having separate teams for Chandigarh, Mizoram.etc, why can't the BCCI form a combined team for all these smaller states? From what I have seen, Puducherry and Chandigarh hardly fields any natives in their playing XI. Most of the players come from other states, who chose to represent these states because they get the opportunity to play first class cricket.

Completely agree on representation, but this seems more like political problem IMO and its a big one if we are talking about UP. BCCI needs to step up and voluntary pass the resolution to form 4-5 more teams from UP. Gujrat has 3 teams (Gujrat, Baroda and Saurashtra). Similarly Maharashtra has also 3 teams (Maharashtra, Mumbai, Vidarbha), so its possible. Just to let you know politically i am in favor of dividing Uttar Pradesh into 4-6 smaller states.

[pakhitheboss]

@ JSRAW, my main issue with Indian domestic cricket is not the number of teams. Rather than that, I am worried that the teams are not at the same level. For example, the Uttar Pradesh cricket team represents 200 million plus people and then we have the Puducherry and Chandigarh teams which represent just 1 million each. Do you think that it is logical to have UP and Chandigarh in the same competition? Rather than having separate teams for Chandigarh, Mizoram.etc, why can't the BCCI form a combined team for all these smaller states? From what I have seen, Puducherry and Chandigarh hardly fields any natives in their playing XI. Most of the players come from other states, who chose to represent these states because they get the opportunity to play first class cricket.

Completely agree on representation, but this seems more like political problem IMO and its a big one if we are talking about UP. BCCI needs to step up and voluntary pass the resolution to form 4-5 more teams from UP. Gujrat has 3 teams (Gujrat, Baroda and Saurashtra). Similarly Maharashtra has also 3 teams (Maharashtra, Mumbai, Vidarbha), so its possible. Just to let you know politically i am in favor of dividing Uttar Pradesh into 4-6 smaller states.

If it happens then more talent from UP will get a chance. It is a good idea indeed UP can be divided into two or three states easily without any issues but politician will not allow it to happen so easily.

[Indymoney]

@ JSRAW, my main issue with Indian domestic cricket is not the number of teams. Rather than that, I am worried that the teams are not at the same level. For example, the Uttar Pradesh cricket team represents 200 million plus people and then we have the Puducherry and Chandigarh teams which represent just 1 million each. Do you think that it is logical to have UP and Chandigarh in the same competition? Rather than having separate teams for Chandigarh, Mizoram.etc, why can't the BCCI form a combined team for all these smaller states? From what I have seen, Puducherry and Chandigarh hardly fields any natives in their playing XI. Most of the players come from other states, who chose to represent these states because they get the opportunity to play first class cricket.

Completely agree on representation, but this seems more like political problem IMO and its a big one if we are talking about UP. BCCI needs to step up and voluntary pass the resolution to form 4-5 more teams from UP. Gujrat has 3 teams (Gujrat, Baroda and Saurashtra). Similarly Maharashtra has also 3 teams (Maharashtra, Mumbai, Vidarbha), so its possible. Just to let you know politically i am in favor of dividing Uttar Pradesh into 4-6 smaller states.

If it happens then more talent from UP will get a chance. It is a good idea indeed UP can be divided into two or three states easily without any issues but politician will not allow it to happen so easily.

In developing countries politics is really big enemy of talent and system because corrupt politicians never want to give any one his right so as you guys talking we have same problem in many countries they can bring some good talent but system is not helping country like India where they have some good number of sponsors many youths fail to came out just because of this they have not right way to join bigs if they divide this all as its need then surely they have some better teams and better players with more support from local peoples as well.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Completely agree on representation, but this seems more like political problem IMO and its a big one if we are talking about UP. BCCI needs to step up and voluntary pass the resolution to form 4-5 more teams from UP. Gujrat has 3 teams (Gujrat, Baroda and Saurashtra). Similarly Maharashtra has also 3 teams (Maharashtra, Mumbai, Vidarbha), so its possible. Just to let you know politically i am in favor of dividing Uttar Pradesh into 4-6 smaller states.

We already have 38 teams playing in the Ranji Trophy and I don't want even more teams. A lot of the players from UP now represents states such as Delhi and Chandigarh. I would rather reduce the number of teams from the present number of 38 to somewhere around 20. I would like to see a single team from the Northeast. Also, I don't want the smaller Union Territories such as Chandigarh and Puducherry fielding their own team in the Ranji Trophy.

[JSRAW]

Completely agree on representation, but this seems more like political problem IMO and its a big one if we are talking about UP. BCCI needs to step up and voluntary pass the resolution to form 4-5 more teams from UP. Gujrat has 3 teams (Gujrat, Baroda and Saurashtra). Similarly Maharashtra has also 3 teams (Maharashtra, Mumbai, Vidarbha), so its possible. Just to let you know politically i am in favor of dividing Uttar Pradesh into 4-6 smaller states.

We already have 38 teams playing in the Ranji Trophy and I don't want even more teams. A lot of the players from UP now represents states such as Delhi and Chandigarh. I would rather reduce the number of teams from the present number of 38 to somewhere around 20. I would like to see a single team from the Northeast. Also, I don't want the smaller Union Territories such as Chandigarh and Puducherry fielding their own team in the Ranji Trophy.

Okay it seems our view points are radically different on this issue. In existing system i don't mind less teams in Ranji but if we want to mine the raw talent then am in favor of more teams in domestic condition apply, already tried to touch the subject in my previous reply to Sithara007.

[bryant.coleman]

Okay it seems our view points are radically different on this issue. In existing system i don't mind less teams in Ranji but if we want to mine the raw talent then am in favor of more teams in domestic condition apply, already tried to touch the subject in my previous reply to Sithara007.

I am also in favor of the current setup. Ranji Trophy is divided into three tiers, so the quality is maintained. Out of the 38 teams, 18 are placed in the top tier and another 10 are placed in the middle tier. A total of 10 teams (such as Mizoram and Sikkim) make up the Plate Group, which is the third tier. You may not witness matches such as Mumbai vs Manipur or Karnataka vs Nagaland very often.

[JSRAW]

Okay it seems our view points are radically different on this issue. In existing system i don't mind less teams in Ranji but if we want to mine the raw talent then am in favor of more teams in domestic condition apply, already tried to touch the subject in my previous reply to Sithara007.

I am also in favor of the current setup. Ranji Trophy is divided into three tiers, so the quality is maintained. Out of the 38 teams, 18 are placed in the top tier and another 10 are placed in the middle tier. A total of 10 teams (such as Mizoram and Sikkim) make up the Plate Group, which is the third tier. You may not witness matches such as Mumbai vs Manipur or Karnataka vs Nagaland very often.

Your suggestion is different from my and vishnu but Tier/group system in Ranji sounds good to me as i already support this idea in international cricket(Test), with this they don't need to remove any team and group system ensures competitive cricket among the strong teams.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Your suggestion is different from my and vishnu but Tier/group system in Ranji sounds good to me as i already support this idea in international cricket(Test), with this they don't need to remove any team and group system ensures competitive cricket among the strong teams.

In test cricket, the divisions are not well defined. The first division comprises of 9 teams, and the second division comprises of just 3 (Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan). I would have opted for even number of teams in both the divisions. So there should be 6 teams in the first division and 6 in the second division. This could have prevented the occurrence of lopsided matches.

[Juggy777]

Okay it seems our view points are radically different on this issue. In existing system i don't mind less teams in Ranji but if we want to mine the raw talent then am in favor of more teams in domestic condition apply, already tried to touch the subject in my previous reply to Sithara007.

I am also in favor of the current setup. Ranji Trophy is divided into three tiers, so the quality is maintained. Out of the 38 teams, 18 are placed in the top tier and another 10 are placed in the middle tier. A total of 10 teams (such as Mizoram and Sikkim) make up the Plate Group, which is the third tier. You may not witness matches such as Mumbai vs Manipur or Karnataka vs Nagaland very often.

Your suggestion is different from my and vishnu but Tier/group system in Ranji sounds good to me as i already support this idea in international cricket(Test), with this they don't need to remove any team and group system ensures competitive cricket among the strong teams.

@JSRAW I had to study the Ranji three tier system to get a better understanding of what you’ll want, and after reading about it I have to agree that it can definitely be implemented by the ICC. However I don’t expect this to be implemented anytime soon, because currently ICC isn’t concerned about Test cricket. Lastly as fans of this game we can only hope, that at some stage ICC will seriously work on reviving Test cricket.

From the 2018-19 season, the teams contested in three-tiers. Five teams will qualify for the quarter-finals from the top tier (known as Elite Group A and Group B). Two teams will qualify from the second-tier (Elite Group C) and One team from the lower-tier (Plate Group) for the quarter-finals.

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranji_Trophy

https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/11/16740/Fans-and-Players-Overwhelmingly-Favour-Test-Cricket---But-is-the-ICC-Interested

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/test-cricket-dying-icc-chairman-shashank-manohar-t20is-revnue-cricket-olympics-1450946-2019-02-07

https://m.dailyhunt.in/news/india/english/cricket+addictor+english-epaper-cricaden/kevin+pietersen+opens+up+on+how+to+revive+test+cricket-newsid-n169678654

[bryant.coleman]

@JSRAW I had to study the Ranji three tier system to get a better understanding of what you’ll want, and after reading about it I have to agree that it can definitely be implemented by the ICC. However I don’t expect this to be implemented anytime soon, because currently ICC isn’t concerned about Test cricket. Lastly as fans of this game we can only hope, that at some stage ICC will seriously work on reviving Test cricket.

With every passing year, the number of fans who prefer the longer format goes down. T10/T20/ODI are far more popular nowadays and only a few die-hard traditionalists favor the test matches. Another factor that is having an impact on the popularity is the increasing gap between the big 3 teams and the rest. In the shorter format, the weaker teams still have a chance. But in the longer format, the matches are increasingly becoming one-sided.

[JSRAW]

Your suggestion is different from my and vishnu but Tier/group system in Ranji sounds good to me as i already support this idea in international cricket(Test), with this they don't need to remove any team and group system ensures competitive cricket among the strong teams.

In test cricket, the divisions are not well defined. The first division comprises of 9 teams, and the second division comprises of just 3 (Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan). I would have opted for even number of teams in both the divisions. So there should be 6 teams in the first division and 6 in the second division. This could have prevented the occurrence of lopsided matches.

We discussed this couple of times, I wrote about it in details last year or so, can't find that post but recently you, me, eality and others were discussing the very same topic, quoting same reply here

In current situation, i would like to see Group system in the Test Cricket.

Group A : Top 6 teams
Group B : Bottom 6 teams

Replace bottom teams (4 and 5) from Group A > with topper teams ( 7 and 8 ) of Group B. After every FTP cycle.

@JSRAW

Holy cow Juggy777 so many articles eh.. using phone so can't read all, Sorry 

[pakhitheboss]

@JSRAW I had to study the Ranji three tier system to get a better understanding of what you’ll want, and after reading about it I have to agree that it can definitely be implemented by the ICC. However I don’t expect this to be implemented anytime soon, because currently ICC isn’t concerned about Test cricket. Lastly as fans of this game we can only hope, that at some stage ICC will seriously work on reviving Test cricket.

With every passing year, the number of fans who prefer the longer format goes down. T10/T20/ODI are far more popular nowadays and only a few die-hard traditionalists favor the test matches. Another factor that is having an impact on the popularity is the increasing gap between the big 3 teams and the rest. In the shorter format, the weaker teams still have a chance. But in the longer format, the matches are increasingly becoming one-sided.

The problem is time, cricket fans do not have the time nor the patience to sit and watch a game that take 5 days. The shoter the format the lesser the time it will take to finish.

Shorter formats are also the source for excitement in cricket due to their close finish.

[bryant.coleman]

Holy cow Juggy777 so many articles eh.. using phone so can't read all, Sorry  

This article posted by Juggy777 caught my attention:

https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/11/16740/Fans-and-Players-Overwhelmingly-Favour-Test-Cricket---But-is-the-ICC-Interested

It claims that the fans and the players are overwhelmingly favoring test format. I don't think that this is accurate. Because at least in my area, the number of cricket fans who favor the longer format are less in number. And talking about the players, obviously we have a few who are concentrating on the longer version after retiring from the shorter format. But the number who went in the opposite direction is far higher.

[JSRAW]

Holy cow Juggy777 so many articles eh.. using phone so can't read all, Sorry  

This article posted by Juggy777 caught my attention:

https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/11/16740/Fans-and-Players-Overwhelmingly-Favour-Test-Cricket---But-is-the-ICC-Interested

I claims that the fans and the players are overwhelmingly favoring test format. I don't think that this is accurate. Because at least in my area, the number of cricket fans who favor the longer format are less in number. And talking about the players, obviously we have a few who are concentrating on the longer version after retiring from the shorter format. But the number who went in the opposite direction is far higher.

I don't see much problem in SENA countries as far as crowd is concern.  In England and Australia test following is almost intact, South Africa generate fair amount of crowd or on many occasion house full. New Zealand already gets few tests so fans still have some interest. Problem lies with in Indian subcontinent so you are not completely wrong about your neighborhood.

About players jumping from the ship. IMO It happens with the establish players, if you look at ground level eg; Coaching center and domestic level. Majority of players likes to play in the longer version of game first. If this survey took place around any coaching center (They didn't mentioned tho) then it has no value or has biased voices for obvious reasons.

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[bryant.coleman]

In the SENA nations (especially England and New Zealand), people would like to go out for the entire day and watch the cricket match in the stands, when there is mild sunshine and pleasant weather. But that is not the case in the sub-continent, when summer temperature can rise to 45 degree Celsius. It is not a very gratifying experience to be with a huge crowd from 9 am to 5 pm under these tiring conditions.

[UmerIdrees]

Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.

Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against  Big 3 manipulations.

[bryant.coleman]

Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.
Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against  Big 3 manipulations.

Why this all of a sudden? Currently Colin Graves (of the England and Wales Cricket Board) is being considered as the frontrunner to succeed Shashank Manohar, and I believe Mani has some personal grudge against him. What the ICC needs right now is someone who is qualified for the job, and not someone who is selected solely on the basis of "smaller nations" quota.

[JohnBitCo]

Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.

Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against  Big 3 manipulations.

You won't find much support for your protest in this forum because majority of the people belong to India on this board and few of them from England too.

Wouldn't it better if he could name a person whom should be the next chairman of ICC or he is aiming himself for the seat  

[Swordsoffreedom]

Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.
Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against  Big 3 manipulations.

Why this all of a sudden? Currently Colin Graves (of the England and Wales Cricket Board) is being considered as the frontrunner to succeed Shashank Manohar, and I believe Mani has some personal grudge against him. What the ICC needs right now is someone who is qualified for the job, and not someone who is selected solely on the basis of "smaller nations" quota.

We have seen how India wants to influence the ICC. And in many cases, they are successful. For example, this time the ICC t20 world cup was not held but the IPL is will be held. Many people believe that India had a role to play in not holding the world cup this year. They didn't want the world cup to be held because it would have made the IPL uncertain. For this type of reason, we need someone who is qualified for this post and no one/country can influence him. If he is impartial then it does not matter that where is he from.

[teosanru]

Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.

Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against  Big 3 manipulations.

Truth is that Shashank Manohar was a president who actually went against BCCI many times and technically was the one who suspended the big 3 model from ICC. Moreover there is almost a zero chance that anyone from Pakistan would be given a chair at ICC.

Ehsan Mani: 'Healthier' to not have next ICC chairman from 'Big Three'. At least someone is able to speak publicly about this.
Common Bangladesh, South Africa , NZ, WI , Srilanka lets protest against  Big 3 manipulations.

Why this all of a sudden? Currently Colin Graves (of the England and Wales Cricket Board) is being considered as the frontrunner to succeed Shashank Manohar, and I believe Mani has some personal grudge against him. What the ICC needs right now is someone who is qualified for the job, and not someone who is selected solely on the basis of "smaller nations" quota.

We have seen how India wants to influence the ICC . And in many cases they are successful . For example ,this time the ICC t20 world cup was not held but the IPL is will be held  . Many people believe that India had a role to play in not holding the world cup this year. They didn't want the world cup to be held  because it would have made the IPL uncertain. For this type of reason we need someone who is qualified for this post and  no one/country can influence him . If he is impartial then it does not matter that where is he from .

I won't deny what you said but it's just the partial truth. Shashank manohar was the only one who was able to leash the big growing BCCI even gave them a cut in the revenues unlike previous Chairman who were more sort of representatives of BCCI. Moreover , I think BCCI's influence comes due to the power of viewership they have. I read somewhere that BCCI and England cricket board always have been like minded in their thoughts. Morever if ICC gets into too much of fight with BCCI. BCCI may choose to leave ICC and setup another international cricket body and definitely many nations would follow BCCI if not all. This would technically make ICC useless. So if BCCI can do this it's pretty obvious that ICC will be influenced by them.
 
This is a pretty nice channel which highlighted this fact: https://youtu.be/oSKD5uV7nVE