Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[BitSat19]

Good to see the match is in progress and i hope the weathers stays like this all day. England have lost their first wicket and they were close to losing their 2nd wicket too but the review from Pakistan got rejected.  Also umpires need to review the light from time to time as it is looking little dark from the Tv screen.

It is raining and the umpires have taken the decision to suspend play. Also bad light seems to be an issue at Southampton. I am not sure whether play will be possible for the remainder of the day. England batsmen looked very vulnerable against the swing and seam of Shaheen Shah Afridi and Mohammad Abbas. It is going to be tough for them.

This test match it was only rains and less of cricket match. England started poorly and lost 1 wicket as well for 7 runs. The pitch is not looking to be a batting friendly and scoring runs at quick pace is not possible. So England just have to bat whatever overs happened today and tomorrow and get some practice before the next test match begins.

Now no one have any choice as rain again disturbing badly and both teams going to share points for this second test.

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[MFahad]

Good to see the match is in progress and i hope the weathers stays like this all day. England have lost their first wicket and they were close to losing their 2nd wicket too but the review from Pakistan got rejected.  Also umpires need to review the light from time to time as it is looking little dark from the Tv screen.

It is raining and the umpires have taken the decision to suspend play. Also bad light seems to be an issue at Southampton. I am not sure whether play will be possible for the remainder of the day. England batsmen looked very vulnerable against the swing and seam of Shaheen Shah Afridi and Mohammad Abbas. It is going to be tough for them.

This sort of weather suit the fast bowlers as the bowl swings more. However, since it started raining again, we have again no option but to wait and see. If there is no game possible today the umpire should announce the result of the match as a draw.

[Vishnu.Reang]

This test match it was only rains and less of cricket match. England started poorly and lost 1 wicket as well for 7 runs. The pitch is not looking to be a batting friendly and scoring runs at quick pace is not possible. So England just have to bat whatever overs happened today and tomorrow and get some practice before the next test match begins.

And still we have people who want to reduce the duration of the test matches to 4 days. These rain affected matches can have a severe impact on the points table for the ICC World Test Championship. Here England is getting robbed of points, which they otherwise could have won. Why can't we have a reserve day for the rain-affected matches?

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Good to see the match is in progress and i hope the weathers stays like this all day. England have lost their first wicket and they were close to losing their 2nd wicket too but the review from Pakistan got rejected.  Also umpires need to review the light from time to time as it is looking little dark from the Tv screen.

I thought the weather would allow the match would continue and that never happened as the match was halted again and the weather is dominating the series than the players going to the field. I would really love to see what the Pakistan team could offer against this England team without any interference. Pakistan bowlers are not that talented like they used to have in the past but the current crop is creating issues for the England side and i would like to see how they would match up. 

[MFahad]

Good to see the match is in progress and i hope the weathers stays like this all day. England have lost their first wicket and they were close to losing their 2nd wicket too but the review from Pakistan got rejected.  Also umpires need to review the light from time to time as it is looking little dark from the Tv screen.

I thought the weather would allow the match would continue and that never happened as the match was halted again and the weather is dominating the series than the players going to the field. I would really love to see what the Pakistan team could offer against this England team without any interference. Pakistan bowlers are not that talented like they used to have in the past but the current crop is creating issues for the England side and i would like to see how they would match up. 

I am afarid you cannot see the pakistani bowlers in action because the rain is not looking to stop and this match will end up in a draw without further play. I hope we get a full 5 days play in the last test match of the series.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I hope we get a full 5 days play in the last test match of the series.

I don't think so. Third match is scheduled to start from 21st August (this Friday) and the venue is the same (The Rose Bowl, Southampton). As per the weather prediction, widespread rains are expected for all the five days. I will be really surprised if the outcome is anything other than a draw. But please don't get disheartened. We have the T20I series starting from 28th.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Since the venue is same does not look good for the prospects and England would have wanted to win the series by like 3-0 or so or atleast would have tried to do the whitewash if match would have happened without any rain interruption. Unfortunately, that is not the case and England may still win the series but by 1-0 assuming third one ends in draw.

If they end up winning the series 1-0, then it will put them in a disadvantage. They were expected to win the series 3-0 or at least 2-0 and could have scored anywhere between 80 and 120 points. The point system is designed in such a way that a win is awarded 40 points, but a draw is given only 13 points. England is clearly losing out here. For the second test, England received 13 points instead of 40 which they deserved.

[eaLiTy]

England team dint got chance to bat as well or say they dint had any practice of batting in this test match. Also, on last day till now it is raining and might just end without even a ball being bowled.

It looks like the rain god's have listened to your cries  . I was wondering why England is batting when the match is done and dusted rather than taking rest and going back to their hotels and there is no way a result could be made but it is good time to improve the average of batsman as there is no pressure about a result .
Hope we will be able to see the next match without any interruption and if there are signs of rain its better to go for a draw .

[JSRAW]

Reading cricbuzz feed, it says both team got 13 WTC points each. It was supposed to be 3 games  40*3 = 120 points series. Both team should have get 20 each. So what's the logic here, can some one explain? or is it because they didn't get to finish first 2 inning?

So, what did the teams gain from this game? Well, 13 WTC points and that's handy indeed.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/29079/eng-vs-pak-2nd-test-pakistan-tour-of-england-2020

[Indymoney]

Reading cricbuzz feed, it says both team got 13 WTC points each. It was supposed to be 3 games  40*3 = 120 points series. Both team should have get 20 each. So what's the logic here, can some one explain? or is it because they didn't get to finish first 2 inning?

So, what did the teams gain from this game? Well, 13 WTC points and that's handy indeed.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/29079/eng-vs-pak-2nd-test-pakistan-tour-of-england-2020

I try some about this why they give 13 points but until now have nothing but surely I will post after spending some more time about this issue but now another good news now ICC thinking about this badlight and rain and bringing new amendments hopefully these will works better https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29680645/icc-mulling-possible-changes-bad-light-regulations

[Vishnu.Reang]

Reading cricbuzz feed, it says both team got 13 WTC points each. It was supposed to be 3 games  40*3 = 120 points series. Both team should have get 20 each. So what's the logic here, can some one explain? or is it because they didn't get to finish first 2 inning?

So, what did the teams gain from this game? Well, 13 WTC points and that's handy indeed.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/29079/eng-vs-pak-2nd-test-pakistan-tour-of-england-2020

Yes. As per the point system decided by the ICC for the World test championship, a win is awarded 40 points, while a draw is awarded 1/3rd of that many point (to each of the teams). The ICC made this decision, to discourage the test teams from preparing very flat tracks where a result may not be achieved even after 5 days of play (this has happened a lot in the sub-continent).

[JSRAW]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/29680645/icc-mulling-possible-changes-bad-light-regulations

Pink ball sounds reasonable, i guess.

Reading cricbuzz feed, it says both team got 13 WTC points each. It was supposed to be 3 games  40*3 = 120 points series. Both team should have get 20 each. So what's the logic here, can some one explain? or is it because they didn't get to finish first 2 inning?

So, what did the teams gain from this game? Well, 13 WTC points and that's handy indeed.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scores/29079/eng-vs-pak-2nd-test-pakistan-tour-of-england-2020

Yes. As per the point system decided by the ICC for the World test championship, a win is awarded 40 points, while a draw is awarded 1/3rd of that many point (to each of the teams). The ICC made this decision, to discourage the test teams from preparing very flat tracks where a result may not be achieved even after 5 days of play (this has happened a lot in the sub-continent).

I got confused when i saw 13 points as i remember couple of games (SL vs Pak) where ICC gave half points to both teams, Looked into it their website and found this..
https://www.icc-cricket.com/world-test-championship/about

[pakhitheboss]

England team dint got chance to bat as well or say they dint had any practice of batting in this test match. Also, on last day till now it is raining and might just end without even a ball being bowled.

It looks like the rain god's have listened to your cries  . I was wondering why England is batting when the match is done and dusted rather than taking rest and going back to their hotels and there is no way a result could be made but it is good time to improve the average of batsman as there is no pressure about a result .
Hope we will be able to see the next match without any interruption and if there are signs of rain its better to go for a draw .

Pakistan should be happy for the second test, the way they batted first it was pretty clear they would have lost the 2 test match. The next test is crucial if Pakistan wins the third test, the series would end in a draw. England would not want to lose the last test match. if the weather again plays its part and the third test also is declared draw. then England will still win the series.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Pakistan should be happy for the second test, the way they batted first it was pretty clear they would have lost the 2 test match. The next test is crucial if Pakistan wins the third test, the series would end in a draw. England would not want to lose the last test match. if the weather again plays its part and the third test also is declared draw. then England will still win the series.

As I had posted earlier, weather predictions are not looking very promising as rain is expected for all the five days. In all probability, the third match may also end up as a draw and if that happens then England may end up with 66 points from this series and Pakistan will be having 26 in their kitty. Not a bad score for Pakistan, considering that a lot of people were expecting them to get zero points from this series.

[Indymoney]

England team dint got chance to bat as well or say they dint had any practice of batting in this test match. Also, on last day till now it is raining and might just end without even a ball being bowled.

It looks like the rain god's have listened to your cries  . I was wondering why England is batting when the match is done and dusted rather than taking rest and going back to their hotels and there is no way a result could be made but it is good time to improve the average of batsman as there is no pressure about a result .
Hope we will be able to see the next match without any interruption and if there are signs of rain its better to go for a draw .

Pakistan should be happy for the second test, the way they batted first it was pretty clear they would have lost the 2 test match. The next test is crucial if Pakistan wins the third test, the series would end in a draw. England would not want to lose the last test match. if the weather again plays its part and the third test also is declared draw. then England will still win the series.

Pakistan is not happy because now they are leaking their wounds they lost golden opportunity to win this series and good points in first test now second is already end in draw and most chances third is also going to end in draw because too much rain expected so this series is going to end on just first test result which is clearly not good for them but England is also not happy as now they are feeling they can do some more good after winning first test.

[davinchi]

Pakistan is not happy because now they are leaking their wounds they lost golden opportunity to win this series and good points in first test now second is already end in draw and most chances third is also going to end in draw because too much rain expected so this series is going to end on just first test result which is clearly not good for them but England is also not happy as now they are feeling they can do some more good after winning first test.

Pakistan might be happy as rain prevented them to be 0-2 which means they are still having decent chances to square the series rather than being already lost the series. The 3rd test is going to be played at Southampton which might be flat surface then there would be a decent chances for Pakistan players to score more and to put England to chase to make them feel the pressure to defeat England. But, England will be a fiery team in home soil and they have improved batting line who may bat like T20 matches even in test cricket.

If Pakistan will look for more spinning options then probably they get chances to put England in back foot as English team is always known for struggling against spinners even in home grounds.

[vella85]

Pakistan is not happy because now they are leaking their wounds they lost golden opportunity to win this series and good points in first test now second is already end in draw and most chances third is also going to end in draw because too much rain expected so this series is going to end on just first test result which is clearly not good for them but England is also not happy as now they are feeling they can do some more good after winning first test.

Pakistan might be happy as rain prevented them to be 0-2 which means they are still having decent chances to square the series rather than being already lost the series. The 3rd test is going to be played at Southampton which might be flat surface then there would be a decent chances for Pakistan players to score more and to put England to chase to make them feel the pressure to defeat England. But, England will be a fiery team in home soil and they have improved batting line who may bat like T20 matches even in test cricket.

If Pakistan will look for more spinning options then probably they get chances to put England in back foot as English team is always known for struggling against spinners even in home grounds.

I also think that Pakistan would be happy with the result in being a draw as it still gives them a chance to at least draw the series which would be a good outcome for them after letting England back into the series with their second innings poor performance in the first test match. Even with all the rain around hopefully we'll see one team win the third test.

[pakhitheboss]

Pakistan is not happy because now they are leaking their wounds they lost golden opportunity to win this series and good points in first test now second is already end in draw and most chances third is also going to end in draw because too much rain expected so this series is going to end on just first test result which is clearly not good for them but England is also not happy as now they are feeling they can do some more good after winning first test.

Pakistan might be happy as rain prevented them to be 0-2 which means they are still having decent chances to square the series rather than being already lost the series. The 3rd test is going to be played at Southampton which might be flat surface then there would be a decent chances for Pakistan players to score more and to put England to chase to make them feel the pressure to defeat England. But, England will be a fiery team in home soil and they have improved batting line who may bat like T20 matches even in test cricket.

If Pakistan will look for more spinning options then probably they get chances to put England in back foot as English team is always known for struggling against spinners even in home grounds.

I also think that Pakistan would be happy with the result in being a draw as it still gives them a chance to at least draw the series which would be a good outcome for them after letting England back into the series with their second innings poor performance in the first test match. Even with all the rain around hopefully we'll see one team win the third test.

I only hope that we are able to see the complete third match rather than rain playing a spoil sport. I am sure if the third test match gets played then there is a high chance of it being a close one. Pakistan will try everything to win the last test.

[Vishnu.Reang]

3rd if it happens without any interruption is going to be a good contest as both teams will play their best of the match and England will want to make it 2-0 and other hand Pakistan will try to win and draw this series. Also, need to check if any of the team will make any chances in their side or will continue with the same team.

In all probability the 3rd test will end up as a draw, as the weather predictions are not that promising. In that case, England will end up with 66 points from the series, which would put them at a severe disadvantage against teams such as Australia and New Zealand in the ICC World Test Championship. Pakistan won't be happy either, as they wasted a chance for a victory during the first test. Had they won the first test, then they could have ended up with 66 points.

[JSRAW]

All things aside India still not winning the WTC at any cost even if they reach the finals easily. England/Australia/Newzealand are very strong in comparison of India when playing in the English condition ( lords)