ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[bryant.coleman]

As a bowler, I think Imran Tahir would have been a better choice than Moin Ali. But if you say that Imran Tahir is not very good at batting, it is true. I think Moin Ali will be included in the squad as an all-rounder. It's not that England is just bowling badly. They are batted very badly too. At the moment there is no option to take spinner all-round in the squad now. I think Moin Ali is a good choice. Ngidi can be kept in the team to increase the strength in the pace bowling lineup.

If Moeen Ali is included in the playing XI, then there is no point in including Imran Tahir. They don't need to waste two overseas slots on spinners. Also, they have good Indian spinners in the form of Ravindra Jadeja and Karn Sharma. And in case they are so adamant about including an overseas spinner, then IMO Mitchell Santner may be a much better choice. I would like the CSK to go with at least one overseas pacer, probably Josh Hazlewood.

[Swordsoffreedom]

He's right, their first choice would be Gaikwad-Faf combination. Gaikwad was pretty good buy for them last year and he also scored fair amount of runs with the average of 50 plus. Guess they bought Moeen Ali recently at very high price so i think he would get first chance over anyone else.

Moeen Ali is a good spinner, but he's not performing with the bat for some time. And I really don't know how effective will be his off-spin in the IPL. The Indian batsmen are very comfortable against the off-spinners and the pitches are likely to be very flat. IMO, Tahir would be a better option as a spinner, but his batting skills are not very good. Also I hope they will include at least one among Hazlewood/Viljoen/Ngidi to strengthen their pace bowling attack.

As a bowler, I think Imran Tahir would have been a better choice than Moin Ali. But if you say that Imran Tahir is not very good at batting, it is true. I think Moin Ali will be included in the squad as an all-rounder. It's not that England is just bowling badly. They are batted very badly too. At the moment there is no option to take spinner all-round in the squad now. I think Moin Ali is a good choice. Ngidi can be kept in the team to increase the strength in the pace bowling lineup.

The inclusion of two foreign spinners in the squad is nothing but nonsense. When they have great native spinners like Jadeja. I think a foreign pace bowler should be included in the squad. And foreign batsmen should be given a chance. Foreign batsmen perform somewhat better than domestic batsmen. On the other hand, Moin Ali has been bought at a much higher price. Looks like he'll be in the squad. If he fails to perform as expected, Imran Tahir will be given a chance.

[Vishnu.Reang]

The inclusion of two foreign spinners in the squad is nothing but nonsense. When they have great native spinners like Jadeja. I think a foreign pace bowler should be included in the squad. And foreign batsmen should be given a chance. Foreign batsmen perform somewhat better than domestic batsmen. On the other hand, Moin Ali has been bought at a much higher price. Looks like he'll be in the squad. If he fails to perform as expected, Imran Tahir will be given a chance.

Tahir is just unlucky. He is one of the best spinners in T20 format, despite his age. But CSK is one of the teams that depends heavily on overseas players and therefore it is difficult to accommodate him. Also, middle order is the weak spot for CSK and they need someone like Moeen to strengthen them in that component. For most of the other franchises, Tahir would be an automatic selection for the playing XI. But as I said, he is just unlucky to be with the CSK.

[7788bitcoin]

Tahir is just unlucky. He is one of the best spinners in T20 format, despite his age. But CSK is one of the teams that depends heavily on overseas players and therefore it is difficult to accommodate him. Also, middle order is the weak spot for CSK and they need someone like Moeen to strengthen them in that component. For most of the other franchises, Tahir would be an automatic selection for the playing XI. But as I said, he is just unlucky to be with the CSK.

Do the players get the same payment if they play or not, if so Imran Tahir is doing fine as he is a sort after spinner in any other franchise cricket and he is stuck with CSK for a long time and when ever he gets the opportunity he usually performs well if i remember correctly and Moeen Ali is another player who will be an automatic selection in any other team because of his batting exploits and his bowling ability.

I do think these players are getting paid even if they are not in the playing eleven if not they would have requested for a release long back .

[Vishnu.Reang]

Do the players get the same payment if they play or not, if so Imran Tahir is doing fine as he is a sort after spinner in any other franchise cricket and he is stuck with CSK for a long time and when ever he gets the opportunity he usually performs well if i remember correctly and Moeen Ali is another player who will be an automatic selection in any other team because of his batting exploits and his bowling ability.

I do think these players are getting paid even if they are not in the playing eleven if not they would have requested for a release long back .

Yes. They get paid the full amount (as per the contract), even if they don't get selected for even a single match. But the condition is that they should be "available for selection". If someone is injured, or unavailable due to some other reason (similar to what happened to Suresh Raina in IPL 2020), then they need to forfeit the salary. So for players such as Tahir, it means that they may get money for not doing much work. 

[JSRAW]

^^ Additionally in case of injury similar to Shryas Iyer, its not like that he will not receive any money. Indian players are insured by the BCCI in case they get injured during any game so its not going to hurt players pocket at all. 

[mersal]

If someone is injured, or unavailable due to some other reason (similar to what happened to Suresh Raina in IPL 2020), then they need to forfeit the salary.

Not so I guess because overseas players skipped the season in between or completely after they have been purchased for premium process in the auction due to the international matches get paid in full so no matter whether it is personal reason or injury they will get their contract pay in full.

[ene1980]

^^ Additionally in case of injury similar to Shryas Iyer, its not like that he will not receive any money. Indian players are insured by the BCCI in case they get injured during any game so its not going to hurt players pocket at all. 

No wonder some of the players are giving importance to the IPL than playing for the country. Moeen Ali left the squad to be back in India and play in the IPL and we know that he is not playing all the matches and yet majority of the players like to warm the bench and if they are getting the incentives for warning the bench it is really cool and i wish i was picked to warm the bench  .

Since you said that Indian players are insured, how about the IPL foreign players are they insured as well if they are injured during the match.

[JSRAW]

^^ Additionally in case of injury similar to Shryas Iyer, its not like that he will not receive any money. Indian players are insured by the BCCI in case they get injured during any game so its not going to hurt players pocket at all. 

No wonder some of the players are giving importance to the IPL than playing for the country. Moeen Ali left the squad to be back in India and play in the IPL and we know that he is not playing all the matches and yet majority of the players like to warm the bench and if they are getting the incentives for warning the bench it is really cool and i wish i was picked to warm the bench  .

Since you said that Indian players are insured, how about the IPL foreign players are they insured as well if they are injured during the match.

Moeen Ali case was slightly different, he and coaching staff were not in good terms due to unknown reasons that's why he went to home after the 2nd test and then there was some rotation-policy effect also. Joe Root and Head coach clarified this on the record after the controversy.

Yeah foreign players are also insured if they get injured playing in the IPL but only 50% of their fees (For Indian players any game which comes under BCCI's umbrella like domestic-international)  and players could also sign the contract with the independent Insurance company. I remember reading somewhere that in 2018-19 Mitchell Starc received the $2ish Million claim from the Insurance company when he got injured just before the IPL.   

[Sithara007]

^^ Additionally in case of injury similar to Shryas Iyer, its not like that he will not receive any money. Indian players are insured by the BCCI in case they get injured during any game so its not going to hurt players pocket at all. 

There was a lengthy legal fight between Mitchell Starc and his insurer over the injury he suffered before IPL 2018 (the injury ruled him out of the IPL for that year). The insurer argued that the injury was gradual, and occurred over a course of period that was not covered in the insurance policy. Eventually both the sides reached an agreement and an undisclosed payment was made by the insurer to Starc. But the legal fight lasted for almost two years.

[Swordsoffreedom]

The inclusion of two foreign spinners in the squad is nothing but nonsense. When they have great native spinners like Jadeja. I think a foreign pace bowler should be included in the squad. And foreign batsmen should be given a chance. Foreign batsmen perform somewhat better than domestic batsmen. On the other hand, Moin Ali has been bought at a much higher price. Looks like he'll be in the squad. If he fails to perform as expected, Imran Tahir will be given a chance.

Tahir is just unlucky. He is one of the best spinners in T20 format, despite his age. But CSK is one of the teams that depends heavily on overseas players and therefore it is difficult to accommodate him. Also, middle order is the weak spot for CSK and they need someone like Moeen to strengthen them in that component. For most of the other franchises, Tahir would be an automatic selection for the playing XI. But as I said, he is just unlucky to be with the CSK.

From what I have said, Moin Ali will be considered as one of the key players of CSK. CSK needs a player like him to strengthen the middle order. Moin Ali will be able to take the helm of the team. And he’s a good enough spin bowler. However, if he fails to perform as expected as a batsman, then Imran Tahir will play as his replacement. But I hope Moin Ali will not disappoint us. He will play well in the IPL this time.

[Vishnu.Reang]

From what I have said, Moin Ali will be considered as one of the key players of CSK. CSK needs a player like him to strengthen the middle order. Moin Ali will be able to take the helm of the team. And he’s a good enough spin bowler. However, if he fails to perform as expected as a batsman, then Imran Tahir will play as his replacement. But I hope Moin Ali will not disappoint us. He will play well in the IPL this time.

Obviously when CSK is spending such a huge amount on him, they will be including him in the playing XI for most (if not all) of their matches. Unfortunately, that is bad news for players such as Tahir (and some of the pace bowlers), because Moeen eats up another valuable overseas slot. But that is how franchise cricket works. When no one expects an opening, suddenly someone gets injured and a slot is made available. And the replacement player performs so good that it is impossible to drop him. Last season, it happened a few times - Lockie Ferguson, Chris Morris.etc.

[7788bitcoin]

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Yes. They get paid the full amount (as per the contract), even if they don't get selected for even a single match. But the condition is that they should be "available for selection". If someone is injured, or unavailable due to some other reason (similar to what happened to Suresh Raina in IPL 2020), then they need to forfeit the salary. So for players such as Tahir, it means that they may get money for not doing much work. 

That is awesome to get picked by any team in the IPL throwing insane amount of money and with the restrictions of only 4 foreign players allowed in a team the rest of the players will be earning the money even without playing and the only problem i see is that they get rusty if they are not getting match practice and especially with retired players they will not last longer if they are warning the bench most of the time.

[Sithara007]

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Yes. They get paid the full amount (as per the contract), even if they don't get selected for even a single match. But the condition is that they should be "available for selection". If someone is injured, or unavailable due to some other reason (similar to what happened to Suresh Raina in IPL 2020), then they need to forfeit the salary. So for players such as Tahir, it means that they may get money for not doing much work. 

That is awesome to get picked by any team in the IPL throwing insane amount of money and with the restrictions of only 4 foreign players allowed in a team the rest of the players will be earning the money even without playing and the only problem i see is that they get rusty if they are not getting match practice and especially with retired players they will not last longer if they are warning the bench most of the time.

There should be some sort of player rotation. We have seen a lot of injury issues in the IPL, partly due to very high workload. The teams tend to include their star performers for consecutive matches without any rest, because every match is important. And it's not just the overseas players who struggle to get opportunity. In percentagewise, the Indian players get even chances. Out of the 8 overseas players, 4 can be included in the playing XI (50%). But the same for Indian players is less than that (7 out of 17 players).

[Juggy777]

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Yes. They get paid the full amount (as per the contract), even if they don't get selected for even a single match. But the condition is that they should be "available for selection". If someone is injured, or unavailable due to some other reason (similar to what happened to Suresh Raina in IPL 2020), then they need to forfeit the salary. So for players such as Tahir, it means that they may get money for not doing much work. 

That is awesome to get picked by any team in the IPL throwing insane amount of money and with the restrictions of only 4 foreign players allowed in a team the rest of the players will be earning the money even without playing and the only problem i see is that they get rusty if they are not getting match practice and especially with retired players they will not last longer if they are warning the bench most of the time.

There should be some sort of player rotation. We have seen a lot of injury issues in the IPL, partly due to very high workload. The teams tend to include their star performers for consecutive matches without any rest, because every match is important. And it's not just the overseas players who struggle to get opportunity. In percentagewise, the Indian players get even chances. Out of the 8 overseas players, 4 can be included in the playing XI (50%). But the same for Indian players is less than that (7 out of 17 players).

@Sithara007 playing constant cricket is a small price you pay for participating in IPL, and that’s why these player’s are heavily compensated. Also player’s are constantly pulling out of IPL with Hazelwood the latest player opting to give it a miss, and furthermore how many player’s do you think will opt out of IPL this year?.

Read here:

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/116875/hazlewood-opts-out-of-ipl-2021

[bryant.coleman]

South Africa seems to be recovering from the collapse they had in their ODI match against South Africa. They are now 166/4, which is a big improvement form their earlier position of 55/4. Rassie van der Dussen and David Miller have made half centuries. Still, if they want to out up a score in the vicinity of 300, one of these two needs to score a century. Temba Bavuma got out for just 1, in his first match as the ODI captain.

[UmerIdrees]

South Africa seems to be recovering from the collapse they had in their ODI match against South Africa.

I think you mean South Africa against Pakistan. 
Even though south africa recovered well and managed to make 274 runs but it seems that these runs are not enough as Pakistan are 138 runs in only 26 overs and can easily win this match.

[pakhitheboss]

South Africa seems to be recovering from the collapse they had in their ODI match against South Africa.

I think you mean South Africa against Pakistan. 
Even though south africa recovered well and managed to make 274 runs but it seems that these runs are not enough as Pakistan are 138 runs in only 26 overs and can easily win this match.

Pakistan needs 55 runs from 51 balls they still have wickets and they can easily win this match. Khan and Rizwan need to stick to the wicket till the end. If Pakistan loses any wicket now then SA will have the upper hand. It was because of Rassie van der Dussen and David Miller that SA was able to score 273. Overall an interesting match and I expect it to be a close one too in the end. 

[7788bitcoin]

Pakistan needs another 56 runs in next 54 balls in order to win. PAK have five wickets in hand, for now the remaining target easily attainable. But, before that Terrific innings made by Babar Azam, which is absolutely brilliant. His pull and drive are a treat to watch.

Pakistan should win the match as they need just 36 runs from 42 balls but since Pakistan is known to give us surprises you cannot fully believe that they can score the winnings runs as i have seen them loosing wickets in a pile and turn the match upside down. Babar Azam played an incredible innings along with Imam ul Haq and Rassie van der Dussen played the lone innings for South Africa and now a days if you see a total below 300 runs it looks like a achievable target  .

[Vishnu.Reang]

What an amazing match... in the end Pakistan managed to win with 0 balls remaining. The partnership between Babar Azam and Imam-ul-Haq provided a strong base for Pakistani chase, but then quick wickets by Anrich Nortje put them in backfoot. Temba Bavuma's first outing as the white-ball captain ends with a loss. BTW, did anyone noticed the jersey of both the teams? They looked so similar and I had difficulty in differentiating both the teams.