ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[BobK71]

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

Exactly that is the reason. They want a helping hand from ICC. Doesn't matter if the country is under Taliban now. They are now a nation. They deserve the equality like others. ICC should consider it as a good team and should fund it. Because this team has the ability to grow up. ICC should think neutraly.

In my opinion, ICC should extend comparable facilities to the potential teams. If those teams can be given some facilities then they can perform better in cricket. As a result, ICC may not be profitable in the short term, but in the long run, they can be profitable. Afghanistan is now considered one of the better teams and they should be rewarded for the short time they have developed their cricket. So that others can be inspired.

ICC makes big profit and this isn't gonna affect its revenue at any means. BCCI stands as one among the richest sports organization. When BCCI have got the status, why couldn't ICC reach such a position. Also the importance need to be given equally, same as what men team enjoy every form of comfort and support needs to be provided to the women's team too. When we need to develop cricket all around we shouldn't think of the revenue and all.

Yes, ICC should give equal importance to each team especially to improve the game. Relying only on revenue may lead to a serious crisis in cricket after a long time. Currently women's cricket has also received good praise in addition to men's cricket. If ICC focuses on the development of women's cricket as well as men's, then after a certain period of time women's cricket can also gain great popularity.

[Sithara007]

Yes, ICC should give equal importance to each team especially to improve the game. Relying only on revenue may lead to a serious crisis in cricket after a long time. Currently women's cricket has also received good praise in addition to men's cricket. If ICC focuses on the development of women's cricket as well as men's, then after a certain period of time women's cricket can also gain great popularity.

ICC and some of the Asian boards started giving importance to women's cricket only recently. Other sports bodies such as the FIH and FIFA were much ahead of them. Anyway, better late than never. Women's cricket will never be able to match the popularity and revenues from the men's game, but it is important in terms of acceptance from the governments and other global bodies such as the International Olympic Committee (IOC). At least now, we can say that the ICC is moving in the right direction, although they may be a few decades behind the other sports bodies.

[WatChe]

ICC and some of the Asian boards started giving importance to women's cricket only recently. Other sports bodies such as the FIH and FIFA were much ahead of them. Anyway, better late than never. Women's cricket will never be able to match the popularity and revenues from the men's game, but it is important in terms of acceptance from the governments and other global bodies such as the International Olympic Committee (IOC). At least now, we can say that the ICC is moving in the right direction, although they may be a few decades behind the other sports bodies.

In cricket only Australia, England and New Zealand were paying attention to there women team. Very recently we saw BCCI also joining in and promoting women cricket by launching Women IPL. Outside South Asia popularity of cricket is not very hight, so women cricket will take time before it attracts adequate viewership.
Meanwhile first ODI match of ACC Men's Premier Cup is in progress at Kirtipur, Nepal. Malaysia have given a target of 236 to Nepal. Nepal so far steady in run chase as they have scored 53 runs in 8 overs.

[Juggy777]

ICC and some of the Asian boards started giving importance to women's cricket only recently. Other sports bodies such as the FIH and FIFA were much ahead of them. Anyway, better late than never. Women's cricket will never be able to match the popularity and revenues from the men's game, but it is important in terms of acceptance from the governments and other global bodies such as the International Olympic Committee (IOC). At least now, we can say that the ICC is moving in the right direction, although they may be a few decades behind the other sports bodies.

In cricket only Australia, England and New Zealand were paying attention to there women team. Very recently we saw BCCI also joining in and promoting women cricket by launching Women IPL. Outside South Asia popularity of cricket is not very hight, so women cricket will take time before it attracts adequate viewership.

@WatChe ICC only listens to the big 4, and since all of them had a growing audience that wanted to watch more woman’s cricket they finally decided to step up their efforts for the same. @Sithra007 BCCI saw that there was a nice opportunity to milk money out of woman’s cricket and that’s why they finally launched WIPL, but it’ll take a very long time before WIPL generate revenues like IPL does.

[justdimin]

ICC and some of the Asian boards started giving importance to women's cricket only recently. Other sports bodies such as the FIH and FIFA were much ahead of them. Anyway, better late than never. Women's cricket will never be able to match the popularity and revenues from the men's game, but it is important in terms of acceptance from the governments and other global bodies such as the International Olympic Committee (IOC). At least now, we can say that the ICC is moving in the right direction, although they may be a few decades behind the other sports bodies.

In cricket only Australia, England and New Zealand were paying attention to there women team. Very recently we saw BCCI also joining in and promoting women cricket by launching Women IPL. Outside South Asia popularity of cricket is not very hight, so women cricket will take time before it attracts adequate viewership.
Meanwhile first ODI match of ACC Men's Premier Cup is in progress at Kirtipur, Nepal. Malaysia have given a target of 236 to Nepal. Nepal so far steady in run chase as they have scored 53 runs in 8 overs.

Recently we have good changes in sports with many countries are also developing these facilities for their women's because they understand this is also good way of making profit and many other advantages as well so after Big-3 now few more countries are bringing good improvement in quality and having leagues as well which will surely give experience and improvement in performance, even it's still not easy job with domestic restrictions and many other social difficulties.

But, as ICC is forcing for these things surely we will have better results and all countries will also encourage their domestic setup for having better sources and finances as well recently we have few teams from Thailand, Malaysia and Rwanda in women's world cup which is also big success for the game.

[Sithara007]

@WatChe ICC only listens to the big 4, and since all of them had a growing audience that wanted to watch more woman’s cricket they finally decided to step up their efforts for the same. @Sithra007 BCCI saw that there was a nice opportunity to milk money out of woman’s cricket and that’s why they finally launched WIPL, but it’ll take a very long time before WIPL generate revenues like IPL does.

Well.. the BCCI launched IPL back in 2008. They waited for one and half decades to launch the WPL. ECB, CA, CNZ and even the WICB were much ahead of them. And the BCCI was not much worried about the revenues. Their main concern was that WPL would take away some interest from the IPL. Anyway, finally they launched the WPL in 2023, and it was a grand success. The first edition showcased the depth of talent in this country. Hardly anyone knew about players such as Kiran Navgire, Saika Ishaque and Simran Shaikh before this tournament. Now they are famous all over India. 

[MusaPk]

Well.. the BCCI launched IPL back in 2008. They waited for one and half decades to launch the WPL. ECB, CA, CNZ and even the WICB were much ahead of them. And the BCCI was not much worried about the revenues. Their main concern was that WPL would take away some interest from the IPL. Anyway, finally they launched the WPL in 2023, and it was a grand success. The first edition showcased the depth of talent in this country. Hardly anyone knew about players such as Kiran Navgire, Saika Ishaque and Simran Shaikh before this tournament. Now they are famous all over India. 

Could you please share details of how much profit BCCI generated from WIPL? Seeing the participation of people in WIPL, I am sure the WIPL must be in profit. BCCI earns so much from IPL that they can bear WIPL in loss too.
With T20 leagues of women being launched in every country, we can say that finally women cricket is underway globally. There are even few T20 matches of women T20 in Pakistan where women cricketers from different countries participated.

[Sithara007]

Could you please share details of how much profit BCCI generated from WIPL? Seeing the participation of people in WIPL, I am sure the WIPL must be in profit. BCCI earns so much from IPL that they can bear WIPL in loss too.
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BCCI receives revenue from the WPL through multiple sources. A few of them are:

Franchise fees (10-year period): ₹4,669 crore (US$580 million)
TV broadcasting (5-year period): ₹951 crore (US$120 million)

Additionally, the BCCI receives payments for sponsorship and some other sectors. Revenues from ticket sales are given to the franchises. These numbers may look anormous. But compare to the numbers from the IPL, and you will notice how insignificant they are.

[crunck]

UAE vs Kuwait

I was checking the scoreboard of the UAE vs Kuwait match. The UAE team managed to set a huge target of 372 runs. Vriitya Arvind scored 185 runs off 147 balls and Rohan Mustafa scored 118 runs. Also, Asif Khan scored 30 runs off just 9 balls. Besides, no other batsman in the team can play well. The UAE squad has some great batsmen. This group is gradually getting stronger. The UAE team will win today very easily against Kuwait. My estimate today is that Kuwait will be able to collect around 200-220. UAE will win today by a big margin.

[JSRAW]

Could you please share details of how much profit BCCI generated from WIPL? Seeing the participation of people in WIPL, I am sure the WIPL must be in profit. BCCI earns so much from IPL that they can bear WIPL in loss too.
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BCCI receives revenue from the WPL through multiple sources. A few of them are:

Franchise fees (10-year period): ₹4,669 crore (US$580 million)
TV broadcasting (5-year period): ₹951 crore (US$120 million)

Additionally, the BCCI receives payments for sponsorship and some other sectors. Revenues from ticket sales are given to the franchises. These numbers may look anormous. But compare to the numbers from the IPL, and you will notice how insignificant they are.

I would add another major point.

If i am not wrong then for the first 5 years IPL revenue model is based on 80% (Franchises)-20% (BCCI) share so a major chunk will go towards the WIPL franchises except for a fixed amount of Franchise fees (which you mentioned).

[ThemePen]

UAE vs Kuwait

I was checking the scoreboard of the UAE vs Kuwait match. The UAE team managed to set a huge target of 372 runs. Vriitya Arvind scored 185 runs off 147 balls and Rohan Mustafa scored 118 runs. Also, Asif Khan scored 30 runs off just 9 balls. Besides, no other batsman in the team can play well. The UAE squad has some great batsmen. This group is gradually getting stronger. The UAE team will win today very easily against Kuwait. My estimate today is that Kuwait will be able to collect around 200-220. UAE will win today by a big margin.

Of course this is a big target. And UAE has the clear chances to win this match. If we will see the current situation of the match so the Kuwait team has already lost two wickets on 42 runs. If we talk about the run rate so the current run rate is quite impressive now. But the thing is that much they play fast much they lost more wickets. By the way UAE is looking strong in this match.

Edited:
Oops lost 4 wickets now.

[MusaPk]

BCCI receives revenue from the WPL through multiple sources. A few of them are:

Franchise fees (10-year period): ₹4,669 crore (US$580 million)
TV broadcasting (5-year period): ₹951 crore (US$120 million)

Additionally, the BCCI receives payments for sponsorship and some other sectors. Revenues from ticket sales are given to the franchises. These numbers may look anormous. But compare to the numbers from the IPL, and you will notice how insignificant they are.

I don't have figures for Men IPL so can't say how insignificant WIPL figures are. But the figures you are mentioned are quite huge and tells the story that WIPL is not in loss and it will continuously held like men IPL. BCCI has no doubt has taken crikcet to a level where money is raining.
Meanwhile 4 gulf countries are playing in Nepal. The game between UAE and Kuwait is very much in UAE favour. While the game between Oman and Qatar is competitive.

[laurenB7742]

UAE vs Kuwait

I was checking the scoreboard of the UAE vs Kuwait match. The UAE team managed to set a huge target of 372 runs. Vriitya Arvind scored 185 runs off 147 balls and Rohan Mustafa scored 118 runs. Also, Asif Khan scored 30 runs off just 9 balls. Besides, no other batsman in the team can play well. The UAE squad has some great batsmen. This group is gradually getting stronger. The UAE team will win today very easily against Kuwait. My estimate today is that Kuwait will be able to collect around 200-220. UAE will win today by a big margin.

Of course this is a big target. And UAE has the clear chances to win this match. If we will see the current situation of the match so the Kuwait team has already lost two wickets on 42 runs. If we talk about the run rate so the current run rate is quite impressive now. But the thing is that much they play fast much they lost more wickets. By the way UAE is looking strong in this match.
Edited:
Oops lost 4 wickets now.

The UAE team is gradually becoming quite strong. I think this group will become as strong as Afghanistan in the next few days. The UAE team has some very talented players. But regularly these players cannot play well. They lack experience. The UAE board should try to bring consistency in the performance of the team's players by appointing experienced coaches.

Kuwait lost 8 wickets and collected 162 runs. I would have been happy if UAE could have won by 200 runs today. As a result, the confidence of the players increased. But the probability is very low.

[Sithara007]

BCCI receives revenue from the WPL through multiple sources. A few of them are:

Franchise fees (10-year period): ₹4,669 crore (US$580 million)
TV broadcasting (5-year period): ₹951 crore (US$120 million)

Additionally, the BCCI receives payments for sponsorship and some other sectors. Revenues from ticket sales are given to the franchises. These numbers may look anormous. But compare to the numbers from the IPL, and you will notice how insignificant they are.

I would add another major point.

If i am not wrong then for the first 5 years IPL revenue model is based on 80% (Franchises)-20% (BCCI) share so a major chunk will go towards the WIPL franchises except for a fixed amount of Franchise fees (which you mentioned).

As far as I know, here the "revenues" mean TV broadcast fees and sponsorship. It doesn't include the franchise fees (if I am not wrong). Anyway, in the initial 3-4 seasons, none of the franchises are likely to break even. And the franchises who paid higher franchise fee (such as the Ahmedabad and Mumbai franchises) are likely to remain in red for several seasons. Revenues from the first season has exceeded all expectations. Each of the WPL franchises have earned ₹15 to ₹20 crore from sponsorships, and some ₹25 to ₹35 crore from the central revenue pool.

[rojan]

UAE vs Kuwait

In United Arab Emirates vs Kuwait match United Arab Emirates won by 143 runs. I thought Kuwait might lose by 50 runs but I didn't think that they will lose by 143 runs. Kuwait team batsmen were all out for 228 runs in 36.3 overs. Great performance by United Arab Emirates team.  Won the match very easily to do. I am very happy to enjoy the game.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

UAE vs Kuwait

In United Arab Emirates vs Kuwait match United Arab Emirates won by 143 runs. I thought Kuwait might lose by 50 runs but I didn't think that they will lose by 143 runs. Kuwait team batsmen were all out for 228 runs in 36.3 overs. Great performance by United Arab Emirates team.  Won the match very easily to do. I am very happy to enjoy the game.

Vriitya Aravind 185 runs and rohan mustafa 118 runs helps UAE in giving that big target 371 runs is wonderful batting  by them.
Kuwait can't compete such big target that was obvious so they lost the match.
UAE was wonderful today overall.

[JSRAW]

Franchise fees (10-year period): ₹4,669 crore (US$580 million)
TV broadcasting (5-year period): ₹951 crore (US$120 million)

I don't have figures for Men IPL so can't say how insignificant WIPL figures are. But the figures you are mentioned are quite huge and tells the story that WIPL is not in loss and it will continuously held like men IPL. BCCI has no doubt has taken crikcet to a level where money is raining.
Meanwhile 4 gulf countries are playing in Nepal. The game between UAE and Kuwait is very much in UAE favour. While the game between Oman and Qatar is competitive.

To give you overall context regarding the IPL pool.

5 years ( 2023-2027) Media rights of TV and Digital rights are sold for $6.2 Billion. They also sold 2 new teams for almost $2 Billion.

I would add another major point.

If i am not wrong then for the first 5 years IPL revenue model is based on 80% (Franchises)-20% (BCCI) share so a major chunk will go towards the WIPL franchises except for a fixed amount of Franchise fees (which you mentioned).

As far as I know, here the "revenues" mean TV broadcast fees and sponsorship. It doesn't include the franchise fees (if I am not wrong). Anyway, in the initial 3-4 seasons, none of the franchises are likely to break even. And the franchises who paid higher franchise fee (such as the Ahmedabad and Mumbai franchises) are likely to remain in red for several seasons. Revenues from the first season has exceeded all expectations. Each of the WPL franchises have earned ₹15 to ₹20 crore from sponsorships, and some ₹25 to ₹35 crore from the central revenue pool.

Yeah, that's my understanding as well.

Revenue was surely good for WPL but as far as I know, complete numbers are not public atm, maybe i missed their briefing.

[MusaPk]

To give you overall context regarding the IPL pool.

5 years ( 2023-2027) Media rights of TV and Digital rights are sold for $6.2 Billion. They also sold 2 new teams for almost $2 Billion.

If you have gone so far then do another favour and give some figures of ICC revenue also, so we all have an idea how mighty BCCI is when compared with another boards.

The UAE team is gradually becoming quite strong. I think this group will become as strong as Afghanistan in the next few days. The UAE team has some very talented players. But regularly these players cannot play well. They lack experience. The UAE board should try to bring consistency in the performance of the team's players by appointing experienced coaches.

Kuwait lost 8 wickets and collected 162 runs. I would have been happy if UAE could have won by 200 runs today. As a result, the confidence of the players increased. But the probability is very low.

UAE along with teams of Oman, Kuwait and Qatar are all made up of players of expats. There performance only depends on current players, they don't have long term plan since they don't have any domestic players. As far as I remember UAE was in 1996 world cup still they failed to produce any significant impact.

[romero121]

UAE vs Kuwait

In United Arab Emirates vs Kuwait match United Arab Emirates won by 143 runs. I thought Kuwait might lose by 50 runs but I didn't think that they will lose by 143 runs. Kuwait team batsmen were all out for 228 runs in 36.3 overs. Great performance by United Arab Emirates team.  Won the match very easily to do. I am very happy to enjoy the game.

Not much ODI played between the two teams. UAE is strong and the both teams have played good number of T20 matches. In that UAE leads and in ODI both the teams are equally strong and have good number of players and can be considered similar as both the teams were filled with players from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Kuwait lost all the wickets, more 81 balls left and they could've managed to score atleast 100 more runs if they haven't lost wickets. The next match is against Bahrain where Kuwait seems to be the favourite to win the match.

[Sithara007]

If you have gone so far then do another favour and give some figures of ICC revenue also, so we all have an idea how mighty BCCI is when compared with another boards.

ICC media rights (for 4 years, 2024-2027): $3.5 billion
IPL media rights (for 5 years, 2023-2027): $6.2 billion
WPL media rights (for 5 years, 2023-2027): $0.12 billion
Media rights for bilateral matches involving India (for 4 years, 2024-2027): Bidding process still on, winner to be declared shortly (for the last 5-year period from 2018-2023, Disney Star won the rights for $925 million. This time the amount will increase by manifold).

In short, BCCI revenues are manytimes of the ICC revenue. IPL rights itself are larger than the combined price of media rights sales from ICC and all the other national boards.