ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[laurenB7742]

The UAE team is gradually becoming quite strong. I think this group will become as strong as Afghanistan in the next few days. The UAE team has some very talented players. But regularly these players cannot play well. They lack experience. The UAE board should try to bring consistency in the performance of the team's players by appointing experienced coaches.
Kuwait lost 8 wickets and collected 162 runs. I would have been happy if UAE could have won by 200 runs today. As a result, the confidence of the players increased. But the probability is very low.

UAE along with teams of Oman, Kuwait and Qatar are all made up of players of expats. There performance only depends on current players, they don't have long term plan since they don't have any domestic players. As far as I remember UAE was in 1996 world cup still they failed to produce any significant impact.

I know the UAE squad lacks experienced players. And they have no long-term plans. Also, most of the players in their squad are expatriates of Indian, Pakistani, or Omani origin. But now the team is improving as it is. I think UAE will think about the future of their cricket. If they move forward with long-term planning, the team will become stronger in the future. They have proved that they have the capability. Now they need a world-class coach. Hope the UAE Board will take Khan Cricket very seriously

[BobK71]

The UAE team is gradually becoming quite strong. I think this group will become as strong as Afghanistan in the next few days. The UAE team has some very talented players. But regularly these players cannot play well. They lack experience. The UAE board should try to bring consistency in the performance of the team's players by appointing experienced coaches.
Kuwait lost 8 wickets and collected 162 runs. I would have been happy if UAE could have won by 200 runs today. As a result, the confidence of the players increased. But the probability is very low.

UAE along with teams of Oman, Kuwait and Qatar are all made up of players of expats. There performance only depends on current players, they don't have long term plan since they don't have any domestic players. As far as I remember UAE was in 1996 world cup still they failed to produce any significant impact.

I know the UAE squad lacks experienced players. And they have no long-term plans. Also, most of the players in their squad are expatriates of Indian, Pakistani, or Omani origin. But now the team is improving as it is. I think UAE will think about the future of their cricket. If they move forward with long-term planning, the team will become stronger in the future. They have proved that they have the capability. Now they need a world-class coach. Hope the UAE Board will take Khan Cricket very seriously

Since they are financially self-sufficient, any decision taken becomes very easy to implement. They may adopt such a plan in the coming days. They can offer the best coaches in the world. But I think they need to organize their team first and then if they are able to guided under a good coach they will progress quickly. I think in a short time UAE can become a country like Afghanistan cricket. However, it will not be easy for the UAE to get some of the prominent cricketers in the Afghanistan team. But they can improve significantly.

[Sithara007]

I know the UAE squad lacks experienced players. And they have no long-term plans. Also, most of the players in their squad are expatriates of Indian, Pakistani, or Omani origin. But now the team is improving as it is. I think UAE will think about the future of their cricket. If they move forward with long-term planning, the team will become stronger in the future. They have proved that they have the capability. Now they need a world-class coach. Hope the UAE Board will take Khan Cricket very seriously

LOL.. there are no players of "Omani" origin in the UAE team. The Oman national team itself never had a single player of Omani origin. All of the players in the UAE squad hold citizenship of either India or Pakistan and are residing in the UAE on tourist or work visa. UAE government doesn't care much about cricket, but they are happy that ICC is based in that country and with each passing year they receive an increasing share of the ICC revenues. They have no plans to spread cricket to the natives and it will forever remain as an expat sport.

[JSRAW]

To give you overall context regarding the IPL pool.

5 years ( 2023-2027) Media rights of TV and Digital rights are sold for $6.2 Billion. They also sold 2 new teams for almost $2 Billion.

If you have gone so far then do another favour and give some figures of ICC revenue also, so we all have an idea how mighty BCCI is when compared with another boards.

@Sithara007 provided the main pointers so that should be enough for overall comparison but if we roughly crunch numbers from BCCI's perspective then I'll try to break it out.

Atm Men's IPL revenue model is based on 50-50 for BCCI and all franchises. So BCCI's share for 5 years is $3.1 Billion, which is a little above $600 Million every year.

Then there are "flagship central sponsorships" contracts (Main title sponsors like TATA, VIVO etc) it's also based on 50%-50%. Numbers are not public for the recent deal (Tata) but if we go by the last sponsor (VIVO) then their contract was worth around $200-$300 Million for 5 years (Depending on exchange rates).

Apart from that they get a 15% share from the Gate money, and the rest of 85% goes to franchises. The average gate money should be around $1.5-2.5 Million dollars easily for every match and this IPL has 70 Matches.

[pakhitheboss]

@Sithara007 provided the main pointers so that should be enough for overall comparison but if we roughly crunch numbers from BCCI's perspective then I'll try to break it out.

Atm Men's IPL revenue model is based on 50-50 for BCCI and all franchises. So BCCI's share for 5 years is $3.1 Billion, which is a little above $600 Million every year.

Then there are "flagship central sponsorships" contracts (Main title sponsors like TATA, VIVO etc) it's also based on 50%-50%. Numbers are not public for the recent deal (Tata) but if we go by the last sponsor (VIVO) then their contract was worth around $200-$300 Million for 5 years (Depending on exchange rates).

Apart from that they get a 15% share from the Gate money, and the rest of 85% goes to franchises. The average gate money should be around $1.5-2.5 Million dollars easily for every match and this IPL has 70 Matches.

All of this revenue might go down if Saudi Arabia is able to start thier own cricket league with or without the help of BCCI. At first BCCI had straight away said no Indian players will be allowed to participate now it seems they might allow.

If Indian players are not allowed to participate in the extremely cash rich Saudi league still they would get other players and BCCI might lose most of the foreign players this why BCCI might agree in sending the Indian players. They also might buy some stakes in that league.

This is what I am hearing on multiple social media channels. What do you think?

[Sithara007]

All of this revenue might go down if Saudi Arabia is able to start thier own cricket league with or without the help of BCCI. At first BCCI had straight away said no Indian players will be allowed to participate now it seems they might allow.

If Indian players are not allowed to participate in the extremely cash rich Saudi league still they would get other players and BCCI might lose most of the foreign players this why BCCI might agree in sending the Indian players. They also might buy some stakes in that league.

This is what I am hearing on multiple social media channels. What do you think?

I don't think that the BCCI will allow Indian players to participate in the Saudi league. If they do so, then their own league (Indian Premier League) would be under threat. And the international calendar is already jam packed. The BCCI wants to have a 3 month window for the IPL. From where they are going to create space for the Saudi league? BCCI may be interested only in case they get the lions share of the revenues. Since there is no income tax in Saudi Arabia, it is beneficial for the BCCI to host tournaments there. But then why should the Saudi Arabian Cricket Federation forfeit the control of their league to the BCCI?

[MusaPk]

ICC media rights (for 4 years, 2024-2027): $3.5 billion
IPL media rights (for 5 years, 2023-2027): $6.2 billion
WPL media rights (for 5 years, 2023-2027): $0.12 billion
Media rights for bilateral matches involving India (for 4 years, 2024-2027): Bidding process still on, winner to be declared shortly (for the last 5-year period from 2018-2023, Disney Star won the rights for $925 million. This time the amount will increase by manifold).

In short, BCCI revenues are manytimes of the ICC revenue. IPL rights itself are larger than the combined price of media rights sales from ICC and all the other national boards.

@Sithara007 provided the main pointers so that should be enough for overall comparison but if we roughly crunch numbers from BCCI's perspective then I'll try to break it out.

Atm Men's IPL revenue model is based on 50-50 for BCCI and all franchises. So BCCI's share for 5 years is $3.1 Billion, which is a little above $600 Million every year.

Then there are "flagship central sponsorships" contracts (Main title sponsors like TATA, VIVO etc) it's also based on 50%-50%. Numbers are not public for the recent deal (Tata) but if we go by the last sponsor (VIVO) then their contract was worth around $200-$300 Million for 5 years (Depending on exchange rates).

Apart from that they get a 15% share from the Gate money, and the rest of 85% goes to franchises. The average gate money should be around $1.5-2.5 Million dollars easily for every match and this IPL has 70 Matches.

I just know that BCCI generates lots of revenue but have no idea about how much BCCI generates in terms of figures. Thanks for giving these figures they are enough to understand where BCCI stands among all cricket nations. I don't think any league big bash or The Hundred generates anyway near to what IPL is generating. This also gives BCCI absolute powers in ICC and there is no way ICC can go against BCCI.

[JSRAW]

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All of this revenue might go down if Saudi Arabia is able to start thier own cricket league with or without the help of BCCI. At first BCCI had straight away said no Indian players will be allowed to participate now it seems they might allow.

If Indian players are not allowed to participate in the extremely cash rich Saudi league still they would get other players and BCCI might lose most of the foreign players this why BCCI might agree in sending the Indian players. They also might buy some stakes in that league.

This is what I am hearing on multiple social media channels. What do you think?

I highly doubt that.

Saudis are rich but in cricket, BCCI is the elephant in the room and without their blessing, the Saudi cricket board (if there is a thing) can't do much because India generates eyeballs and economic indicators are only going to improve in upcoming years. Right now India and SA are on excellent terms and the latter has a "Long" position on the former so I don't see them hurting BCCI's interest.

But let's talk hypothetically if by any chance they do start the richest league which is competing against IPL. Players are getting multi-million contracts every year, financially it's good for players so I am all for it but sustainability would be an epic challenge if you don't have an audience and we have heard this story so many times. A recent example is the WC media rights auction.

I can see one possibility where BCCI and Saudi Cricket comes together and go with the joint venture but for this to happen bilateral cricket need to die for sure because the schedule is packed. In this case, BCCI could allow Indian players and it's directly related to the Indian market.

[pakhitheboss]

But let's talk hypothetically if by any chance they do start the richest league which is competing against IPL. Players are getting multi-million contracts every year, financially it's good for players so I am all for it but sustainability would be an epic challenge if you don't have an audience and we have heard this story so many times. A recent example is the WC media rights auction.

I can see one possibility where BCCI and Saudi Cricket comes together and go with the joint venture but for this to happen bilateral cricket need to die for sure because the schedule is packed. In this case, BCCI could allow Indian players and it's directly related to the Indian market.

Hypothetically everything is possible! In my opinion BCCI should not take them for granted. The Indian government would surely push BCCI to allow Indian players play in that league. Considering the amount of positive gesture the Saud family has done for India in the past. 

That is what I said they both will form a joint venture and Indian crickters would play in that League for the first time. Forget about bilateral series those don't generate any revenue for ICC, I would say yes to whatever BCCI wants if BCCI gives me something in return. That is what you can expect, otherwise BCCI has that option of leaving ICC and start its own governance in cricket. I would like that to happen.

This invitation is very big and I don't think BCCI can go against it. After all Jay Shah is the controlling the board. I believe this collaboration might become a huge revenue generator for BCCI.

[Ayers]

But let's talk hypothetically if by any chance they do start the richest league which is competing against IPL. Players are getting multi-million contracts every year, financially it's good for players so I am all for it but sustainability would be an epic challenge if you don't have an audience and we have heard this story so many times. A recent example is the WC media rights auction.

I can see one possibility where BCCI and Saudi Cricket comes together and go with the joint venture but for this to happen bilateral cricket need to die for sure because the schedule is packed. In this case, BCCI could allow Indian players and it's directly related to the Indian market.

Hypothetically everything is possible! In my opinion BCCI should not take them for granted. The Indian government would surely push BCCI to allow Indian players play in that league. Considering the amount of positive gesture the Saud family has done for India in the past. 

That is what I said they both will form a joint venture and Indian crickters would play in that League for the first time. Forget about bilateral series those don't generate any revenue for ICC, I would say yes to whatever BCCI wants if BCCI gives me something in return. That is what you can expect, otherwise BCCI has that option of leaving ICC and start its own governance in cricket. I would like that to happen.
This invitation is very big and I don't think BCCI can go against it. After all Jay Shah is the controlling the board. I believe this collaboration might become a huge revenue generator for BCCI.

The BCCI will surely send their players wherever they see a profit. And I am quite sure that if Indian players take part in the Saudi cricket league, they are surely going to be paid a lot of money. But one problem is, BCCI will surely not want to send their players to a league that is saying that they are going to be bigger than IPL. At least that’s what I think. I believe if the BCCI wants their player to have a good amount of money, they are going to send the players. But if they want IPL to be the best, even after the Saudi league, they will not send the players.

[mm2543363580]

But let's talk hypothetically if by any chance they do start the richest league which is competing against IPL. Players are getting multi-million contracts every year, financially it's good for players so I am all for it but sustainability would be an epic challenge if you don't have an audience and we have heard this story so many times. A recent example is the WC media rights auction.

I can see one possibility where BCCI and Saudi Cricket comes together and go with the joint venture but for this to happen bilateral cricket need to die for sure because the schedule is packed. In this case, BCCI could allow Indian players and it's directly related to the Indian market.

Hypothetically everything is possible! In my opinion BCCI should not take them for granted. The Indian government would surely push BCCI to allow Indian players play in that league. Considering the amount of positive gesture the Saud family has done for India in the past. 

That is what I said they both will form a joint venture and Indian crickters would play in that League for the first time. Forget about bilateral series those don't generate any revenue for ICC, I would say yes to whatever BCCI wants if BCCI gives me something in return. That is what you can expect, otherwise BCCI has that option of leaving ICC and start its own governance in cricket. I would like that to happen.
This invitation is very big and I don't think BCCI can go against it. After all Jay Shah is the controlling the board. I believe this collaboration might become a huge revenue generator for BCCI.

The BCCI will surely send their players wherever they see a profit. And I am quite sure that if Indian players take part in the Saudi cricket league, they are surely going to be paid a lot of money. But one problem is, BCCI will surely not want to send their players to a league that is saying that they are going to be bigger than IPL. At least that’s what I think. I believe if the BCCI wants their player to have a good amount of money, they are going to send the players. But if they want IPL to be the best, even after the Saudi league, they will not send the players.

Saudi league is very new and comparing them with IPL is really childish and foolish as IPL is the top league in the cricket world and they have reached there in many years with their hard work .
Giving such statement at start is not good as smooth relations are important for running any new league.

[romero121]

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Saudi league is very new and comparing them with IPL is really childish and foolish as IPL is the top league in the cricket world and they have reached there in many years with their hard work .
Giving such statement at start is not good as smooth relations are important for running any new league.

Nothing complex, to my understanding Saudi Arabia needs more people to visit their country. In the past the country was completely connected with traditional activities. Now it want things to be modernised that could make more people visit the country. The country is planning to have different streams of income apart from the oil. Earlier the country used to be more friendly with USA, and now the country want to be independent. So, different steps have been taken. One of which is the cricket league.

[Sithara007]

Nothing complex, to my understanding Saudi Arabia needs more people to visit their country. In the past the country was completely connected with traditional activities. Now it want things to be modernised that could make more people visit the country. The country is planning to have different streams of income apart from the oil. Earlier the country used to be more friendly with USA, and now the country want to be independent. So, different steps have been taken. One of which is the cricket league.

Cricket is a sport that is restricted to South Asia. Popularity outside the South Asian community has been declining continuously over the past few decades. Given this, I am not sure whether Saudi Arabia would be much interested in establishing a cricket league and spending tons of money on it. I know that they are trying really hard to get the hosting rights for the 2030 FIFA World Cup. And they have hosted a few high profile boxing matches recently. The LIV Golf tournament is also getting popular. It needs to be seen how much importance they give to cricket, given the fact that none of the natives are interested in it.

[pakhitheboss]

Cricket is a sport that is restricted to South Asia. Popularity outside the South Asian community has been declining continuously over the past few decades. Given this, I am not sure whether Saudi Arabia would be much interested in establishing a cricket league and spending tons of money on it. I know that they are trying really hard to get the hosting rights for the 2030 FIFA World Cup. And they have hosted a few high profile boxing matches recently. The LIV Golf tournament is also getting popular. It needs to be seen how much importance they give to cricket, given the fact that none of the natives are interested in it.

By the end of June India would be officially the most populated country in the world. The 5th most populated country in the world is Pakistan. Considering these two countries are crazy about Cricket and have the highest number of expat community in the middle east Saudi Arab is trying to cash cricket with its own league.

In order to achieve its objective it needs the biggest cricket league brand and the richest cricketing board owning that brand's help. Undoubtedly they have money but zero understanding about cricket and zero muscles in ICC. What they have offered to BCCI will destroy IPL but would make India look good in the middle east.

This is a very tricky situation. I am sure BCCI would come up with something that favours both.

[laurenB7742]

I know the UAE squad lacks experienced players. And they have no long-term plans. Also, most of the players in their squad are expatriates of Indian, Pakistani, or Omani origin. But now the team is improving as it is. I think UAE will think about the future of their cricket. If they move forward with long-term planning, the team will become stronger in the future. They have proved that they have the capability. Now they need a world-class coach. Hope the UAE Board will take Khan Cricket very seriously

LOL.. there are no players of "Omani" origin in the UAE team. The Oman national team itself never had a single player of Omani origin. All of the players in the UAE squad hold citizenship of either India or Pakistan and are residing in the UAE on tourist or work visa. UAE government doesn't care much about cricket, but they are happy that ICC is based in that country and with each passing year they receive an increasing share of the ICC revenues. They have no plans to spread cricket to the natives and it will forever remain as an expat sport.

There are probably no players of Omani origin in the UAE team. I say this to understand that the players in the UAE team are mostly foreigners.
But there is no denying that UAE cricket is improving. This group is now quite strong. I think the UAE government will give importance to cricket. Because the government of UAE is giving a lot of importance to the construction sector. And holding various cricket series in UAE will further boost their tourism industry. Because of this, maybe the UAE government will take appropriate steps to improve cricket in the future.

[ThemePen]

Thailan(W) vs Zimbabwe(W)

These two teams played the second ODI. Thailand women team won the match. Thailand women team made 217 runs. And Zimbabwe women team tried very well. They made 169 runs in 50 overs and gave 9 wickets. And from both teams only one woman made 50+ runs. Natthakan Chantham who made 54 runs in this match. Thailand played really well in this match.

[WatChe]

Nepal vs Oman

Nepal lost both openers for zero and still they manage to give a target of 310. I am just getting a feeling that Nepal will be new Afghanistan like team. Kushal Malla score 108 runs on just 64 balls along with Sompal Kami who scored 63 runs on 48 balls. In reply Oman batting was not upto the mark. Only two players Nadeem and Sandeep scored runs. Now Nepal is at number one position in his group after winning both of its games.

[rojan]

Nepal vs Oman

Nepal lost both openers for zero and still they manage to give a target of 310. I am just getting a feeling that Nepal will be new Afghanistan like team. Kushal Malla score 108 runs on just 64 balls along with Sompal Kami who scored 63 runs on 48 balls. In reply Oman batting was not upto the mark. Only two players Nadeem and Sandeep scored runs. Now Nepal is at number one position in his group after winning both of its games.

Nepal vs Oman
 In the game between these two teams, Nepal batted first and scored 310 runs. Nepal batsmen managed to score so many runs to perform very well in the match.  I thought that Nepal will not be able to score more runs in this match. But the bowlers of the Oman team could not put much pressure on the batsmen of the Nepal team. Because of which Nepal has easily scored so many runs in this match. Nepal won by 84 runs. Congratulations for winning the match. 

[coinerer]

Nepal vs Oman

Nepal lost both openers for zero and still they manage to give a target of 310. I am just getting a feeling that Nepal will be new Afghanistan like team. Kushal Malla score 108 runs on just 64 balls along with Sompal Kami who scored 63 runs on 48 balls. In reply Oman batting was not upto the mark. Only two players Nadeem and Sandeep scored runs. Now Nepal is at number one position in his group after winning both of its games.

Nepal vs Oman
 In the game between these two teams, Nepal batted first and scored 310 runs. Nepal batsmen managed to score so many runs to perform very well in the match.  I thought that Nepal will not be able to score more runs in this match. But the bowlers of the Oman team could not put much pressure on the batsmen of the Nepal team. Because of which Nepal has easily scored so many runs in this match. Nepal won by 84 runs. Congratulations for winning the match. 

Nepal's game was very good and they won by a huge margin. but it was very funny and disappointing that Nepal's opening two players K. Bhurtel and A. Sheikh could not score any runs despite playing 8 and 10 balls in total of 18 balls. But K. Malla, S. kami and K. khatri-chhetri collected very good runs.  And I think they deserve more credit. However, all in all 310 runs was a very good score. their other side Oman scored only 226 runs and Nepal won by 84 runs

[cozytrade]

Nepal vs Oman

Nepal lost both openers for zero and still they manage to give a target of 310. I am just getting a feeling that Nepal will be new Afghanistan like team. Kushal Malla score 108 runs on just 64 balls along with Sompal Kami who scored 63 runs on 48 balls. In reply Oman batting was not upto the mark. Only two players Nadeem and Sandeep scored runs. Now Nepal is at number one position in his group after winning both of its games.

Nepal vs Oman
 In the game between these two teams, Nepal batted first and scored 310 runs. Nepal batsmen managed to score so many runs to perform very well in the match.  I thought that Nepal will not be able to score more runs in this match. But the bowlers of the Oman team could not put much pressure on the batsmen of the Nepal team. Because of which Nepal has easily scored so many runs in this match. Nepal won by 84 runs. Congratulations for winning the match. 

Nepal's game was very good and they won by a huge margin. but it was very funny and disappointing that Nepal's opening two players K. Bhurtel and A. Sheikh could not score any runs despite playing 8 and 10 balls in total of 18 balls. But K. Malla, S. kami and K. khatri-chhetri collected very good runs.  And I think they deserve more credit. However, all in all 310 runs was a very good score. their other side Oman scored only 226 runs and Nepal won by 84 runs

Nepal team batsman Kushal Bhurtel got out for 0 runs in 8 balls. Aasif Sheikh got out for 0 runs in 10 balls. After getting out for 0 runs, two batsmen of Nepal team gave a target of 310 runs. If these two batsmen could have scored some runs then Nepal team batsmen  Ayaan Khan of Oman team bowled 5 overs and took 2 wickets with 46 runs. The game between Nepal and Oman was really amazing. The quality of play of the Oman team players was very poor due to which the performance in the match was so bad.