Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[Balthazar]

326 pages of kremlin paid bullshit. Nice!
Do you guys really think someone else
except yourself still reads this topic or
takes anything you write seriously?

have a nice day  

Did you register here just to tell us to have a nice day?

Absense of argumentation combined with projections, my conclusion is quite simple... We've just got another butthurt message of love from the Lviv. What a pathetic sheeple, I really feel sorry for them.

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[galdur]

This "colonel" I mentioned was in mob media there before christmas gloating about how they were terrorizing civilians to demonstrate that the militants weren´t capable of  defending them. And this was supposed to make the populace flock over to Kiev´s bosom. This is what I mean by replacing decent soldiers with psychotic junk. You´ll find it back here in the thread. NYT or LA Times can´t recall.

[galdur]

Op-Ed Kiev's brutal strategy in eastern Ukraine Jan 2 2015


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Unfortunately, recent statements by Col. Oleksiy Nozdrachov, Ukraine's chief of military and civilian cooperation in eastern Ukraine, show disturbing signs of Kiev's attitude toward this crisis. Where the U.N. sees a looming humanitarian disaster, Kiev may see an opportunity.

Kiev's strategy, as outlined by Nozdrachov in USA Today, is to continue withholding government services from the rebel-held areas in hopes that increased suffering will turn the local population against the separatists. “This shows the population in the occupied territory that the situation under the Ukrainian government is much, much better,” Nozdrachov said. In addition, an Amnesty International report posted Dec. 24 said pro-Kiev “volunteer battalions are increasingly blocking humanitarian aid into eastern Ukraine in a move which will exacerbate a pending humanitarian crisis.”

These actions are reprehensible. Kiev, and most of the world, rightly views the petty warlords in control of Donbas as illegitimate entities. However, if a gunman takes over an office building, no police department in the United States would condone withholding basic necessities from the hostages in the hope that they would rise up and vanquish the perpetrator. Providing aid to civilians trapped in a standoff is not appeasement or negotiation with terrorists; it is a fundamental principle: preventing needless loss of life.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-golinkin-ukraine-humanitarian-crisis-20150102-story.html

[Nemo1024]

Another troll? Help, we have an infestation!

A "federal subject"? Good one

"Federal subject" is the legal term. New York is a federal subject of USA.

This is exactly how Russians feel about these republics, that were formed in the lands of their former Union "our subjects, our land" and Putin in his imperial vision would gladly bring these strays back in his arms.

Aha, insert standard defamation here.

I see a lot of angry Russians in this thread. You shouldn't be ashamed, you have such a beautiful history of shooting unarmed prisoners in the back of the head (1940), just like ISIS is doing now.

It wasn't about unarmed prisoners, but about deserters.
Enacted by Djugashivi/Stalin - a Georgian.
And now this practice is encated by law in modern Ukraine.
PoWs in USSR got better rations than the Soviet citizens. Get your history strait - historical accuracy is not optional thing to serve your needs.

[galdur]

So I´m a Russian now ? Okay, so be it,  I don´t really have any objection  

Now for a name. The first one that pops up is Aleksander Aleksandrov. Comrade Aleksandrov. Think I´ll stick with that.

[Balthazar]

So I´m a Russian now ? Okay, so be it,  I don´t really have any objection  

Did you prayed for Putin's blessing today?

[MichaelBliss]

I see a lot of angry Russians in this thread. You shouldn't be ashamed, you have such a beautiful history of shooting unarmed prisoners in the back of the head (1940), just like ISIS is doing now.

It wasn't about unarmed prisoners, but about deserters.
Enacted by Djugashivi/Stalin - a Georgian.
And now this practice is encated by law in modern Ukraine.
PoWs in USSR got better rations than the Soviet citizens. Get your history strait - historical accuracy is not optional thing to serve your needs.

I'm on your side of the argument but I have to point out he could be referring to the Katyn massacre by the NKVD, where thousands of the most educated Poles - officers, doctors, etc. - were rounded up, and executed many with a bullet to the back of the head.  (Although I believe, many more were put out on barges then sunk).

The Soviets blamed this crime on the Germans for decades, and many Poles have not forgiven "Russia" for this national catastrophe.   Nor has Russia properly apologized or taken responsibly for this, or any of their atrocities against Poland in WWII.    Just trying to shed some light on Poland's seemingly pro-banderite stance, but not justify it in any way.

[galdur]

So I´m a Russian now ? Okay, so be it,  I don´t really have any objection 

Did you prayed for Putin's blessing today?

I think well of comrade Vladimir all the time.

[Balthazar]

I see a lot of angry Russians in this thread.

Not angry but tired of the relentless commentary by believers who seem to believe that their heaven will be a better place if we'll there too. In other words, tired of global stupidity.

You're welcome.

[galdur]

Well, I´m always pissed at the mob obviously and have been for years and years and when it gets in bed with nazis the disastrous results just have me friggin fuming. Some others may shrug and not give a damn and also do it next time and the next and so on. That´s their business.

[galdur]

Hmm, somehow that writing style and syntax doesn´t look very much like coming from a Russian. Need to practice.

[galdur]

It sure is a useful weapon when you have thousands of troops trapped.

This claptrap looks just so pathetic:


Coming winter is a weapon of war in east Ukraine

USA TODAY 2:55 p.m. EST December 21, 2014

A deteriorating humanitarian situation amid the hardship of an approaching winter in east Ukraine is giving the Ukrainian national government an opening to turn the local population against Russian-backed separatists.

The government of Ukraine is restoring pensions, salaries and other government services in areas it recaptured from separatists last summer, while cutting off regions still under separatist control, Col. Oleksiy Nozdrachov, Ukraine's chief of military and civilian cooperation in the Donbass region, told USA TODAY.

The result of that hardball tactic: a rise in suffering in separatist-held areas that has turned people against the rebels, as the national government had hoped. Nozdrachov said during a visit to Washington that there have been protests against rebel leaders in a number of cities, and separatist militias were expelled from at least one village.

Residents in those areas "have dialogue with colleagues and relatives in other areas of Ukraine," Nozdrachov said. "They see the old territories liberated by Ukrainian forces now are coming back under normal life."

Workers in those areas are receiving salaries and pensions, stores are full of goods, and there are no armed gangs on the streets, he said. "This shows the population in occupied territory that the situation under the Ukrainian government is much, much better."

The national government has cut off the separatist economy from Ukraine's financial system, government subsidies and health and educational benefits to "apply economic pressure against the rebels and incite locals to rebel," said Janusz Bugajski, an analyst at the Center for European Policy Analysis, a Washington think tank.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/12/21/humanitarian-crisis-risk-opportunity-east-ukraine/20495301/

[Souldream]

I'm on your side of the argument but I have to point out he could be referring to the Katyn massacre by the NKVD, where thousands of the most educated Poles - officers, doctors, etc. - were rounded up, and executed many with a bullet to the back of the head.  (Although I believe, many more were put out on barges then sunk).

The Soviets blamed this crime on the Germans for decades, and many Poles have not forgiven "Russia" for this national catastrophe.   Nor has Russia properly apologized or taken responsibly for this, or any of their atrocities against Poland in WWII.    Just trying to shed some light on Poland's seemingly pro-banderite stance, but not justify it in any way.

So true but you must know that Russian like to re-write the story ...

1 ) Katyn ??
2 ) Korean plane shooted down ??
3 ) Ribbentrop- Molotov ??

All the time they lie during decade ... to hide the truth. This is basic game for them.

Anyway let's joke

So true !

[galdur]

Speaking of currencies check out this train wreck

[skinbrake]

I love to see that! Too bad most Ukrainians don't understand what that means.
Ukraine can't just wait for the price of oil to go up.

[tee-rex]

I see a lot of angry Russians in this thread. You shouldn't be ashamed, you have such a beautiful history of shooting unarmed prisoners in the back of the head (1940), just like ISIS is doing now.

It wasn't about unarmed prisoners, but about deserters.
Enacted by Djugashivi/Stalin - a Georgian.
And now this practice is encated by law in modern Ukraine.
PoWs in USSR got better rations than the Soviet citizens. Get your history strait - historical accuracy is not optional thing to serve your needs.

I'm on your side of the argument but I have to point out he could be referring to the Katyn massacre by the NKVD, where thousands of the most educated Poles - officers, doctors, etc. - were rounded up, and executed many with a bullet to the back of the head.  (Although I believe, many more were put out on barges then sunk).

The Soviets blamed this crime on the Germans for decades, and many Poles have not forgiven "Russia" for this national catastrophe.   Nor has Russia properly apologized or taken responsibly for this, or any of their atrocities against Poland in WWII.    Just trying to shed some light on Poland's seemingly pro-banderite stance, but not justify it in any way.

Sorry, but it cuts both ways. The Poles also love to lay themselves out on the Battle of Praga in 1794 that was followed by a massacre of the civilian population by Alexander Suvorov's troops. But they forget to mention the slaughter of over half of the Russian garrison in Warsaw a few months earlier, when about 2,000 Russian soldiers had been mercilessly killed. You may ask what the hell the Russian troops were doing in Warsaw back then? This is a good question, but then I may well ask you what the Poles were doing in Moscow in 1612?

[Nemo1024]

I see a lot of angry Russians in this thread. You shouldn't be ashamed, you have such a beautiful history of shooting unarmed prisoners in the back of the head (1940), just like ISIS is doing now.

It wasn't about unarmed prisoners, but about deserters.
Enacted by Djugashivi/Stalin - a Georgian.
And now this practice is encated by law in modern Ukraine.
PoWs in USSR got better rations than the Soviet citizens. Get your history strait - historical accuracy is not optional thing to serve your needs.

I'm on your side of the argument but I have to point out he could be referring to the Katyn massacre by the NKVD, where thousands of the most educated Poles - officers, doctors, etc. - were rounded up, and executed many with a bullet to the back of the head.  (Although I believe, many more were put out on barges then sunk).

The Soviets blamed this crime on the Germans for decades, and many Poles have not forgiven "Russia" for this national catastrophe.   Nor has Russia properly apologized or taken responsibly for this, or any of their atrocities against Poland in WWII.    Just trying to shed some light on Poland's seemingly pro-banderite stance, but not justify it in any way.

That's the thing. Both Soviet Union, and then Russia acknowledged Katyn. Yeltsin apologised for it. How many apologies are needed? Alas, the latest commemoration that was to be held for the victims of Katyn was mired by a plane crash with the Polish president on board, and in rather strange circumstances.

Here's some chronology:
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1354497

Katyn massacre happened on Stalin's orders, so isn't Georgia also part-responsible... Just thinking out loud.

Now what about Volyn massacre: should Ukrainians or, again, Russians apologise for it.

[Nemo1024]

Now, let's see what we have in Novorossia so far today.
The peace is barely holding, but I am not optimistic.

DNR was shelled 74 times today, mostly around Debalcevo.
Head of DNR, Zaharchenko, visited Debalcevo today, where he was wounded in the foot. He is now in Lugansk hospital.
DNR army is preparing to pull heavy artillery from the contact line.
LNR army has already started pulling out their artillery in accordance with Minsk accord.
Kiev is not pulling out according to latest reports, on the contrary, they bring more artillery closer to Debalcevo.

And in Hungary, Putin explained to the press the fine points of the Minsk accord and his hopes that it will hold.
By the way, Hungary and Russia just had a mutually-beneficial deal of the century.

[galdur]

Full-time: Shakhtar Donetsk 0-0 Bayern Munich

[Nemo1024]

If this Pornoshenko guy lasts out this month it´ll be a miracle. Since he is a total puppet of the mob you can just imagine the pile of garbage he has around him, domestic and foreign. I´m sure the U.S. Embassy has a helicopter at the ready on the roof to ship junk out quickly. All this pile of crap has led the Ukraininian military from one disaster to the next and I´m pretty sure that patience is about to run out there. Maybe he´ll end up with an AK-47 up his butt. Stay tuned.

galdur, you might be closer to the mark in the comment above, than you even suspect!

Intel: US Mini-Nukes Delivered to Ukraine; Poroshenko’s Family Urgently Leaves the Country
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/02/17/intel-us-mini-nukes-delivered-to-ukraine-poroshenkos-family-urgently-leaves-the-country/

The latest breaking news from Ukraine:

1. The family of Ukraine president Poroshenko has urgently left the country via a charter flight. This means that the situation in the country is much more unstable than is being portrayed, and the true extent of turmoil is being underplayed. It also means that Poroshenko knows that he may be unseated any moment and has negotiated an asylum for his family with his handlers in the West as part of the Minsk agreement. Instead of flying straight back to Kiev after Minsk, Poroshenko actually went to Brussels first where he had undisclosed conversations with EU politicians, including Merkel and Hollande. Undoubtedly, this is where the asylum was negotiated.

...

2. Ukraine sources are reporting that since the population is sabotaging the mobilization, Kiev junta is now conducting a forced mobilization. The military board a city bus and tell women to leave, while all the men who remain on the bus get herded into trucks and sent to the front. People from Zaporozhie (in central Ukraine, one of the cities that wants to join Novorossia) report that national guard breaks into people’s homes and forcefully hauls off the males into the army.

All this is happening after Minsk peace agreements have been signed and as ceasefire is supposed to be in effect in Donbass. Meanwhile, Donbass reports that there is no ceasefire and that Kiev army is consolidating its forces and attacking the positions of self-defence. They have again attempted to take the Donetsk Airport, which, according to Minsk accords, is supposed to be part of the DNR territory.

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3. German sources report that US military advisors in Ukraine have been busy. According to German intelligence, Americans were able to bring onto the territory of the Debaltsevo cauldron a ‘suitcase’ nuke. It appears US has nothing left to lose after Germany and France broke the ranks and sat down for peace talks with Russia.

...

The potential false flag involving a mini-nuke inside the Debaltsevo cauldron is supposed to be blamed on Russia. Therefore, Russia gets again painted as a villain that detonates nukes in poor Ukraine. This may result in more EU sanctions and in US delivering those lethal weapons they had been threatening to send.