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July 29, 2014, 09:27:21 PM
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Yes, I will get my July sp30 in the next days.

I am obviously not immune in my desire to speculate, as any naturally curious person isn´t.

OK, then. We can make a poll as to what TH Sp-30 will be at:
In my opinion 4-4.5Th. If it is at 3-3.5 th-then it is a shocker.

Hit the top value of my range. Not bad at all.
3kw-they probably had to scramble for a new PSU (1600W).
0.67W/Gh-slightly better than S3, slightly worse than KnC

Same PSUs. 1200W is the input. It can goes up to 1350W input. At the wall it's 1500W per PSU
When downclocking the efficiency is sub 0.55 W/GHs
With October batch, the efficiency will be sub 0.55 W/GHs without downclocking

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I am not a EE, so you lost me there a bit.
Anyway, 1500W at the wall means that typical 15A NA circuits are not usable (current of 13.6A which is higher than 12A rating), have to use 20A/110V or 220/240V.
Not a tragedy.
EEs please comment on how a 1200W supply can provide the 1500W of power.
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July 29, 2014, 09:28:12 PM
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Great news Guy.
You and your team do great work.
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Dear Customers,

After a close inspection of the first ASICs, I'm pleased to announce that the ASICs are fully functional.  Made from industrial grade, sophisticated hardware, the SP30 is now the best mining rig available in the market.

For units produced up to and including September, the SP30's hash rate will be 4.5TH/s +- 5%. Power consumption will be 3KW at the wall.

With additional tuning of the production process for October and onwards, we expect future SP30s to deliver a hash-rate of 5.5 +- 5%, with power consumption of 3KW at the wall.

For customers who have already placed orders and are awaiting delivery, our priority is to ensure on-time delivery of your machines so you can immediately start seeing ROI. I am therefore very pleased to report that we will meet our original delivery schedule and provide all customers with on-time delivery.

For customers receiving units before October, we will adjust the price of your machines consistent with the 4.5TH/s +- 5% hash rate. Compensation will be based on preserving the $/GH ratio of the original deal. Starting in October, we will compensate you for the differential in hashing power according to each customer's preference. We will contact each and every one of you over the next few weeks to discuss your preferred method of compensation.

As always, we are at your disposal for any questions or inquiries.

We sincerely appreciate your loyalty and support as we continue to develop the world’s best mining products and services.

Best Regards,

Guy Corem

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July 29, 2014, 09:30:47 PM
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Yes, I will get my July sp30 in the next days.

I am obviously not immune in my desire to speculate, as any naturally curious person isn´t.

OK, then. We can make a poll as to what TH Sp-30 will be at:
In my opinion 4-4.5Th. If it is at 3-3.5 th-then it is a shocker.

Hit the top value of my range. Not bad at all.
3kw-they probably had to scramble for a new PSU (1600W).
0.67W/Gh-slightly better than S3, slightly worse than KnC

So we have the best outcome possible. On time delivery and just a little worse specs than announced. I'm satisfied with the speed since it's being delivered on time.

EEs please comment on how a 1200W supply can provide the 1500W of power.

I'm not an EE, but we saw this on SP10 too and since they are server grade PSUs they should be fine.

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July 29, 2014, 09:31:18 PM
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For customers receiving units before October, we will adjust the price of your machines consistent with the 4.5TH/s +- 5% hash rate. Compensation will be based on preserving the $/GH ratio of the original deal. Starting in October, we will compensate you for the differential in hashing power according to each customer's preference. We will contact each and every one of you over the next few weeks to discuss your preferred method of compensation.

Early thoughts likely to be amended....

Whilst I appreciate that you will compensate buyers, $/GH isn't the only factor.

They've gone from 0.4w/GH to 0.67w/GH which significantly impacts both the running costs AND the length of time these will be viable to run.

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July 29, 2014, 09:34:10 PM
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They've gone from 0.4w/GH to 0.67w/GH which significantly impacts both the running costs AND the length of time these will be viable to run.

There was never a 0.4w/GH for the full system. 0.5W/GH was what I used for my calculations and I am sure that downclocking will be possible just like with SP10.

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July 29, 2014, 09:34:17 PM
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Please correct me if I am wrong but you guys promised 6TH +/- 10% and 2500W Nominal Power Consumption?

We expected to get to 6 TH/s with 2700W "at the wall".
The issue with July, August and September batches is extremely slow (3 sigma slow) LVT transistors.
Fixing the issue is done by a small adjustment in the production process. No need to fix the masks.

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July 29, 2014, 09:37:00 PM
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For customers receiving units before October, we will adjust the price of your machines consistent with the 4.5TH/s +- 5% hash rate. Compensation will be based on preserving the $/GH ratio of the original deal. Starting in October, we will compensate you for the differential in hashing power according to each customer's preference. We will contact each and every one of you over the next few weeks to discuss your preferred method of compensation.

Early thoughts likely to be amended....

Whilst I appreciate that you will compensate buyers, $/GH isn't the only factor.

They've gone from 0.4w/GH to 0.67w/GH which significantly impacts both the running costs AND the length of time these will be viable to run.

Yes, this did not receive any mention in the original statement. I am at a loss, however, at the 0.55W/Gh number that was a secondary comment.
If it is 0.55W/GH for 4500GH, then it is 2475W, which is exactly what was expected. Confused as to where the 3kw number is coming from.
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July 29, 2014, 09:39:59 PM
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EEs please comment on how a 1200W supply can provide the 1500W of power.

ME here, but its not the same thing. Its 1200W rated output, 1500W input. Ie its drawing 1500W at the wall to generate 1200W of usable power for the components. [realistically its probably 1500, 1350 or so]

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July 29, 2014, 09:40:40 PM
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For customers receiving units before October, we will adjust the price of your machines consistent with the 4.5TH/s +- 5% hash rate. Compensation will be based on preserving the $/GH ratio of the original deal. Starting in October, we will compensate you for the differential in hashing power according to each customer's preference. We will contact each and every one of you over the next few weeks to discuss your preferred method of compensation.

Early thoughts likely to be amended....

Whilst I appreciate that you will compensate buyers, $/GH isn't the only factor.

They've gone from 0.4w/GH to 0.67w/GH which significantly impacts both the running costs AND the length of time these will be viable to run.

Yes, this is did not receive any mention in the original statement. I am at a loss, however, at the 0.55W/Gh number that was a secondary comment.
If it is 0.55W/GH for 4500GH, then it is 2475W, which is exactly what was expected. Confused as to where the 3kw number is coming from.

July-September batches: 4500GHs +- 5% with 3000 Watt at the wall
October and later batches: 5500GHs +- 5% with 3000 Watt at the wall

New Mimblewimble implementation: https://www.beam.mw
Spondoolies is back with the SPx36: https://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/spx36
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July 29, 2014, 09:43:00 PM
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1200W output after the voltage conversion (indeed 1350W as it is overvolted) - 1500W input at wall
voltage conversion always adds specially when you are out of the 70-90% load of the PSU.

Anyway the SP30 have ended being a slighty improved 3xSP10 (25% W/H improvement).

I am waiting to see the details but a 25% refund based on buy price when the SP30 is 25% slower and 20% more power hungry doesn't help, hosting prices will be 20% higher so ROI will be greatly hurt.
Refund should be based on the same W/H, not overclocking the SP30 as you are doing to try to reduce the H/s issue.

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July 29, 2014, 09:44:41 PM
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They've gone from 0.4w/GH to 0.67w/GH which significantly impacts both the running costs AND the length of time these will be viable to run.

There was never a 0.4w/GH for the full system. 0.5W/GH was what I used for my calculations and I am sure that downclocking will be possible just like with SP10.

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-1

6TH, 2500w is what it says, but using Guy's figure of 2700w that's still 0.45w/GH -> 0.67w/GH which is a 40% increase.

This affects the running costs, profitability and lifetime of the machine, and should also be considered when deciding compensation.

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July 29, 2014, 09:44:46 PM
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For customers receiving units before October, we will adjust the price of your machines consistent with the 4.5TH/s +- 5% hash rate. Compensation will be based on preserving the $/GH ratio of the original deal. Starting in October, we will compensate you for the differential in hashing power according to each customer's preference. We will contact each and every one of you over the next few weeks to discuss your preferred method of compensation.

Early thoughts likely to be amended....

Whilst I appreciate that you will compensate buyers, $/GH isn't the only factor.

They've gone from 0.4w/GH to 0.67w/GH which significantly impacts both the running costs AND the length of time these will be viable to run.

Yes, this is did not receive any mention in the original statement. I am at a loss, however, at the 0.55W/Gh number that was a secondary comment.
If it is 0.55W/GH for 4500GH, then it is 2475W, which is exactly what was expected. Confused as to where the 3kw number is coming from.

July-September batches: 4500GHs +- 5% with 3000 Watt at the wall
October and later batches: 5500GHs +- 5% with 3000 Watt at the wall

What does it hash at @110v and what is the sound level (db).

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July 29, 2014, 09:47:17 PM
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For customers receiving units before October, we will adjust the price of your machines consistent with the 4.5TH/s +- 5% hash rate. Compensation will be based on preserving the $/GH ratio of the original deal. Starting in October, we will compensate you for the differential in hashing power according to each customer's preference. We will contact each and every one of you over the next few weeks to discuss your preferred method of compensation.

Early thoughts likely to be amended....

Whilst I appreciate that you will compensate buyers, $/GH isn't the only factor.

They've gone from 0.4w/GH to 0.67w/GH which significantly impacts both the running costs AND the length of time these will be viable to run.

Yes, this is did not receive any mention in the original statement. I am at a loss, however, at the 0.55W/Gh number that was a secondary comment.
If it is 0.55W/GH for 4500GH, then it is 2475W, which is exactly what was expected. Confused as to where the 3kw number is coming from.

July-September batches: 4500GHs +- 5% with 3000 Watt at the wall
October and later batches: 5500GHs +- 5% with 3000 Watt at the wall

OK, great. Then, the 0.55Gh/w is at the instrument level? From the point of view of consumer, it is 0.67W/Gh because I am getting 4.5TH and pay for 3kw to my power provider.
I am just trying to see where the numbers are coming from.
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July 29, 2014, 09:50:36 PM
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They've gone from 0.4w/GH to 0.67w/GH which significantly impacts both the running costs AND the length of time these will be viable to run.

There was never a 0.4w/GH for the full system. 0.5W/GH was what I used for my calculations and I am sure that downclocking will be possible just like with SP10.

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-1

6TH, 2500w is what it says, but using Guy's figure of 2700w that's still 0.45w/GH -> 0.67w/GH which is a 40% increase.

This affects the running costs, profitability and lifetime of the machine, and should also be considered when deciding compensation.

And all hosting quotes we got are for 2500W and no one saus a word to say it was 2700W (even hashplex hash SP30 listed as 2500W https://hashplex.com/frequently-asked-questions/)

Another problem could be pushing the PSUs to that limit, being server grade is not the same as "unlimited powa" a 10% over specs sounds risky so I hope the FW is on the safe zone to avoid burning the PSUs
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July 29, 2014, 09:51:38 PM
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Well, at least we know where we are now. Guy, thanks for all your hard work and honest communication. Well done for finding an equitable solution to the shortfall - I trust it will apply fairly to the Roadstress Group Buy customers as well as those who paid full retail. New tech is always problematic...
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July 29, 2014, 09:52:33 PM
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Another problem could be pushing the PSUs to that limit, being server grade is not the same as "unlimited powa" a 10% over specs sounds risky so I hope the FW is on the safe zone to avoid burning the PSUs
We're doing the same with SP10, with the approval of the manufacturer

New Mimblewimble implementation: https://www.beam.mw
Spondoolies is back with the SPx36: https://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/spx36
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Well, at least we know where we are now. Guy, thanks for all your hard work and honest communication. Well done for finding an equitable solution to the shortfall - I trust it will apply fairly to the Roadstress Group Buy customers as well as those who paid full retail. New tech is always problematic...
Thank you. It will.

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July 29, 2014, 09:54:22 PM
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And all hosting quotes we got are for 2500W and no one saus a word to say it was 2700W (even hashplex hash SP30 listed as 2500W https://hashplex.com/frequently-asked-questions/)

Another problem could be pushing the PSUs to that limit, being server grade is not the same as "unlimited powa" a 10% over specs sounds risky so I hope the FW is on the safe zone to avoid burning the PSUs

Hashplex got the 2500W from the product page, but it was stated a long time ago that for the 6TH/s the units would need 2700W.

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July 29, 2014, 09:55:23 PM
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For customers receiving units before October, we will adjust the price of your machines consistent with the 4.5TH/s +- 5% hash rate. Compensation will be based on preserving the $/GH ratio of the original deal. Starting in October, we will compensate you for the differential in hashing power according to each customer's preference. We will contact each and every one of you over the next few weeks to discuss your preferred method of compensation.

Early thoughts likely to be amended....

Whilst I appreciate that you will compensate buyers, $/GH isn't the only factor.

They've gone from 0.4w/GH to 0.67w/GH which significantly impacts both the running costs AND the length of time these will be viable to run.

Yes, this is did not receive any mention in the original statement. I am at a loss, however, at the 0.55W/Gh number that was a secondary comment.
If it is 0.55W/GH for 4500GH, then it is 2475W, which is exactly what was expected. Confused as to where the 3kw number is coming from.

July-September batches: 4500GHs +- 5% with 3000 Watt at the wall
October and later batches: 5500GHs +- 5% with 3000 Watt at the wall

Not sure why people of Aug-Sept orders have to wait until October for compensation.

Yeah I don't get it neither...

Hopefully they will start answering e-mails now as I have got few questions...
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July 29, 2014, 09:57:12 PM
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And all hosting quotes we got are for 2500W and no one saus a word to say it was 2700W (even hashplex hash SP30 listed as 2500W https://hashplex.com/frequently-asked-questions/)

Another problem could be pushing the PSUs to that limit, being server grade is not the same as "unlimited powa" a 10% over specs sounds risky so I hope the FW is on the safe zone to avoid burning the PSUs

Hashplex got the 2500W from the product page, but it was stated a long time ago that for the 6TH/s the units would need 2700W.

If you can point us where, it will be great.
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