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July 31, 2014, 10:54:44 PM
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how is that fiar for people in europe who pay 0.25euro cent ($0.34) per killowatt......

People paying 0.25 euro cent per killowatt shouldn't do home mine from the start. Complaining about the high power costs when we have a colocation thread where people can get access to cheap power is pointless. Here is the link in case anyone missed it (although it was posted several times already): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.0 There are options for everyone!

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July 31, 2014, 11:01:50 PM
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how is that fiar for people in europe who pay 0.25euro cent ($0.34) per killowatt......

People paying 0.25 euro cent per killowatt shouldn't do home mine from the start. Complaining about the high power costs when we have a colocation thread where people can get access to cheap power is pointless. Here is the link in case anyone missed it (although it was posted several times already): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.0 There are options for everyone!

who said i bought anything? I am just joining in the conversation, sorry if I don't have all the facts or actually have a stake in spondoolies hardware. Just joining in community conversation.
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July 31, 2014, 11:12:54 PM
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jtoomim: I'd connect to the cgminer API exactly like the web interface does when you click the UI buttons. The idea is to "API Allow"  connections from all over the LAN, not only from localhost, and you can have a nice monitoring tool. There were guys doing that since Coblee started Litecoin Smiley

Oh, yeah, I see how that would work.  Rather than doing API-allow for the whole LAN, we could just do it for our stats aggregation server. This would only give the data that cgminer has access to, though. No ASIC temps, clocks, power consumption, etc. Also, it would require a small mod to the firmware for each miner, which isn't a big deal, but it is a moderate-sized deal.

Zvi, is there another remote API for getting stats from the miners that includes the Spondoolies-specific stuff, or am I hunting unicorns?

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July 31, 2014, 11:16:39 PM
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who said i bought anything? I am just joining in the conversation, sorry if I don't have all the facts or actually have a stake in spondoolies hardware. Just joining in community conversation.
Sorry, that is not allowed around here.  If you don't show your Spondoolies receipt, you can't possibly be right about them having fucked up their engineering.  Only those with certified receipts are allowed to comment. 

I get in huge trouble for having an opinion without having proof of order.

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July 31, 2014, 11:18:04 PM
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how is that fiar for people in europe who pay 0.25euro cent ($0.34) per killowatt......

People paying 0.25 euro cent per killowatt shouldn't do home mine from the start. Complaining about the high power costs when we have a colocation thread where people can get access to cheap power is pointless. Here is the link in case anyone missed it (although it was posted several times already): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.0 There are options for everyone!

you are spot on correct about a cutoff point for power costs.

 I do think my monthly comp for power idea is fair for in house users that are .20 usd or less .  It would be a good way to compensate
 for the extra $$$ spent on the  power.




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July 31, 2014, 11:19:11 PM
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who said i bought anything? I am just joining in the conversation, sorry if I don't have all the facts or actually have a stake in spondoolies hardware. Just joining in community conversation.
Sorry, that is not allowed around here.  If you don't show your Spondoolies receipt, you can't possibly be right about them having fucked up their engineering.  Only those with certified receipts are allowed to comment. 

I get in huge trouble for having an opinion without having proof of order.

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July 31, 2014, 11:30:59 PM
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Oh, yeah, I see how that would work.  Rather than doing API-allow for the whole LAN, we could just do it for our stats aggregation server. This would only give the data that cgminer has access to, though. No ASIC temps, clocks, power consumption, etc. Also, it would require a small mod to the firmware for each miner, which isn't a big deal, but it is a moderate-sized deal.

Zvi, is there another remote API for getting stats from the miners that includes the Spondoolies-specific stuff, or am I hunting unicorns?

https://github.com/Spondoolies-Tech/minepeon/blob/Spond0.1/http/monitor.php

Looks like the stats in the UI are read from files created by the various software parts. One can do that if the thing resides in the same location as the rest of the UI.
If you authenticate to the miner's HTTP, you I guess you can access the JSON offered by the "monitor.php" as output .. like an api call.

One can hit password protected areas with the username and passwords in the URL call. It's a webserver ..

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July 31, 2014, 11:45:49 PM
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I am looking at a September Sp30 for ~ 6.7 BTC and comparing it to 10 x S3 for 6.8 BTC which ship Aug. 7 and it looks like the S3 package will earn me 4 or 5 BTC before the SP30 gets here.

Would someone from Spondoolies like to provide a rationale for why I should buy a September SP30 instead of S3s ?
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July 31, 2014, 11:57:45 PM
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I am looking at a September Sp30 for ~ 6.7 BTC and comparing it to 10 x S3 for 6.8 BTC which ship Aug. 7 and it looks like the S3 package will earn me 4 or 5 BTC before the SP30 gets here.

Would someone from Spondoolies like to provide a rationale for why I should buy a September SP30 instead of S3s ?

here is one reason to buy the sp30  they can host it at a decent rate. bitmaintech won't host the s-3's





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jtoomim: I'd connect to the cgminer API exactly like the web interface does when you click the UI buttons. The idea is to "API Allow"  connections from all over the LAN, not only from localhost, and you can have a nice monitoring tool.

For home mining users it is OK to allow API access for all over the LAN but it may not be a good idea to allow access to cgminer API from anywhere if you use hosting ...

You can use a ssh connection to your SP10/SP30 and open a tunnel to remote address "-L 4028:localhost:4028" if you want to do remote monitoring but on same time keep cgminer setup with API access only from localhost.

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August 01, 2014, 12:04:14 AM
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how is that fiar for people in europe who pay 0.25euro cent ($0.34) per killowatt......

People paying 0.25 euro cent per killowatt shouldn't do home mine from the start. Complaining about the high power costs when we have a colocation thread where people can get access to cheap power is pointless. Here is the link in case anyone missed it (although it was posted several times already): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.0 There are options for everyone!

who said i bought anything? I am just joining in the conversation, sorry if I don't have all the facts or actually have a stake in spondoolies hardware. Just joining in community conversation.

I never stated anything about you buying or not miners. It was obvious that you don't have all the facts and I just presented them to you.It has nothing to do with having or not a stake in SP-Tech hardware. Where is the harm in giving you free information?

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August 01, 2014, 12:25:01 AM
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I am looking at a September Sp30 for ~ 6.7 BTC and comparing it to 10 x S3 for 6.8 BTC which ship Aug. 7 and it looks like the S3 package will earn me 4 or 5 BTC before the SP30 gets here.

Would someone from Spondoolies like to provide a rationale for why I should buy a September SP30 instead of S3s ?

here is one reason to buy the sp30  they can host it at a decent rate. bitmaintech won't host the s-3's






Who's hosting it at a decent rate? ST?

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August 01, 2014, 12:35:14 AM
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I am looking at a September Sp30 for ~ 6.7 BTC and comparing it to 10 x S3 for 6.8 BTC which ship Aug. 7 and it looks like the S3 package will earn me 4 or 5 BTC before the SP30 gets here.

Would someone from Spondoolies like to provide a rationale for why I should buy a September SP30 instead of S3s ?

I actually already did this.  S3s are running very strong.  You'd be a fool to buy the SP30 which has a 'published' hash rate far different from the delivered hash rate.  That's just plain old betting.  With S3 - you get what is written on the tin.  Big difference.  Buying unicorn days are over.  Promises, promises.

Buy the S3 - they are actual hardware which works.  Numbers on paper are just silly.  Ain't never going to happen.

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August 01, 2014, 12:46:58 AM
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I am looking at a September Sp30 for ~ 6.7 BTC and comparing it to 10 x S3 for 6.8 BTC which ship Aug. 7 and it looks like the S3 package will earn me 4 or 5 BTC before the SP30 gets here.

Would someone from Spondoolies like to provide a rationale for why I should buy a September SP30 instead of S3s ?

I actually already did this.  S3s are running very strong.  You'd be a fool to buy the SP30 which has a 'published' hash rate far different from the delivered hash rate.  That's just plain old betting.  With S3 - you get what is written on the tin.  Big difference.  Buying unicorn days are over.  Promises, promises.

Buy the S3 - they are actual hardware which works.  Numbers on paper are just silly.  Ain't never going to happen.

SP30 Yukon September Batch 2 has a published hash rate of 4.5Th/s +-5%. Stop spreading lies and check their official product page and if you look a few post earlier you will see the live proof of the 4.5Th/s hashrate so it's not numbers on paper. Happy mining!

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August 01, 2014, 12:50:01 AM
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I am looking at a September Sp30 for ~ 6.7 BTC and comparing it to 10 x S3 for 6.8 BTC which ship Aug. 7 and it looks like the S3 package will earn me 4 or 5 BTC before the SP30 gets here.

Would someone from Spondoolies like to provide a rationale for why I should buy a September SP30 instead of S3s ?

I actually already did this.  S3s are running very strong.  You'd be a fool to buy the SP30 which has a 'published' hash rate far different from the delivered hash rate.  That's just plain old betting.  With S3 - you get what is written on the tin.  Big difference.  Buying unicorn days are over.  Promises, promises.

Buy the S3 - they are actual hardware which works.  Numbers on paper are just silly.  Ain't never going to happen.

The sp30 numbers are not on paper any more they are finazlised, and the price is lower than what it was before :  that being said just due to the fact that s3's are available today that would be the route to go, who the F knows what diff will be in end of Sept when the sept/oct batch of sp30's ship.  If you have an SP30 in July Aug Batch you might as well see how much BTC you can make before Sept , At current Diff they shuld make you about 6-7 BTC before end of sept which is pretty much close to ROI.  Its a ok deal but of course no where as near a GREAT deal it would have been if SP-TECH had met their original estimates.

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August 01, 2014, 01:38:29 AM
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http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

Power Supply: 2 x 1200W
Power Consumption: 3000W

 Huh

WTF

By the way, I don't like the idea of 3000W for 1 machine ... I live in 13A@220V zone, meaning 3000W JUST exceeded the supply of 1 socket ... thus the machine will need 2 sockets, wasting the socket slot.

Also, putting too much into 1 machine means when a small part in it fails, the whole machine fails.  Where as if I split into, say, 10 x S3, it's more robust, more deployable, and flexible.
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http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

Power Supply: 2 x 1200W
Power Consumption: 3000W

 Huh

WTF

By the way, I don't like the idea of 3000W for 1 machine ... I live in 13A@220V zone, meaning 3000W JUST exceeded the supply of 1 socket ... thus the machine will need 2 sockets, wasting the socket slot.

Also, putting too much into 1 machine means when a small part in it fails, the whole machine fails.  Where as if I split into, say, 10 x S3, it's more robust, more deployable, and flexible.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=718831.0 Read here for more information about the PSUs.

As for you exceeding the supply of 1 socket I just posted a link above where you can find a place to host your miner probably with cheaper power costs than yours.

Also if a small part fails the whole machine won't fail so you don't need to worry about it. I am sure that each chip is independent and if one fails the others can continue running without problems. The SP10 units have 192 chips in them organized in chains of 8 chips for a total of 24 chains. Collider has a unit where a chain of 8 chips failed, but he is still getting over 1.4Th/s with that unit. Each SP30 miner has 30 chips in it.

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http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

Power Supply: 2 x 1200W
Power Consumption: 3000W

 Huh

WTF

By the way, I don't like the idea of 3000W for 1 machine ... I live in 13A@220V zone, meaning 3000W JUST exceeded the supply of 1 socket ... thus the machine will need 2 sockets, wasting the socket slot.

Also, putting too much into 1 machine means when a small part in it fails, the whole machine fails.  Where as if I split into, say, 10 x S3, it's more robust, more deployable, and flexible.


yeah if I had know about the s3s coming online and that SP-TECH would no hit the 5-6TH number I would have def gone with a bunch of s3s  
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http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

Power Supply: 2 x 1200W
Power Consumption: 3000W

 Huh

WTF

By the way, I don't like the idea of 3000W for 1 machine ... I live in 13A@220V zone, meaning 3000W JUST exceeded the supply of 1 socket ... thus the machine will need 2 sockets, wasting the socket slot.

Also, putting too much into 1 machine means when a small part in it fails, the whole machine fails.  Where as if I split into, say, 10 x S3, it's more robust, more deployable, and flexible.


yeah if I had know about the s3s coming online and that SP-TECH would no hit the 5-6TH number I would have def gone with a bunch of s3s  
I'll be looking for a hosting company when my SP30 arrives

Spondoolies thinks it is no big deal they missed the target by a mile.  However, all those who carefully planned out a target to profit on pretty thin margins - got royally fucked.  Now RoadStress is running around saying: 'just have it hosted'.  Well, many miners didn't want to pay the service charge of hosting.  They wanted to rely on what Spondoolies said and host themselves.  They believe in the power spec.  They believed in the hashing spec.  Which would have worked - except one thing: spondoolies didn't know what the fuck they were doing despite telling everyone: "Seriously, we know what we are doing."  They also said: "you can take that uncertainty out of the equation".  So we all did.  Now, its not Spondoolies getting fucked - we are getting fucked.  Spondoolies still has the same amount of money as if they delivered the full spec.  They didn't.  Now everyone is scrambling to do what they can with the new parameters.  Changing from a planed site to a hosted site is not trivial.  This is a real impact on peoples plans.  RoadStress spent a shitload of time in other thread bashing the fuck out of other projects.  Now that SP30 project is all fucked up - he says: you should not be using these at home anyway.  Well, if the specs were correct, they'd actually work on 120V @ 20 amp.  But as we were all stupid suckers and believed the bravado from Spondoolies - and fully did not expect the serious shortcoming which is the SP30 underperforming machine - abortion of engineering - we don't know what we are doing - we are now fucked looking for new arrangement to try to break even.  

There is only one solution: Spondoolies must make a seriously kickass gen3 machine and offer it to previous buyers at cost.  It is the only way they will come right.  The compensation package is silly for the reasons spelled out by many above which say that power cost the big let down.  

SP50 is the only serious fair recourse.  If Spondoolies wants everyone to be happy, they will go back to work, and build the best machine ever and let loyal customers into the earliest release.  

Anything else is just about as lame as KnC.  

Notice how Spondoolies is acting just like KnC now.  KnC released a few Neptunes and now they say: "Neptune shipped on time".  It didn't.  They shipped a few on time, many thousands are not shipped and won't be for a long time.  Now, Spondoolies released a few SP30s and they claim: "we shipped on time".  However, they haven't shipped a serious number of them - just a few.  Spondoolies is looking more like KnC everyday.


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August 01, 2014, 02:39:38 AM
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http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

Power Supply: 2 x 1200W
Power Consumption: 3000W

 Huh

WTF

By the way, I don't like the idea of 3000W for 1 machine ... I live in 13A@220V zone, meaning 3000W JUST exceeded the supply of 1 socket ... thus the machine will need 2 sockets, wasting the socket slot.

Also, putting too much into 1 machine means when a small part in it fails, the whole machine fails.  Where as if I split into, say, 10 x S3, it's more robust, more deployable, and flexible.


yeah if I had know about the s3s coming online and that SP-TECH would no hit the 5-6TH number I would have def gone with a bunch of s3s  
I'll be looking for a hosting company when my SP30 arrives
I actually lucked out - got a bunch of S3s just for the fun of it - and I am totally shocked how good they are.  Rock solid.  Just running, running, running.  Making BTC.  I can't believe it.  I thought that was just more Chinese shit.  Not true.  I got fucked by BFL (American), I got fucked by KnC (Sweden), and I got fucked by Spondoolies (Jews).  But I didn't get fucked by the Chinese.  What I got from the Chinese is pure, solid, rocking hash power for a very cheap price.  

I guess the pendulum swings.  Who'd have predicted fucked up shitty engineering from Americans, Swedish and Jews, with kick ass reliable engineering from the Chinese?  Not me.  The world turns.

By the way, I sent a new order for S3s this week - 10X my old order.  Fuck KnC, fuck BFL, and fuck SpondTech - they are all lying bullshitters who can't engineer a hashing machine.  AntMiner rules!

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