[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[jtoomim]

Also could you please ellaborate on:

"Please realize these miners are built to be hosted in an industrial environment. Before you plug these in consult an electrician and make sure to get permits/inspection for any work done...
...These are not home miners like bitmain are, they really need to be in a data centre. A cost you must have calculated on your pre-purchase ROI analysis. "

Please trim your quotations.

The person who said that ("hosted in an industrial environment... not home miners") was grn, not spondoolies-tech. I suggest you not take it too seriously. Running one or maybe two at home is reasonable and feasible. The design is optimized for datacenters, but that's not the only place you can run them.

As for consulting an electrician, that's advice for if you need to add circuits or outlets for the miner to run on. If your existing electrical infrastructure is sufficient (e.g. at least one 20A 220V circuit available, or two 15A 110V circuits), an electrician is not necessary.

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[buckrogers]

Come on Guy!

Have your guys use some of that Iron Dome technology to sort this out

Either way, I hope you guys do the right thing, it will either make you or break you as a company.

Thanks!

[s1gs3gv]

No news yet from Spondoomies ?

[RawDog]

No news yet from Spondoomies ?

They went into shut down mode.  Reality is too hard to deal with.  We won't hear much from them until they start shipping 2.1TH garbage in April after the lawsuits start.

"Seriously, we know what we are doing"

[Collider]

No news yet from Spondoomies ?

They went into shut down mode.  Reality is too hard to deal with.  We won't hear much from them until they start shipping 2.1TH garbage in April after the lawsuits start.

If there is nothing to tell, why would they tell you "no update yet"?

There is obviously some major testing and firmware building needed to address the issues, and spondoolies wants to be certain that provided specs are accurate and reproducable.

July batch will be shipped in July and final specs will be released in July.

[wpgdeez]

No news yet from Spondoomies ?

They went into shut down mode.  Reality is too hard to deal with.  We won't hear much from them until they start shipping 2.1TH garbage in April after the lawsuits start.

"Seriously, we know what we are doing"

Their arrogance is biting them in the ass, should have played it cool.

[Collider]

Obviously overdelivering is always better, and yes, their previous estimations of "6TH per sp30" are now going to be very costly for them.

On the other hand, spondoolies raked the cash in for 6TH miners, and are now going to find a way to make every customer whole.

While overpromising could be considered a rookie mistake, keep in mind that even bitmain overpromised on their S3 by about 10%, offering refunds in that amount.

They didn´t have a worse efficiency though and atleast my S3 (which I bought just for fun) actually does 500GH after some tweaking.


The tests from spondoolies, including stress tests under high temperatures, should give everyone a solid number as to what they can expect from their sp30s.

I am still a little unsure as to how they can be certain that the chip isn´t as good as it should be (and not some other component is at fault) without specific chip testing, but they probably found a way to eliminate certain possibilities.

However, I doubt the foundry is at fault, but spondoolies would then be able to hopefully get some compensation.
I also don´t know how they have ruled out bad /non-optimal chip packaging as a source of lower efficiency.
(I know that certain materials used to connect the inner connections with the pins at the outside of the package can be problematic and create a  slightly lower efficiency).

This is all pure speculation and once spondoolies has solid numbers and a compensation plan for customers, I am sure we are going to learn more about the specific nature of the problem(s).
That is if this doesn´t give away any of spondoolies IP.

[Marvell1]

Obviously overdelivering is always better, and yes, their previous estimations of "6TH per sp30" are now going to be very costly for them.

On the other hand, spondoolies raked the cash in for 6TH miners, and are now going to find a way to make every customer whole.

While overpromising could be considered a rookie mistake, keep in mind that even bitmain overpromised on their S3 by about 10%, offering refunds in that amount.

They didn´t have a worse efficiency though and atleast my S3 (which I bought just for fun) actually does 500GH after some tweaking.


The tests from spondoolies, including stress tests under high temperatures, should give everyone a solid number as to what they can expect from their sp30s.

I am still a little unsure as to how they can be certain that the chip isn´t as good as it should be (and not some other component is at fault) without specific chip testing, but they probably found a way to eliminate certain possibilities.

However, I doubt the foundry is at fault, as spondoolies would then be able to hopefully get some compensation.
I also don´t know how they have ruled out bad /non-optimal chip packaging as a source of lower efficiency.
(I know that certain materials used to connect the inner connections with the pins at the outside of the package can be problematic and create a  slightly lower efficiency).

This is all pure speculation and once spondoolies has solid numbers and a compensation plan for customers, I am sure we are going to learn more about the specific nature of the problem(s).
That is if this doesn´t give away any of spondoolies IP.

I sure hope you are wrong that its not an issue from the foundry speculation or not

[Collider]

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I can also share that we're zeroing on the issue and it's a TSMC production issue.
Future batches (October) will meet our desired spec.

Guy

This either means the chip is designed with a slight fault, or certain production methods at TSMC caused the chip to underperform. (or some mixture of the two)

The comment really suggests the latter.

Guy also seems to be fairly confident that it is not a packaging issue, and that it can be fixed for future chip batches (which would be great news.)

If TSMC is at fault, spondoolies might get the new and improved mask at a discount.
If it is more a question of implementing certain requirements posed by TSMC, it should really have been corrected during (initial) tapeout.

Again, this is pure speculation (which I actually resent) so please wait for spondoolies to comment and don´t take any of my suggestions too seriously.

[Biodom]

--snip

I can also share that we're zeroing on the issue and it's a TSMC production issue.
Future batches (October) will meet our desired spec.

Guy

This either means the chip is designed with a slight fault, or certain production methods at TSMC caused the chip to underperform.

The comment really suggests the latter.

Guy also seems to be fairly confident that it is not a packaging issue, and that it can be fixed for future chip batches (which would be great news.)

If TSMC is at fault, spondoolies might get the new and improved mask at a discount.
If it is more a question of implementing certain requirements posed by TSMC, it should really have been corrected during (initial) tapeout.

I think that it is all speculation (Edit: I see that you added the note on the same after the initial post) until we know the facts.
Were there some SP-30 that were sold as early (July) batch? If so, they would have to be shipped by July 30 and then we would know everything.

[Collider]

Yes, I will get my July sp30 in the next days.

I am obviously not immune in my desire to speculate, as any naturally curious person isn´t.

[wpgdeez]

I wonder if it has anything to do with slow corner ASICS again. Still bummed out my May batch never goes above 1.3 and I don't even want to know what it pulls at the wall since I had to increase voltage just to get 1.3thash. Was expecting 1.5 based off of the previous batch. 

[Collider]

Slow corner asics are typically sorted out by testing, only allowing typical/typical and fast/fast asics to be implemented in the miners.

That being said, spondoolies probably had no other option than to ship miners with the chips they had in-hand.

[Biodom]

Yes, I will get my July sp30 in the next days.

I am obviously not immune in my desire to speculate, as any naturally curious person isn´t.

OK, then. We can make a poll as to what TH Sp-30 will be at:
In my opinion 4-4.5Th. If it is at 3-3.5 th-then it is a shocker.

[Collider]

Yes, I will get my July sp30 in the next days.

I am obviously not immune in my desire to speculate, as any naturally curious person isn´t.

OK, then. We can make a poll as to what TH Sp-30 will be at:
In my opinion 4-4.5Th. If it is at 3-3.5 th-then it is a shocker.

Thankfully opinions don´t change the hashrate a unit achieves (or my sp10 would already hash at 100TH).

Let´s wait and see what spondoolies will tell soon.

[jonnybravo0311]

I wonder if it has anything to do with slow corner ASICS again. Still bummed out my May batch never goes above 1.3 and I don't even want to know what it pulls at the wall since I had to increase voltage just to get 1.3thash. Was expecting 1.5 based off of the previous batch. 

Are you on US power (120V) or other?  Also, what are your voltage settings?  I have one of the May batch SP10s running in my home, and after tweaking the settings, it hashes at 1.4TH/s, pulling about 1200W from the wall.

Yes, I will get my July sp30 in the next days.

I am obviously not immune in my desire to speculate, as any naturally curious person isn´t.

OK, then. We can make a poll as to what TH Sp-30 will be at:
In my opinion 4-4.5Th. If it is at 3-3.5 th-then it is a shocker.

The initially announced specs were 5.4TH/s, which Spondoolies-Tech later upped to 6TH/s (+- 10%).  I'm guessing actual implementation is showing 4.5-5TH/s... but we won't know actuals until Spondoolies-Tech announces the results of their testing.

[Biodom]

Yes, I will get my July sp30 in the next days.

I am obviously not immune in my desire to speculate, as any naturally curious person isn´t.

OK, then. We can make a poll as to what TH Sp-30 will be at:
In my opinion 4-4.5Th. If it is at 3-3.5 th-then it is a shocker.

Thankfully opinions don´t change the hashrate a unit achieves (or my sp10 would already hash at 100TH).

Let´s wait and see what spondoolies will tell soon.

Ok, but then, let's not engage in speculating on who is responsible as well (TMSC or somebody at SPT))

[Collider]

Yes, I agree we shouldn´t speculate.

As for the hashrate of the sp30, it was quite offensively marketed as 6TH (+/-10%, against the Neptune if I remember correctly) so this should be the basis for any compensation (along with the 0.4W/GH).

[s1gs3gv]

Yes, I agree we shouldn´t speculate.

As for the hashrate of the sp30, it was quite offensively marketed as 6TH (+/-10%, against the Neptune if I remember correctly) so this should be the basis for any compensation (along with the 0.4W/GH).

I saw statements as high as 6.5 somewhere in this topic.

yeah … here is is:

We'll meet our power targets and our schedule.
We're committed to 5.4 THs +- 10% and July delivery.

The SP30 will be able to produce over 6 THs. Probably over 6.5 THs with 2700 Watt (2 X 1200 rated PSUs, each PSU is able to input 1350 Watt)

[Collider]

It officially stated 6TH +/-10 % on their website, and the 6TH figure was also repeated as the new "normal" figure on the forums (and spondoolies even proposed that it might be higher).

The chip is rated

Rated hash rate: 200 GH/s per chip, with a wide range of overclock/downclock options

This speed was also given when tapeout was announced.