[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[wpgdeez]

I wonder if it has anything to do with slow corner ASICS again. Still bummed out my May batch never goes above 1.3 and I don't even want to know what it pulls at the wall since I had to increase voltage just to get 1.3thash. Was expecting 1.5 based off of the previous batch. 

Are you on US power (120V) or other?  Also, what are your voltage settings?  I have one of the May batch SP10s running in my home, and after tweaking the settings, it hashes at 1.4TH/s, pulling about 1200W from the wall.

Yes, I will get my July sp30 in the next days.

I am obviously not immune in my desire to speculate, as any naturally curious person isn´t.

OK, then. We can make a poll as to what TH Sp-30 will be at:
In my opinion 4-4.5Th. If it is at 3-3.5 th-then it is a shocker.

The initially announced specs were 5.4TH/s, which Spondoolies-Tech later upped to 6TH/s (+- 10%).  I'm guessing actual implementation is showing 4.5-5TH/s... but we won't know actuals until Spondoolies-Tech announces the results of their testing.

I'm running at 240v, can never get to 1.4. Zvisha looked at my logs and told me 1.3 is the best I'm going to get with my unit.

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[RawDog]

It officially stated 6TH +/-10 % on their website, and the 6TH figure was also repeated as the new "normal" figure on the forums (and spondoolies even proposed that it might be higher).

If they were anywhere near 6TH, they'd do like AntMiner and just say: oops, sorry about that, we are 7.7% off target here is a coupon - and just keep going.  1 day of discontent and its over.  The reason they are silent is because they are not even close.  My bet, they can't even make 4.2TH.  This would cause a radio silence while they all try to think of ways to deal with the impending bankruptcy.  

And to think, everyone in Israel thinks the big problem of the day is rockets from Gaza.  Only SPT has bigger nightmares.  Now I'll bet Spondoolies actually WANTS a Gaza rocket to hit their labs.  This way, they can just blame the whole thing on the Palestinians.  lol.

[bobsmoke]

Hello All, can someone please tell me what was the total price of hosting per SP30 in the US Datacenter?

Setup Fee?
Customs?
Hosting per month?

thank you

[mrpark]

Sorry, but I don't believe the final SP30 will be designed with two 1200W power supplies, if it was just that then 120v would be fully supported. I believe the wattage is going to be much higher, and that is why 120V is not recommend and probably not even worth looking at.  What kind of magic happens at 208v on a 1200W power supply that a 120V on a 1200W supply cant give the same amount? It doesn't make ANY sense to me, and that is why I have been holding out, and will continue to hold out. I am thinking those power supplies would be 1800W-2000W, and now that would make MUCH more sense to me why you would want it on a 208V-240V circuit.

Perhaps I am wrong, and will have to eat my words. But please give me a reason why 120v would not work if I had two 20 amp circuits and the power supplies were only 1200W. Don't give me that stuff that a 120V circuit cannot supply enough voltage if its only 1200W.  120V*20amp=2400 - 25% = 1800W max on continuous load.

[wh00per]

bobsmoke, use the website ..

mrpark .. the difference between 1200W at 120V and 220V is the current going through those wires. Lower voltages require thicker wires.
Most of the power supplies are made to be used under 50% in extended load. If the PSU is high grade, this percentage increases.

The power supplies used here are "generic", in the sense that they can be used in a range from 90V to 250V. That means in case of lower voltage you have a setup requiring thicker wires than usual, especially in the case of running the crap out of  the power supply for an extended period of time.

Thin wires with high amperage tend to overheat.  It doesn't mean that the PSU is not delivering (being rated as it is) .. it is, but more of the precious energy goes to heat instead to the load. Hence measured at the wall, a poorer performance W/kH.

Now, there's so much one gets from a power outlet. It's limited by  the breakers, wire # etc. What ends up at the other end (not at the wall) of the power supply, the firmware tries to distribute to the hashing chips. But it can't distribute more than it has available, so that all chips work in the optimum range. Hence the efficiency difference in a product designed for 220V and one for 110V.

Maybe someone else can translate my post in "layman of the layman" terms. Definitely, basic things about electricity (learned in high-school, like ohm's  law) are forgotten here, or never known. 

[Biodom]

Sorry, but I don't believe the final SP30 will be designed with two 1200W power supplies, if it was just that then 120v would be fully supported. I believe the wattage is going to be much higher, and that is why 120V is not recommend and probably not even worth looking at.  What kind of magic happens at 208v on a 1200W power supply that a 120V on a 1200W supply cant give the same amount? It doesn't make ANY sense to me, and that is why I have been holding out, and will continue to hold out. I am thinking those power supplies would be 1800W-2000W, and now that would make MUCH more sense to me why you would want it on a 208V-240V circuit.

Perhaps I am wrong, and will have to eat my words. But please give me a reason why 120v would not work if I had two 20 amp circuits and the power supplies were only 1200W. Don't give me that stuff that a 120V circuit cannot supply enough voltage if its only 1200W.  120V*20amp=2400 - 25% = 1800W max on continuous load.

They said that they already sourced Emerson and Murata 1200W power supplies.
There will be two per SP-30 (at least that was the plan)
It should work even on two 15A circuits.
2X12(derated from 15)X110=2640W easily

[mrpark]

Sorry, but I don't believe the final SP30 will be designed with two 1200W power supplies, if it was just that then 120v would be fully supported. I believe the wattage is going to be much higher, and that is why 120V is not recommend and probably not even worth looking at.  What kind of magic happens at 208v on a 1200W power supply that a 120V on a 1200W supply cant give the same amount? It doesn't make ANY sense to me, and that is why I have been holding out, and will continue to hold out. I am thinking those power supplies would be 1800W-2000W, and now that would make MUCH more sense to me why you would want it on a 208V-240V circuit.

Perhaps I am wrong, and will have to eat my words. But please give me a reason why 120v would not work if I had two 20 amp circuits and the power supplies were only 1200W. Don't give me that stuff that a 120V circuit cannot supply enough voltage if its only 1200W.  120V*20amp=2400 - 25% = 1800W max on continuous load.

They said that they already sourced Emerson and Murata 1200W power supplies.
There will be two per SP-30 (at least that was the plan)

I guess they will work with 120V, but then you will need to hack it as in the SP10 to get the same hash.

[jonnybravo0311]

I'm running at 240v, can never get to 1.4. Zvisha looked at my logs and told me 1.3 is the best I'm going to get with my unit.

Oh, I see.  I guess I got a "lucky" May batch unit then... when I first got it, I never saw anything over 1.3, but with the restriction lifted for the 110V power, and the 1.5.2 firmware, mine now hashes at just about 1.4 (usually cycles between 1.39 and 1.41).

[jtoomim]

Hello All, can someone please tell me what was the total price of hosting per SP30 in the US Datacenter?

Setup Fee?
Customs?
Hosting per month?

Which US datacenter are you referring to?

In the datacenter I'm building, which should be coming online in a few weeks:

$0
$0
$192/mo to $248/mo, depending on whether you pay several months in advance or pay month-to-month.

In the official Spondoolies datacenter in Washington (which should be Titan), the rates are:

$0
$0
$400/mo to $500/mo, depending on whether you pay 3 months in advance or pay month-to-month.

You can see those rates on http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products.

You can view other hosting options in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.

[RoadStress]

In the official Spondoolies datacenter in Washington (which should be Titan), the rates are:

$0
$0
$400/mo to $500/mo, depending on whether you pay 3 months in advance or pay month-to-month.

You can see those rates on http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products.

You can view other hosting options in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.

I think the hosting fees the my SP30 GB will be lower. Waiting for the final specs any time now, but the original offer was for $290 per month. This may change depending on the power consumption.

[mrpark]

I'm running at 240v, can never get to 1.4. Zvisha looked at my logs and told me 1.3 is the best I'm going to get with my unit.

Oh, I see.  I guess I got a "lucky" May batch unit then... when I first got it, I never saw anything over 1.3, but with the restriction lifted for the 110V power, and the 1.5.2 firmware, mine now hashes at just about 1.4 (usually cycles between 1.39 and 1.41).

Can you explain how to lift the restriction? is it in the config file, or can it be done though the GUI?

[wh00per]

http://storage.googleapis.com/spond_public/materials/FAQ%20SP30%20PSU.docx

Here's again the power supply specs. Maybe it helps.

[mrpark]

http://storage.googleapis.com/spond_public/materials/FAQ%20SP30%20PSU.docx

Here's again the power supply specs. Maybe it helps.

They had me at "It comes with a cord"! (SP10 didn't come with any cords).

[wpgdeez]

In the official Spondoolies datacenter in Washington (which should be Titan), the rates are:

$0
$0
$400/mo to $500/mo, depending on whether you pay 3 months in advance or pay month-to-month.

You can see those rates on http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products.

You can view other hosting options in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.

I think the hosting fees the my SP30 GB will be lower. Waiting for the final specs any time now, but the original offer was for $290 per month. This may change depending on the power consumption.

If your GB stated $290 it should be $290 and nothing more regardless of power consumption. Those were the terms the customer agreed to.

[wh00per]

I can understand that .. They ship these with cords because they have different power inputs. What they want to do with the cords, is to make the power connection type uniform, no matter what the PSU is. These cords won't plug in your wall socket anyway.

[jtoomim]

Perhaps I am wrong, and will have to eat my words. But please give me a reason why 120v would not work if I had two 20 amp circuits and the power supplies were only 1200W. Don't give me that stuff that a 120V circuit cannot supply enough voltage if its only 1200W.  120V*20amp=2400 - 25% = 1800W max on continuous load.

The issue with voltage isn't the ratings of the outlets, but the losses inside the power supply itself. Power supplies are more efficient at higher voltages. http://www.hostdime.com/blog/208-volt-server/. Higher efficiency means less heat. If a PSU is 88.5% efficient, that means that 11.5% of the power coming from the wall gets converted into heat; if 91%, then 9%. A typical power supply therefore generates about 28% more heat at 120V than at 208V. Since PSU performance is usually limited by the temperature of the components inside, lower losses as heat translates into substantially higher power delivery capacity. Since the SP10 (and likely also the SP30) has its performance partially limited by PSU performance, higher voltages result in higher performance. You can run the PSU on a lower voltage, but you have to reduce the power delivery in order to not overheat the PSU.

An SP30 will work on two 20A 120V circuits. It just likely won't reach its full power. If the SP10 is any indication, you'll lose about 5% or 10% of your potential hashrate.

By the way, "120V" power is usually actually either 115V or 110V. 120V refers to the ratings for the plugs and cables and whatnot, which is the voltage not to be exceeded.

[RoadStress]

If your GB stated $290 it should be $290 and nothing more regardless of power consumption. Those were the terms the customer agreed to.

People paid for the SP30 only. The hosting was a bonus offered to anyone that wanted. It wasn't enforced or anything and I am sure that it's based on the power consumption. The good thing is that I don't think that it will vary a lot because we can't push the PSUs a lot more than 2700W.

[Grix]

In the official Spondoolies datacenter in Washington (which should be Titan), the rates are:

$0
$0
$400/mo to $500/mo, depending on whether you pay 3 months in advance or pay month-to-month.

You can see those rates on http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products.

You can view other hosting options in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622998.

I think the hosting fees the my SP30 GB will be lower. Waiting for the final specs any time now, but the original offer was for $290 per month. This may change depending on the power consumption.

If your GB stated $290 it should be $290 and nothing more regardless of power consumption. Those were the terms the customer agreed to.

Pretty sure the issue is whether or not the price will be lower, not higher. $290 per month sounded fair at 5-6THps, but if the unit is much weaker than that and we still have to pay the same price for hosting, it can become a much more costly affair than anticipated.

[jtoomim]

If your GB stated $290 it should be $290 and nothing more regardless of power consumption. Those were the terms the customer agreed to.

People paid for the SP30 only. The hosting was a bonus offered to anyone that wanted. It wasn't enforced or anything and I am sure that it's based on the power consumption. The good thing is that I don't think that it will vary a lot because we can't push the PSUs a lot more than 2700W.

Also, Spondoolies emailed customers about a month ago asking for a commitment to either hosting or free shipping. If you didn't opt for hosting back then, it may be too late to get those prices. The fact that bobsmoke is asking now what the price is suggests to me that he didn't purchase it then, which is why I listed the rates Spondoolies is currently advertising.

The crippled Rockerbox ASICs might pull less than 2700W per SP30, in which case customers might get a rebate from their hosting provider. Or they might not. Depends on the DC's policy, I guess.

[wh00per]

If your GB stated $290 it should be $290 and nothing more regardless of power consumption. Those were the terms the customer agreed to.

Be sure you review the timeline .. $290 for 3mo or 6mo. Now it can be 400mo if you want to renew. I know several data centers which want to fill their racks with a lower monthly rate for the first months. If you keep the stuff there it will eventually flatten to a rate where they are getting a profit. Usually they waive installation fees just because the profits are made when the units are running there and no one looks at them.