Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[AverageGlabella]

For now, that's not going to happen because both mentioned boxers are campaigning for a different belt, WBO for Moloney and WBC for Donaire but yes, maybe in the future, fate will make these two boxers collide with each other so that we can see who's who and which is which. But it's worth to note that Moloney declined the WBC's offer because he is facing Donaire, so that already means something and maybe he will duck again sometime soon until Donaire will retire.

Donaire will ask for 60% of the purse and the fight will stall. He is using his position to demand more money but I think it is because he is scared of losing and does not want that on his record close to his retirement and if he takes the fight he will want a lot of money for the risk. He could just schedule 2/3 lower profile fights and end his career and I think that will happen because there is no way his opponents will accept 30-40% of the purse to fight him.

[Baofeng]

^ Yes, it's going to be difficult to see another clash of Filipinos, but if Donaire has to do it again, knocking this kid out, then he has to do it.

And there is another one right, Vincent Astrolabio, who seems to be a journeyman but now he is rated in 3/4 bodies and will go and fight for the belt as well. So a lot of Filipinos in this division as it is very suited for their height and weight. Would be interesting if we have 2 out of 4 Filipinos holding the belt, not sure if this has happen before.

Not sure as well, but if remember it right Donaire and Casimero holds same weight right? I mean the time when Casimero still the champ he was with Inoue, Donaire and him, I remember way back that he's challenging Inoue but the monster choose to have a rematch with Donaire and Butler was the one who schedule for Casimero but due to failure to meet the required weight he has been stripped.

Not sure if that's relevant, but anyway, I also wanted to see more Pinoys to hold the belt and be that title holder from this division.

Yes, and Casimero even trash talks Donaire and they almost made it to a fight until it was scrap and then both became friendly.

It's fitting for Pinoy in this weight classes or even the lower division. But it seems that we have lost a some champions already, Magsayo failed in his attempt for a interim belt. Anyhow, at least in this weight class we have two Pinoy vying for a belt so that is good enough for us, and hopefully even 1 win will be huge pride for the country again.

[harizen]

Donaire will ask for 60% of the purse and the fight will stall. He is using his position to demand more money but I think it is because he is scared of losing and does not want that on his record close to his retirement and if he takes the fight he will want a lot of money for the risk. He could just schedule 2/3 lower profile fights and end his career and I think that will happen because there is no way his opponents will accept 30-40% of the purse to fight him.

Hmm, Donaire scared of losing at this point in his career? I really doubt that.

If he does, then we shouldn't see him having a rematch with Naoya Inoue where he already knows how dominant the monster is during their first meetup even suffering a fatal blow from him but still ended with Inoue winning a "unanimous decision".

Using his position to demand more money? The WBC assigned his next scheduled fight for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title which does make sense because he's the current Rank 1 on WBC's bantamweight rankings and regardless of the split, it will be pushed through.

[tabas]

For now, that's not going to happen because both mentioned boxers are campaigning for a different belt, WBO for Moloney and WBC for Donaire but yes, maybe in the future, fate will make these two boxers collide with each other so that we can see who's who and which is which. But it's worth to note that Moloney declined the WBC's offer because he is facing Donaire, so that already means something and maybe he will duck again sometime soon until Donaire will retire.

Donaire will ask for 60% of the purse and the fight will stall. He is using his position to demand more money but I think it is because he is scared of losing and does not want that on his record close to his retirement and if he takes the fight he will want a lot of money for the risk. He could just schedule 2/3 lower profile fights and end his career and I think that will happen because there is no way his opponents will accept 30-40% of the purse to fight him.

He'll choose to what he thinks is right and fit as Donaire is close to retirement or it's like the last call and whatever the results will be, he's out but will be taking out all of the money that he's asked for the split share.
There's some pride on his name and that's why he'll choose those that has got name already but I do agree that if he really wants to fight, he can choose those low profile fighters.
But then, I guess there's this pride involve on him and that's why before he closes his doors to the sport that he loved and chose as his path, he want to make it remarkable.

[YuginKadoya]

Mark Magsayo lost again in a crucial fight for a belt, it is true no Filipino boxer right now doesn't have a belt, and it is really frustrating but at the same time feel's OK about it at the same time, but Here are the result of my picks

Brandon Figueroa VS Mark Magsayo - LOST

Jarrett Hurd VS Armando Resendiz - LOST

Amilcar Vidal VS Elijah Garcia - WIN

Terrell Gausha VS Brandyn Lynch - WIN

Enriko Gogokhia VS Samuel Teah - LOST

Justin DeLoach VS Travon Marshall - WIN

Daniel Blancas VS Kynndale Prather - WIN

Anthony Cuba VS Darel Harris - WIN

[Baofeng]

Mark Magsayo lost again in a crucial fight for a belt, it is true no Filipino boxer right now doesn't have a belt, and it is really frustrating but at the same time feel's OK about it at the same time, but Here are the result of my picks

We have 1 I believed and that is Melvin Jerusalem who won against the Masataka Taniguchi in Japan last January for the Minimumweight/Mini-Flyweight   105 lbs. And it was thought to be a good start for the Filipinos, unfortunately Mark lost again for the interim belt against Brandon Figueroa. But hopefully we can add another one or even two if Vincent Astrolabio or Nonito Donaire can with their respective championship match in the bantamweight division. We just had a drought actually, but for sure we will come back strong and bounce before the end of the year.

As for the lost of Jared Hurd against hard hitting Armando Reséndiz, I think it's enough for him though, long layoff, ring rust could attributed to his lost. But I think he doesn't have that that "thing" anymore to fight. Or if there is anything on that fight, Hurd seems to be out of his prime, poor defense, trying to do the shoulder roll which is not effective for him because he doesn't have the reflex anymore so it's hard to pull that style to a more quicker Reséndiz. One thing against Reséndiz in my opinion is that he is too small for 160 lbs.

[chaser15]

But hopefully we can add another one or even two if Vincent Astrolabio or Nonito Donaire can with their respective championship match in the bantamweight division. We just had a drought actually, but for sure we will come back strong and bounce before the end of the year.

If I'm not mistaken, it's only Vincent Astrolabio right now who's currently in their prime as a PH boxer that is close to having a shot at the world title right now with his upcoming fight against Emmanuel Rodriguez. Reymart Gaballo is another one that has the chance for a title match as long as he continues winning his next fights, probably against Nawaphon Kaikanha.

Nonito Donaire might also become a champion again but since he's already on the verge of retirement, expect that he won't hold the title for long. John Riel Casimero on the other hand is still looking for good fights as he's working his way up to the top rankings.

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

[Fredomago]

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

To be honest, even Casimero is still far from achieving another belt I still hoping that he will come back on that position, giving that opportunity I'm pretty sure that Casimero will not waste anything and he will prove that he's name should be on top the way it was when he still in his last division.

A Pacman 2.0? seems that with the current competitions, it's tough to earn that respect the way Pacquiao has when he's still actively fighting.

Not closing the door, but the chance for any Pinoy champ to achieve that is really slim.

[AmoreJaz]

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

To be honest, even Casimero is still far from achieving another belt I still hoping that he will come back on that position, giving that opportunity I'm pretty sure that Casimero will not waste anything and he will prove that he's name should be on top the way it was when he still in his last division.

A Pacman 2.0? seems that with the current competitions, it's tough to earn that respect the way Pacquiao has when he's still actively fighting.

Not closing the door, but the chance for any Pinoy champ to achieve that is really slim.

i guess the difference why the current filipino boxers can't attain what pacquiao achieved is the discipline. he was really determined to win every fight so the training he was subjected to was really intense and serious. whereas, these young boxers always have other issues like not achieving the required weight or not fully prepared. just look at casimero, how many times he had the weight problem? so am saying up until these boxers get serious about this sports, and don't let any detail derail them from fighting, they won't achieve even half of what pacquiao achieved on this sports. just sayin'

[serjent05]

But hopefully we can add another one or even two if Vincent Astrolabio or Nonito Donaire can with their respective championship match in the bantamweight division. We just had a drought actually, but for sure we will come back strong and bounce before the end of the year.

If I'm not mistaken, it's only Vincent Astrolabio right now who's currently in their prime as a PH boxer that is close to having a shot at the world title right now with his upcoming fight against Emmanuel Rodriguez. Reymart Gaballo is another one that has the chance for a title match as long as he continues winning his next fights, probably against Nawaphon Kaikanha.

Nonito Donaire might also become a champion again but since he's already on the verge of retirement, expect that he won't hold the title for long. John Riel Casimero on the other hand is still looking for good fights as he's working his way up to the top rankings.

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

Boxer like Manny Pacquiao is really rare, probably they appear once in every century.  Aside from that, I think the promoter also has something to do with Manny  Pacquiao's greatness.  Since they are the one organizing the fight.

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

To be honest, even Casimero is still far from achieving another belt I still hoping that he will come back on that position, giving that opportunity I'm pretty sure that Casimero will not waste anything and he will prove that he's name should be on top the way it was when he still in his last division.

A Pacman 2.0? seems that with the current competitions, it's tough to earn that respect the way Pacquiao has when he's still actively fighting.

Not closing the door, but the chance for any Pinoy champ to achieve that is really slim.

I agree that Casimero can't be compare to Manny Pacquiao, and also, he is far from having a title fight in his division since he just fought once.  It is just sad to think that Casimero is also nearing his decline.  Just two or three years, Casimero won't be on his prime anymore.

[goinmerry]

Unfortunately, there's no definite time for how long PH will wait for another Pacman 2.0 wannabee that can be close to having the same achievement.

To be honest, even Casimero is still far from achieving another belt I still hoping that he will come back on that position, giving that opportunity I'm pretty sure that Casimero will not waste anything and he will prove that he's name should be on top the way it was when he still in his last division.

A Pacman 2.0? seems that with the current competitions, it's tough to earn that respect the way Pacquiao has when he's still actively fighting.

Not closing the door, but the chance for any Pinoy champ to achieve that is really slim.

Pacquiao is unique as it's rare to see a PH boxer dominating the Welterweight Division and able to keep up in the Light Welterweight. It's not about PH boxers who should experience the same as Pacquiao did but maybe the point here is, a consistent champion that truly can dominate a certain division.

One of the best examples of that is, Gabriel "Flash" Elorde who dominates the Featherweight Division for 7 years and 2 months with 10 successful title defenses. Another one is, Nonito Donaire Jr. who becomes a world champion across three consecutive decades: the 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s, and is the oldest world title holder at the age of 39 when he beat Nordine Ouballi.

Mark Magsayo, as he was being discussed above, should take this losing experience to come back stronger next time. Pacquiao also loses on his career but was always able to come back stronger because of his serious approach to winning the next time he enters the ring.

[YuginKadoya]

~

We have 1 I believed and that is Melvin Jerusalem who won against the Masataka Taniguchi in Japan last January for the Minimumweight/Mini-Flyweight   105 lbs. And it was thought to be a good start for the Filipinos, unfortunately Mark lost again for the interim belt against Brandon Figueroa. But hopefully we can add another one or even two if Vincent Astrolabio or Nonito Donaire can with their respective championship match in the bantamweight division. We just had a drought actually, but for sure we will come back strong and bounce before the end of the year.

As for the lost of Jared Hurd against hard hitting Armando Reséndiz, I think it's enough for him though, long layoff, ring rust could attributed to his lost. But I think he doesn't have that that "thing" anymore to fight. Or if there is anything on that fight, Hurd seems to be out of his prime, poor defense, trying to do the shoulder roll which is not effective for him because he doesn't have the reflex anymore so it's hard to pull that style to a more quicker Reséndiz. One thing against Reséndiz in my opinion is that he is too small for 160 lbs.

Oh yes, I forgot that Melvin Jerusalem got the WBO mini-flyweight title and it was on January 6, I guess I don't remember because it was just a mini-flyweight title for the WBO but still a belt is still a belt that he brought for the country, while Mark Magsayo lost again and just like I thought his opponent Brandon Figueroa was really good and because of that added height and reach advantage Mark Magsayo is having a hard time, and yes waiting for the Vincent Astrolabio or Nonito Donaire fight that would be a good one to have,

Well, this is a sign for I think it was Jarrett Hurd, he needs to quit boxing but because he still wants a good last record in his career that is why he keeps on fighting, and every boxer wants a good record in their legacy, he got a smooth sailing 23 winning streak and then would lose to Julian Williams well Armando Reséndiz just created angles to make an opening to Jarrett Hurd's face,

[LUCKMCFLY]

^ Yes, Eddie Hearn wanted a Bivol vs Beterbiev and so is Bob Arum, so let's see how they are going to work it out.

Its just for now it's complicated as Bivol is targeting Canelo as well, either 168 or 175 lbs. And then Callum Smith is also coming into the horizon and also looking for a big payday against Beterbiev. We wait how the Smith vs Stepien result will be though, if he wins maybe Bivol is willing to fight him instead of waiting for Bivol.

Time is running out on Beterbiev though, I mean he is not getting any younger, if in two years, he didn't get Bivol it might be too late when the are going to face in the future and it might not be the fight that we are expecting for.

And so we might not see the unification fight in my opinion.

And they will have to go on their separate fight, Bivol vs Buatsi, Beterbiev vs Smith.

True, Beterbiev should not waste any more time as his power may slowly decline once he turns 40. I would like to see him have one more fight before a unification bout with Bivol, and after that, he can think about retiring if he fails. Speaking of Bivol, when do you think Canelo will have his rematch with Bivol?

Well, it is true that Beterbiev will be older, it is inevitable, but this is boxing, not football, a veteran boxer is very dangerous, and can make a difference with a young one, besides, Beterbiev is from the old school, he knows how to handle his time and knows very well when to give the maximum of his body, he is in control and that is something that I admire, in boxing intelligence must be applied a lot, on the other hand with Bivol and Canelo I don't know, I know that this clause is there, but Canelo, despite having a delicate hand, is still looking for more? He should take more care of himself, I don't know, sometimes a boxer exposes his health a lot. 

For now, that's not going to happen because both mentioned boxers are campaigning for a different belt, WBO for Moloney and WBC for Donaire but yes, maybe in the future, fate will make these two boxers collide with each other so that we can see who's who and which is which. But it's worth to note that Moloney declined the WBC's offer because he is facing Donaire, so that already means something and maybe he will duck again sometime soon until Donaire will retire.

Donaire will ask for 60% of the purse and the fight will stall. He is using his position to demand more money but I think it is because he is scared of losing and does not want that on his record close to his retirement and if he takes the fight he will want a lot of money for the risk. He could just schedule 2/3 lower profile fights and end his career and I think that will happen because there is no way his opponents will accept 30-40% of the purse to fight him.

He'll choose to what he thinks is right and fit as Donaire is close to retirement or it's like the last call and whatever the results will be, he's out but will be taking out all of the money that he's asked for the split share.
There's some pride on his name and that's why he'll choose those that has got name already but I do agree that if he really wants to fight, he can choose those low profile fighters.
But then, I guess there's this pride involve on him and that's why before he closes his doors to the sport that he loved and chose as his path, he want to make it remarkable.

Well in itself, boxers currently worry a lot about their income, the belts should be the only reason they should worry about, I know that at a professional level things seem more focused on money, but since they are boxers who have some Reputation and fame should fight, Moloney, on the other hand, should accept the fight with Donaire because what they say on social media is one thing, but another very different thing is that they have to fight for pleasure, because they want revenge, that's what they should keep in mind, do not miss that rivalry to say who is the best.

[bbc.reporter]

^ Yes, Eddie Hearn wanted a Bivol vs Beterbiev and so is Bob Arum, so let's see how they are going to work it out.

Its just for now it's complicated as Bivol is targeting Canelo as well, either 168 or 175 lbs. And then Callum Smith is also coming into the horizon and also looking for a big payday against Beterbiev. We wait how the Smith vs Stepien result will be though, if he wins maybe Bivol is willing to fight him instead of waiting for Bivol.

Time is running out on Beterbiev though, I mean he is not getting any younger, if in two years, he didn't get Bivol it might be too late when the are going to face in the future and it might not be the fight that we are expecting for.

And so we might not see the unification fight in my opinion.

And they will have to go on their separate fight, Bivol vs Buatsi, Beterbiev vs Smith.

True, Beterbiev should not waste any more time as his power may slowly decline once he turns 40. I would like to see him have one more fight before a unification bout with Bivol, and after that, he can think about retiring if he fails. Speaking of Bivol, when do you think Canelo will have his rematch with Bivol?

According to some news articles Bivol wants to unify the championships in his own division first before a rematch against Canelo. However, it appears Beterbiev does not want to fight Bivol. There are also other articles that Bivol vs. Beterbiev might occur on June.

My speculation is if Bivol cannot fight Beterbiev, he might be forced to accept a money deal for a rematch against Canelo on September.

[Oasisman]

Mark Magsayo lost again in a crucial fight for a belt, it is true no Filipino boxer right now doesn't have a belt, and it is really frustrating but at the same time feel's OK about it at the same time, but Here are the result of my picks

That was a good fight anyway. Everyone thought Magsayo is gonna win with a TKO judging on the early rounds where he landed good punches on Figueroa. However, Figueroa just showed what a good stamina and a good chin can do to last the fight and redeem yourself on the later rounds when your opponent is exhausted. Figueroa absorbed a lot of power punches, but didn't even get stunned. Magsayo on the other hand, got exhausted on the later rounds that resulted on a 2 point deduction due to holding. If he did not do that, he might have kissed the canvass already.
Well, that's how it is and the result should be. That was still a good fight.

[rodskee]

Donaire will ask for 60% of the purse and the fight will stall. He is using his position to demand more money but I think it is because he is scared of losing and does not want that on his record close to his retirement and if he takes the fight he will want a lot of money for the risk. He could just schedule 2/3 lower profile fights and end his career and I think that will happen because there is no way his opponents will accept 30-40% of the purse to fight him.

Hmm, Donaire scared of losing at this point in his career? I really doubt that.

If he does, then we shouldn't see him having a rematch with Naoya Inoue where he already knows how dominant the monster is during their first meetup even suffering a fatal blow from him but still ended with Inoue winning a "unanimous decision".

Using his position to demand more money? The WBC assigned his next scheduled fight for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title which does make sense because he's the current Rank 1 on WBC's bantamweight rankings and regardless of the split, it will be pushed through.

and also being a Boxer that has his Belt ? I think there is no room for being scared because if they do? then surely they have left the boxing area already or never step on it from the beginning.
and that rematch is already given that Japanese monster will again dominate the fight but Nonito come to fight him again for a chance of changing the part 2.

[danherbias07]

Mark Magsayo lost again in a crucial fight for a belt, it is true no Filipino boxer right now doesn't have a belt, and it is really frustrating but at the same time feel's OK about it at the same time, but Here are the result of my picks

That was a good fight anyway. Everyone thought Magsayo is gonna win with a TKO judging on the early rounds where he landed good punches on Figueroa. However, Figueroa just showed what a good stamina and a good chin can do to last the fight and redeem yourself on the later rounds when your opponent is exhausted. Figueroa absorbed a lot of power punches, but didn't even get stunned. Magsayo on the other hand, got exhausted on the later rounds that resulted on a 2 point deduction due to holding. If he did not do that, he might have kissed the canvass already.
Well, that's how it is and the result should be. That was still a good fight.

He was shaken a couple of times but he just smiled at it. That's how hard his chin is because he can just absorb it in just a short amount of time.

Anyway, as for Filipino boxers, aside from Nonito Donaire's upcoming match I have not heard any recent news/schedule about the other two who will be fighting for major titles. Gaballo and Vincent Astrolabio. Please do share if you sniffed some updates about it.

The next big one will be in the featherweight division. Number 1 Isaac Dogboe versus number 2 Robeisy Ramirez will be fighting for the vacant WBO belt. The one left by Emanuel Navarrete. April 1.

[Dave1]

^ Yes, Eddie Hearn wanted a Bivol vs Beterbiev and so is Bob Arum, so let's see how they are going to work it out.

Its just for now it's complicated as Bivol is targeting Canelo as well, either 168 or 175 lbs. And then Callum Smith is also coming into the horizon and also looking for a big payday against Beterbiev. We wait how the Smith vs Stepien result will be though, if he wins maybe Bivol is willing to fight him instead of waiting for Bivol.

Time is running out on Beterbiev though, I mean he is not getting any younger, if in two years, he didn't get Bivol it might be too late when the are going to face in the future and it might not be the fight that we are expecting for.

And so we might not see the unification fight in my opinion.

And they will have to go on their separate fight, Bivol vs Buatsi, Beterbiev vs Smith.

True, Beterbiev should not waste any more time as his power may slowly decline once he turns 40. I would like to see him have one more fight before a unification bout with Bivol, and after that, he can think about retiring if he fails. Speaking of Bivol, when do you think Canelo will have his rematch with Bivol?

According to some news articles Bivol wants to unify the championships in his own division first before a rematch against Canelo. However, it appears Beterbiev does not want to fight Bivol. There are also other articles that Bivol vs. Beterbiev might occur on June.

My speculation is if Bivol cannot fight Beterbiev, he might be forced to accept a money deal for a rematch against Canelo on September.

I thought Beterbiev wanted to fight Bivol as well? He even goes to the public and says that he wanted to unify,  but maybe Bob Arum doesn't want to as this point and let Beterbiev enjoy his win against Yarde. But I do believed sooner or later they are going to face each other in the future. And then Bivol going for Canelo's belt at 168 lbs.

[btc_angela]

Mark Magsayo lost again in a crucial fight for a belt, it is true no Filipino boxer right now doesn't have a belt, and it is really frustrating but at the same time feel's OK about it at the same time, but Here are the result of my picks

That was a good fight anyway. Everyone thought Magsayo is gonna win with a TKO judging on the early rounds where he landed good punches on Figueroa. However, Figueroa just showed what a good stamina and a good chin can do to last the fight and redeem yourself on the later rounds when your opponent is exhausted. Figueroa absorbed a lot of power punches, but didn't even get stunned. Magsayo on the other hand, got exhausted on the later rounds that resulted on a 2 point deduction due to holding. If he did not do that, he might have kissed the canvass already.
Well, that's how it is and the result should be. That was still a good fight.

Yes, it was Magsayo on the first half of the fight and then Figueroa took the second half specially in the championship rounds as Magsayo shows his weakness again, he runs out of gas in that fight, he as so tired that he just want to survived. But the score though, even if there is a 2 point deduction, it should be very close and when you look at the score, it seems that it was a domination by Figueroa but it is not. Anyhow, he is still very young, and make just a few tweaks on his training, he can be a world champion again.

[Jawhead999]

I thought Beterbiev wanted to fight Bivol as well? He even goes to the public and says that he wanted to unify,  but maybe Bob Arum doesn't want to as this point and let Beterbiev enjoy his win against Yarde. But I do believed sooner or later they are going to face each other in the future. And then Bivol going for Canelo's belt at 168 lbs.

It's unclear lol, if you search on google you will find the article where Beterbiev don't want to fight with Bivol and the other article said Beterbiev want to fight with Bivol. However I don't think Canelo will accept to have a rematch with Bivol at 168 lbs because will think what's the point if I win and didn't get anything? I believe the rematch will be at light heavyweight division, but they will offer higher payment to Bivol.