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April 16, 2016, 11:54:20 AM
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what i dont quite get is why Maidsafe has not launched yet?

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April 16, 2016, 04:01:52 PM
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Because they are in test phase...pretty simple procedure before you go live.

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April 16, 2016, 04:18:48 PM
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Because they are in test phase...pretty simple procedure before you go live.

but its been nearly nearly ready for ever afaik.

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April 16, 2016, 04:29:12 PM
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I don't see a problem here...it is going almost live after ten years of work...i think those months can be added also, don't you think?

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April 16, 2016, 08:02:43 PM
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what i dont quite get is why Maidsafe has not launched yet?

They had trouble finding investors. David (the founder) was talking about a build in coin system even before Bitcoin was out. So most of the time they were working a bit on the project and spent most time try to convince investors that their ideas were valid. Next thing Bitcoin shows up, making it more easy to explain the idea to people. They even used it to do their crowdfund over the Bitcoin blockchain using the mastercoin/omni protocol. They raised about 8 million in 48H. Since then they've build a team, changed from over 500K lines of code in C++ to under 30K in Rustlang. And now they're close to launch. Well, actually they did launch but it's still centralized running on their own 50 sever. Next step is to bring out the MVP which will allow people to run Vaults from home.  
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April 16, 2016, 10:48:09 PM
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Because they are in test phase...pretty simple procedure before you go live.

but its been nearly nearly ready for ever afaik.

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April 21, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
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Here's the latest Dev-Update:

MaidSafe Dev Update 21st April 2016

Yeah, community testing to a new level. You can now run a Vault from home and join the network. Not the MVP yet so you have to be a but technical...

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However... yes there is a however, if you are super keen to get involved in community Vault testing a little earlier - we are in the position to share Vault (TCP only) binaries that can be run from home (subject to some limitations please read before jumping in, details below). I really want to be 100% clear, this is NOT the MVP... I repeat ...not the MVP :wink: but it is a Vault running from your own computer and joining the SAFE Network (we are running 100 Vault nodes) - which is in itself extremely cool and another milestone as part of the rolling community testing release cycle.

So how do you do this…

safe_vault v0.6.0
Download safe_vault binary1 and unzip files.
To run a Vault, it is currently necessary to be either directly connected or forward a TCP port in your router and then specify the port you have forwarded within the Crust config file (safe_vault.crust.config).
At tcp_acceptor_port replace null with the port you forwarded e.g. 1234
Execute the binary (from the command line, although not necessary on Windows) - you have now joined a Vault to the SAFE Network :slight_smile:


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April 21, 2016, 08:35:56 PM
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Here's the latest Dev-Update:

MaidSafe Dev Update 21st April 2016

Yeah, community testing to a new level. You can now run a Vault from home and join the network. Not the MVP yet so you have to be a but technical...



Perhaps it's a coincidence, or I'm just overly skeptical, but the dev updates for the past month or two remind me a lot of the old darkcoin updates... meaning price manipulation.

New release <whenever> ... price rises... oops, problem ... price drops... all fixed...  repeat process, etc. etc.

Wasn't it a month ago where whomever was doing the updates was acting like the MVP was going to be released almost at any time... like a week or two away? This was back in March. I mean, how could it have been almost ready to release over a month ago when they didn't even do all of this testing?

Not stating this as FUD, or that I don't like the coin. Just that the Maid devs much watch the price like anyone else ... and they can easily impact it one way or another. Just seems weird how they can't simply state a realistic release date for the MVP. They should have just said May/June, but we'll do some testing earlier. But I guess that wouldn't have the same impact on the price.

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April 21, 2016, 08:51:37 PM
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Here's the latest Dev-Update:

MaidSafe Dev Update 21st April 2016

Yeah, community testing to a new level. You can now run a Vault from home and join the network. Not the MVP yet so you have to be a but technical...



Perhaps it's a coincidence, or I'm just overly skeptical, but the dev updates for the past month or two remind me a lot of the old darkcoin updates... meaning price manipulation.

New release <whenever> ... price rises... oops, problem ... price drops... all fixed...  repeat process, etc. etc.

Wasn't it a month ago where whomever was doing the updates was acting like the MVP was going to be released almost at any time... like a week or two away? This was back in March. I mean, how could it have been almost ready to release over a month ago when they didn't even do all of this testing?

Not stating this as FUD, or that I don't like the coin. Just that the Maid devs much watch the price like anyone else ... and they can easily impact it one way or another. Just seems weird how they can't simply state a realistic release date for the MVP. They should have just said May/June, but we'll do some testing earlier. But I guess that wouldn't have the same impact on the price.

I post most of the Dev-updates here, and I always copy what they say without changing their text. If you look back you see others posting one critical reply after the other and that's fine. The updates are weekly and for the last half year are about a network being run from people's home and they call it the MVP. So I think I get your point, but this is not really different from Ethereum community going wild because "Homestad is coming!". And as you might know most projects get delays. Most of the projects are on GitHub so devs could be excited saying something big is coming, but an easy check on their code could prove them wrong. I would be surprised if devs of cryptoprojects tried to rig markets and got away with it. People could easily see what they were trying. And to talk Maidsafe, they said last Tuesday that they delayed their update to Thursday. And they even said they wouldn't released a full MVP today. So that's even the opposite of what you are saying. I don't think they're pumping or dumping. I think it's just developing software and have a community that's excited about the idea.   
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April 21, 2016, 09:04:07 PM
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I post most of the Dev-updates here, and I always copy what they say without changing their text. If you look back you see others posting one critical reply after the other and that's fine. The updates are weekly and for the last half year are about a network being run from people's home and they call it the MVP. So I think I get your point, but this is not really different from Ethereum community going wild because "Homestad is coming!". And as you might know most projects get delays. Most of the projects are on GitHub so devs could be excited saying something big is coming, but an easy check on their code could prove them wrong. I would be surprised if devs of cryptoprojects tried to rig markets and got away with it. People could easily see what they were trying. And to talk Maidsafe, they said last Tuesday that they delayed their update to Thursday. And they even said they wouldn't released a full MVP today. So that's even the opposite of what you are saying. I don't think they're pumping or dumping. I think it's just developing software and have a community that's excited about the idea.   

Posting here is fine (I didn't mean to disparage anyone posting update info in the forums). Hype from people posting is fine (and expected). I just found it weird how the MVP was supposed to be released a month or so ago, and it's still in testing. Problems happen, delays happen, that's perfectly understood. But the tone of the updates last month was pretty much: 'Okay, maybe this week... couple of days... almost there'. Yet they hadn't even started public testing yet.  So they really knew it couldn't be just a week or two away, if they didn't even start real testing.  That just strikes me as price manipulation (or really, really poor planning skills).

As for this most recent update, I didn't expect the MVP (as you say, they already stated it wouldn't be released now). I guess it just reminded me of the fact that over a month ago it was supposed to be ready, and their idea of 'good news' may not exactly be the same as investor good news.

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April 22, 2016, 03:32:17 AM
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maid is always just about ready.

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April 25, 2016, 12:10:34 AM
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maid is always just about ready.

Maid is just really looking ill.
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April 25, 2016, 12:33:15 AM
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maid is always just about ready.

Maid is just really looking ill.

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April 26, 2016, 01:17:48 PM
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There was a Pre-Dev-Update yesterday. The weekly Dev-Update will come today.

MaidSafe Pre-Dev-Update Update 25th April 2016

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April 26, 2016, 05:13:09 PM
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I post most of the Dev-updates here, and I always copy what they say without changing their text. If you look back you see others posting one critical reply after the other and that's fine. The updates are weekly and for the last half year are about a network being run from people's home and they call it the MVP. So I think I get your point, but this is not really different from Ethereum community going wild because "Homestad is coming!". And as you might know most projects get delays. Most of the projects are on GitHub so devs could be excited saying something big is coming, but an easy check on their code could prove them wrong. I would be surprised if devs of cryptoprojects tried to rig markets and got away with it. People could easily see what they were trying. And to talk Maidsafe, they said last Tuesday that they delayed their update to Thursday. And they even said they wouldn't released a full MVP today. So that's even the opposite of what you are saying. I don't think they're pumping or dumping. I think it's just developing software and have a community that's excited about the idea.   

Posting here is fine (I didn't mean to disparage anyone posting update info in the forums). Hype from people posting is fine (and expected). I just found it weird how the MVP was supposed to be released a month or so ago, and it's still in testing. Problems happen, delays happen, that's perfectly understood. But the tone of the updates last month was pretty much: 'Okay, maybe this week... couple of days... almost there'. Yet they hadn't even started public testing yet.  So they really knew it couldn't be just a week or two away, if they didn't even start real testing.  That just strikes me as price manipulation (or really, really poor planning skills).

As for this most recent update, I didn't expect the MVP (as you say, they already stated it wouldn't be released now). I guess it just reminded me of the fact that over a month ago it was supposed to be ready, and their idea of 'good news' may not exactly be the same as investor good news.

It also bothers me the tone of the dev updates is indistinguishable from ad copy.  It's entirely too full of pom-pom waving cheerleader rah-rah happy talk and blatant attempts to stoke irrational exuberance, exactly like Paycoin ("hey guys, we're super-excited about our super-awesome future of super-features coming super-soon!1!!").  And the posters on the Maid forum are even worse; it's like the old GAW community is having a reunion.


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April 26, 2016, 05:27:27 PM
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It also bothers me the tone of the dev updates is indistinguishable from ad copy.  It's entirely too full of pom-pom waving cheerleader rah-rah happy talk and blatant attempts to stoke irrational exuberance, exactly like Paycoin ("hey guys, we're super-excited about our super-awesome future of super-features coming super-soon!1!!").  And the posters on the Maid forum are even worse; it's like the old GAW community is having a reunion.

That doesn't really bother me much, as it's really to be expected. I've seen similar enthusiasm in dev updates for non-crypto projects too. Its just a way to create an incentive for those involved in the project (or in this case, investors). So long as it's reasonable, it's not a huge deal.

As for posters in the forum, again, to be expected. I've seen much, much worse from other coins/threads here.

I simply didn't like how they presented their timeline, as the way the dev updates were worded they certainly gave the indication that the MVP would ready 'any day now'. When devs do things like that (at least for other coins), I just recall it feeling like price manipulation (again, darkcoin, or cloakcoin, or the million other coins with staggered updates/release points). Either that, or it was poor planning.

Still wouldn't surprise me to see the devs come out and say, okay, all ready, today is the day ... after the coin has sunk down (already has sunk a lot)... after someone bought up a bunch of coins ... and then see a nice price rise. But again that fits into the price manipulation thing.

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April 26, 2016, 06:01:33 PM
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It also bothers me the tone of the dev updates is indistinguishable from ad copy.  It's entirely too full of pom-pom waving cheerleader rah-rah happy talk and blatant attempts to stoke irrational exuberance, exactly like Paycoin ("hey guys, we're super-excited about our super-awesome future of super-features coming super-soon!1!!").  And the posters on the Maid forum are even worse; it's like the old GAW community is having a reunion.

Why do you still come here then? And why are you visiting their forum? Why not pick another project instead of following this one?
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It also bothers me the tone of the dev updates is indistinguishable from ad copy.  It's entirely too full of pom-pom waving cheerleader rah-rah happy talk and blatant attempts to stoke irrational exuberance, exactly like Paycoin ("hey guys, we're super-excited about our super-awesome future of super-features coming super-soon!1!!").  And the posters on the Maid forum are even worse; it's like the old GAW community is having a reunion.

Why do you still come here then? And why are you visiting their forum? Why not pick another project instead of following this one?

That's right, focus on the messenger in order to distract from the message.

Don't blame me for Maid's MVP being delayed.

Not my fault Maid's "double charging" model is intrinsically flawed and its rent-seeking dreams are doomed to fail.

Sorry IPFS, ZERONET, and now http://www.fermat.org/ offer better service than Maid, at no charge.


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April 26, 2016, 06:24:23 PM
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It also bothers me the tone of the dev updates is indistinguishable from ad copy.  It's entirely too full of pom-pom waving cheerleader rah-rah happy talk and blatant attempts to stoke irrational exuberance, exactly like Paycoin ("hey guys, we're super-excited about our super-awesome future of super-features coming super-soon!1!!").  And the posters on the Maid forum are even worse; it's like the old GAW community is having a reunion.

Why do you still come here then? And why are you visiting their forum? Why not pick another project instead of following this one?

That's right, focus on the messenger in order to distract from the message.

Don't blame me for Maid's MVP being delayed.

Not my fault Maid's "double charging" model is intrinsically flawed and its rent-seeking dreams are doomed to fail.

Sorry IPFS, ZERONET, and now http://www.fermat.org/ offer better service than Maid, at no charge.

Like I thought, you don't know the answer to my question yourself. You really don't like Maidsafe but you keep checking this forum and theirs as well. It's almost funny  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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