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[mamamae]

[poornamelessme]

Here's the latest Dev-Update:

MaidSafe Dev Update 21st April 2016

Yeah, community testing to a new level. You can now run a Vault from home and join the network. Not the MVP yet so you have to be a but technical...

Perhaps it's a coincidence, or I'm just overly skeptical, but the dev updates for the past month or two remind me a lot of the old darkcoin updates... meaning price manipulation.

New release <whenever> ... price rises... oops, problem ... price drops... all fixed...  repeat process, etc. etc.

Wasn't it a month ago where whomever was doing the updates was acting like the MVP was going to be released almost at any time... like a week or two away? This was back in March. I mean, how could it have been almost ready to release over a month ago when they didn't even do all of this testing?

Not stating this as FUD, or that I don't like the coin. Just that the Maid devs much watch the price like anyone else ... and they can easily impact it one way or another. Just seems weird how they can't simply state a realistic release date for the MVP. They should have just said May/June, but we'll do some testing earlier. But I guess that wouldn't have the same impact on the price.

[zeeman]

Here's the latest Dev-Update:

MaidSafe Dev Update 21st April 2016

Yeah, community testing to a new level. You can now run a Vault from home and join the network. Not the MVP yet so you have to be a but technical...

Perhaps it's a coincidence, or I'm just overly skeptical, but the dev updates for the past month or two remind me a lot of the old darkcoin updates... meaning price manipulation.

New release <whenever> ... price rises... oops, problem ... price drops... all fixed...  repeat process, etc. etc.

Wasn't it a month ago where whomever was doing the updates was acting like the MVP was going to be released almost at any time... like a week or two away? This was back in March. I mean, how could it have been almost ready to release over a month ago when they didn't even do all of this testing?

Not stating this as FUD, or that I don't like the coin. Just that the Maid devs much watch the price like anyone else ... and they can easily impact it one way or another. Just seems weird how they can't simply state a realistic release date for the MVP. They should have just said May/June, but we'll do some testing earlier. But I guess that wouldn't have the same impact on the price.

I post most of the Dev-updates here, and I always copy what they say without changing their text. If you look back you see others posting one critical reply after the other and that's fine. The updates are weekly and for the last half year are about a network being run from people's home and they call it the MVP. So I think I get your point, but this is not really different from Ethereum community going wild because "Homestad is coming!". And as you might know most projects get delays. Most of the projects are on GitHub so devs could be excited saying something big is coming, but an easy check on their code could prove them wrong. I would be surprised if devs of cryptoprojects tried to rig markets and got away with it. People could easily see what they were trying. And to talk Maidsafe, they said last Tuesday that they delayed their update to Thursday. And they even said they wouldn't released a full MVP today. So that's even the opposite of what you are saying. I don't think they're pumping or dumping. I think it's just developing software and have a community that's excited about the idea.   

[poornamelessme]

I post most of the Dev-updates here, and I always copy what they say without changing their text. If you look back you see others posting one critical reply after the other and that's fine. The updates are weekly and for the last half year are about a network being run from people's home and they call it the MVP. So I think I get your point, but this is not really different from Ethereum community going wild because "Homestad is coming!". And as you might know most projects get delays. Most of the projects are on GitHub so devs could be excited saying something big is coming, but an easy check on their code could prove them wrong. I would be surprised if devs of cryptoprojects tried to rig markets and got away with it. People could easily see what they were trying. And to talk Maidsafe, they said last Tuesday that they delayed their update to Thursday. And they even said they wouldn't released a full MVP today. So that's even the opposite of what you are saying. I don't think they're pumping or dumping. I think it's just developing software and have a community that's excited about the idea.   

Posting here is fine (I didn't mean to disparage anyone posting update info in the forums). Hype from people posting is fine (and expected). I just found it weird how the MVP was supposed to be released a month or so ago, and it's still in testing. Problems happen, delays happen, that's perfectly understood. But the tone of the updates last month was pretty much: 'Okay, maybe this week... couple of days... almost there'. Yet they hadn't even started public testing yet.  So they really knew it couldn't be just a week or two away, if they didn't even start real testing.  That just strikes me as price manipulation (or really, really poor planning skills).

As for this most recent update, I didn't expect the MVP (as you say, they already stated it wouldn't be released now). I guess it just reminded me of the fact that over a month ago it was supposed to be ready, and their idea of 'good news' may not exactly be the same as investor good news.

[jubalix]

maid is always just about ready.

[Dogstar12]

maid is always just about ready.

Maid is just really looking ill.

[iCEBREAKER]

maid is always just about ready.

Maid is just really looking ill.

Maid is just about ready....

[zeeman]

There was a Pre-Dev-Update yesterday. The weekly Dev-Update will come today.

MaidSafe Pre-Dev-Update Update 25th April 2016

Follow the development through GitHub/Maidsafe.

[iCEBREAKER]

I post most of the Dev-updates here, and I always copy what they say without changing their text. If you look back you see others posting one critical reply after the other and that's fine. The updates are weekly and for the last half year are about a network being run from people's home and they call it the MVP. So I think I get your point, but this is not really different from Ethereum community going wild because "Homestad is coming!". And as you might know most projects get delays. Most of the projects are on GitHub so devs could be excited saying something big is coming, but an easy check on their code could prove them wrong. I would be surprised if devs of cryptoprojects tried to rig markets and got away with it. People could easily see what they were trying. And to talk Maidsafe, they said last Tuesday that they delayed their update to Thursday. And they even said they wouldn't released a full MVP today. So that's even the opposite of what you are saying. I don't think they're pumping or dumping. I think it's just developing software and have a community that's excited about the idea.   

Posting here is fine (I didn't mean to disparage anyone posting update info in the forums). Hype from people posting is fine (and expected). I just found it weird how the MVP was supposed to be released a month or so ago, and it's still in testing. Problems happen, delays happen, that's perfectly understood. But the tone of the updates last month was pretty much: 'Okay, maybe this week... couple of days... almost there'. Yet they hadn't even started public testing yet.  So they really knew it couldn't be just a week or two away, if they didn't even start real testing.  That just strikes me as price manipulation (or really, really poor planning skills).

As for this most recent update, I didn't expect the MVP (as you say, they already stated it wouldn't be released now). I guess it just reminded me of the fact that over a month ago it was supposed to be ready, and their idea of 'good news' may not exactly be the same as investor good news.

It also bothers me the tone of the dev updates is indistinguishable from ad copy.  It's entirely too full of pom-pom waving cheerleader rah-rah happy talk and blatant attempts to stoke irrational exuberance, exactly like Paycoin ("hey guys, we're super-excited about our super-awesome future of super-features coming super-soon!1!!").  And the posters on the Maid forum are even worse; it's like the old GAW community is having a reunion.

[poornamelessme]

It also bothers me the tone of the dev updates is indistinguishable from ad copy.  It's entirely too full of pom-pom waving cheerleader rah-rah happy talk and blatant attempts to stoke irrational exuberance, exactly like Paycoin ("hey guys, we're super-excited about our super-awesome future of super-features coming super-soon!1!!").  And the posters on the Maid forum are even worse; it's like the old GAW community is having a reunion.

That doesn't really bother me much, as it's really to be expected. I've seen similar enthusiasm in dev updates for non-crypto projects too. Its just a way to create an incentive for those involved in the project (or in this case, investors). So long as it's reasonable, it's not a huge deal.

As for posters in the forum, again, to be expected. I've seen much, much worse from other coins/threads here.

I simply didn't like how they presented their timeline, as the way the dev updates were worded they certainly gave the indication that the MVP would ready 'any day now'. When devs do things like that (at least for other coins), I just recall it feeling like price manipulation (again, darkcoin, or cloakcoin, or the million other coins with staggered updates/release points). Either that, or it was poor planning.

Still wouldn't surprise me to see the devs come out and say, okay, all ready, today is the day ... after the coin has sunk down (already has sunk a lot)... after someone bought up a bunch of coins ... and then see a nice price rise. But again that fits into the price manipulation thing.

[zeeman]

It also bothers me the tone of the dev updates is indistinguishable from ad copy.  It's entirely too full of pom-pom waving cheerleader rah-rah happy talk and blatant attempts to stoke irrational exuberance, exactly like Paycoin ("hey guys, we're super-excited about our super-awesome future of super-features coming super-soon!1!!").  And the posters on the Maid forum are even worse; it's like the old GAW community is having a reunion.

Why do you still come here then? And why are you visiting their forum? Why not pick another project instead of following this one?

[iCEBREAKER]

It also bothers me the tone of the dev updates is indistinguishable from ad copy.  It's entirely too full of pom-pom waving cheerleader rah-rah happy talk and blatant attempts to stoke irrational exuberance, exactly like Paycoin ("hey guys, we're super-excited about our super-awesome future of super-features coming super-soon!1!!").  And the posters on the Maid forum are even worse; it's like the old GAW community is having a reunion.

Why do you still come here then? And why are you visiting their forum? Why not pick another project instead of following this one?

That's right, focus on the messenger in order to distract from the message.

Don't blame me for Maid's MVP being delayed.

Not my fault Maid's "double charging" model is intrinsically flawed and its rent-seeking dreams are doomed to fail.

Sorry IPFS, ZERONET, and now http://www.fermat.org/ offer better service than Maid, at no charge.

[zeeman]

It also bothers me the tone of the dev updates is indistinguishable from ad copy.  It's entirely too full of pom-pom waving cheerleader rah-rah happy talk and blatant attempts to stoke irrational exuberance, exactly like Paycoin ("hey guys, we're super-excited about our super-awesome future of super-features coming super-soon!1!!").  And the posters on the Maid forum are even worse; it's like the old GAW community is having a reunion.

Why do you still come here then? And why are you visiting their forum? Why not pick another project instead of following this one?

That's right, focus on the messenger in order to distract from the message.

Don't blame me for Maid's MVP being delayed.

Not my fault Maid's "double charging" model is intrinsically flawed and its rent-seeking dreams are doomed to fail.

Sorry IPFS, ZERONET, and now http://www.fermat.org/ offer better service than Maid, at no charge.

Like I thought, you don't know the answer to my question yourself. You really don't like Maidsafe but you keep checking this forum and theirs as well. It's almost funny 

[poornamelessme]

Why do you still come here then? And why are you visiting their forum? Why not pick another project instead of following this one?

I assume anyone repeatedly posting negatively in a thread here either wants to buy cheap coins, sold their coins and doesn't want to see a price rise, or has some other monetary goal in mind. Either that, or they just have troll-ish tendencies. Posting critical comments once in a while or even full blown negative comments occasionally is fine ... but those folks who stick around seemingly forever either have way too much time on their hands, or want to see the price rise or fall (applies to hype as much as it does to fud). This forum is very troll-box like unfortunately.

[iCEBREAKER]

Why do you still come here then? And why are you visiting their forum? Why not pick another project instead of following this one?

I assume anyone repeatedly posting negatively in a thread here either wants to buy cheap coins, sold their coins and doesn't want to see a price rise, or has some other monetary goal in mind. Either that, or they just have troll-ish tendencies. Posting critical comments once in a while or even full blown negative comments occasionally is fine ... but those folks who stick around seemingly forever either have way too much time on their hands, or want to see the price rise or fall (applies to hype as much as it does to fud). This forum is very troll-box like unfortunately.

Let's get back to discussing Maid (this isn't an iCEBREAKER fangurl thread, no matter how much you two like to gossip).

WHERE IS THE MVP WE WERE PROMISED OVER A MONTH AGO?

[zeeman]

Here's the latest Dev-Update.

MaidSafe Dev Update 26th April 2016

Follow the development through GitHub/Maidsafe.

Back into the Tuesday Dev Update cycle :slight_smile: . As you will see from the section below about our findings from Thursday's testing roll-out and the individual library sections, most of the team have focused on implementing improvements into the next network iteration. The guys are currently testing these and once happy we shall roll out new binaries ready for the next phase of community testing.

@adam has been busy working on automating the deployment process by implementing rust_everywhere into our CI system to automatically create Github releases on every version bump. He is also implementing auto Docker image creation, so deploying an up-to-date Docker container should soon be a very simple task.

So a lot has been happening since last Thursday, on with the update...

Findings from the last testnet iteration
Firstly, thanks to those who participated in last week's community testing phase, your participation is extremely helpful and is very much appreciated. As covered in forum posts from @dirvine and in yesterday's Pre-Dev-Update Update post,2 during the testnet we found improvements in:

- Churn handling (we were way too aggressive there);
- Network segmentation prevention (this one was really important for us);
- Huge improvements in mass network startup;
- Improved error / warning messages for early testers.

For more detail on how these findings have shaped the Dev team's focus and efforts since Friday it is well worth checking out yesterday's forum post (link above). I will not duplicate everything here, but as David pointed out it was indeed enlightening and helps move us forward towards our ultimate goal - launching the network.

We have been testing the next Vault release (which incorporates these improvements) today internally and the Devs are keen to ensure that the community experiences increased stability in this test roll-out.

[zeeman]

latest update by David

[jasemoney]

Id love to test and have a spare drive i can devote to resources on an always on machine. im sure its in here somewhere but if anyone has links handy or would know whens a good time to start testing/contributing resources maybe post some links or info.

[zeeman]

Id love to test and have a spare drive i can devote to resources on an always on machine. im sure its in here somewhere but if anyone has links handy or would know whens a good time to start testing/contributing resources maybe post some links or info.

Check their forum. It will be pinnend on top when the new testnet goes live. Including the links to the software for the Vaults and Clients.

SAFE Network Forum

[_Victory_]

I have been hearing people dump fud on maid for two years now, and yet the project keeps making progress.
Dont worry about delays, its a normal part of the dev process.