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December 20, 2014, 12:56:47 PM
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you call yourself a developer yet you don't even know that freenode blocks TOR?

fekkin noob!!!! ====> i got you guys listed on cryptsy now you never pay me my 200 clams.


thats what this is all about ,  you really that greedy?


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Man, I keep getting sucked in but your reading comprehension is obviously 0 so I feel I have to keep explaining things to you like I would a child and hope you might eventually get it.
https://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor    and  https://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor  ..   No, they don't block tor but awesome job at using google!

None of the devs/creators of clams offered you anything.

We have barely anything to offer (no premine) and what we do have in our own personal stashes we certainly wouldn't give to maybe be put on an exchange. We wouldn't even give it to definitely be put on an exchange.  We've used our own personal funds for ports of bitcore/insight tipbots for irc/reddit, useful things that will better the ecosystem.

Your idea of what a developer is is every bit as silly as what your idea of freespeech is.

Were not magical all knowing beings.. but we can certainly find the information when its relevant and needed.  

Thanks for you post friend.  






^^^^
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====> let me make this simple : i got you listed on cryptsy = where is my 200 clams


~ and maybe you can connect with some extensions, but no! >> freenode irc blocks most TOR exit nodes so stfu and do your own homework.

fyi: warning I know insiders at okcoin and most all other exchanges so if this is how you do business~ the bitcoin community wants nothing to do with your fraud.


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December 20, 2014, 01:12:17 PM
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^^^^
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====> let me make this simple : i got you listed on cryptsy = where is my 200 clams


~ and maybe you can connect with some extensions, but no! >> freenode irc blocks most TOR exit nodes so stfu and do your own homework.

fyi: warning I know insiders at okcoin and most all other exchanges so if this is how you do business~ the bitcoin community wants nothing to do with your fraud.


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December 20, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
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you call yourself a developer yet you don't even know that freenode blocks TOR?

fekkin noob!!!! ====> i got you guys listed on cryptsy now you never pay me my 200 clams.


thats what this is all about ,  you really that greedy?


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~ take a look at yourself!!!!


Man, I keep getting sucked in but your reading comprehension is obviously 0 so I feel I have to keep explaining things to you like I would a child and hope you might eventually get it.
https://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor    and  https://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor  ..   No, they don't block tor but awesome job at using google!

None of the devs/creators of clams offered you anything.

We have barely anything to offer (no premine) and what we do have in our own personal stashes we certainly wouldn't give to maybe be put on an exchange. We wouldn't even give it to definitely be put on an exchange.  We've used our own personal funds for ports of bitcore/insight tipbots for irc/reddit, useful things that will better the ecosystem.

Your idea of what a developer is is every bit as silly as what your idea of freespeech is.

Were not magical all knowing beings.. but we can certainly find the information when its relevant and needed.  

Thanks for you post friend.  






^^^^
tl;dr



====> let me make this simple : i got you listed on cryptsy = where is my 200 clams


~ and maybe you can connect with some extensions, but no! >> freenode irc blocks most TOR exit nodes so stfu and do your own homework.

fyi: warning I know insiders at okcoin and most all other exchanges so if this is how you do business~ the bitcoin community wants nothing to do with your fraud.


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/\you better stop and think before you keep spouting this falsehoods
Where were you promised 200 CLAMs, exactly?

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December 20, 2014, 01:19:54 PM
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Where were you promised 200 CLAMs, exactly?

He wasn't. 

Just ignore him lol he's being a fuck face.

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December 20, 2014, 01:33:19 PM
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you call yourself a developer yet you don't even know that freenode blocks TOR?

fekkin noob!!!! ====> i got you guys listed on cryptsy now you never pay me my 200 clams.


thats what this is all about ,  you really that greedy?


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~ take a look at yourself!!!!


Man, I keep getting sucked in but your reading comprehension is obviously 0 so I feel I have to keep explaining things to you like I would a child and hope you might eventually get it.
https://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor    and  https://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor  ..   No, they don't block tor but awesome job at using google!

None of the devs/creators of clams offered you anything.

We have barely anything to offer (no premine) and what we do have in our own personal stashes we certainly wouldn't give to maybe be put on an exchange. We wouldn't even give it to definitely be put on an exchange.  We've used our own personal funds for ports of bitcore/insight tipbots for irc/reddit, useful things that will better the ecosystem.

Your idea of what a developer is is every bit as silly as what your idea of freespeech is.

Were not magical all knowing beings.. but we can certainly find the information when its relevant and needed.  

Thanks for you post friend.  






^^^^
tl;dr



====> let me make this simple : i got you listed on cryptsy = where is my 200 clams


~ and maybe you can connect with some extensions, but no! >> freenode irc blocks most TOR exit nodes so stfu and do your own homework.

fyi: warning I know insiders at okcoin and most all other exchanges so if this is how you do business~ the bitcoin community wants nothing to do with your fraud.


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/\you better stop and think before you keep spouting this falsehoods
Where were you promised 200 CLAMs, exactly?


on #clams irc ( before they censored me for nothing )


honestly i asked up front for the clams and they refused.

so BayAreaCoins said something like get us listed FIRST and i'd be happy to give you 200 clams.

===> so i work around the clock to get us listed on cryptsy and other major exchanges and look how these greedy people act over such a small amount of coins.


How many clams are outstanding? = like millions and millions and you trying to say 200 clams is even a big deal? oh lawd ...obviously we have a problem here

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December 20, 2014, 01:43:08 PM
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Where were you promised 200 CLAMs, exactly?

He wasn't. 

Just ignore him lol he's being a fuck face.



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December 20, 2014, 01:46:38 PM
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Where were you promised 200 CLAMs, exactly?

He wasn't. 

Just ignore him lol he's being a fuck face.

He could give us the message or quote the sentence when he was supposedly promised the CLAMS but he can't.
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December 20, 2014, 02:51:10 PM
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Where were you promised 200 CLAMs, exactly?

He wasn't.  

Just ignore him lol he's being a fuck face.

He could give us the message or quote the sentence when he was supposedly promised the CLAMS but he can't.



/\ask BayAreaCoins!!! lol he has it!  Wink  = real talk...do i really need to post it here? haha
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December 20, 2014, 02:54:46 PM
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Where were you promised 200 CLAMs, exactly?

He wasn't.  

Just ignore him lol he's being a fuck face.

He could give us the message or quote the sentence when he was supposedly promised the CLAMS but he can't.

I see no CLAM on OKcoin for the 100 CLAM we agreed to! That is like 20,000 on leverage Wink omg omg

/\ask BayAreaCoins!!! lol he has it!  Wink  = real talk...do i really need to post it here? haha

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December 20, 2014, 04:04:54 PM
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Where were you promised 200 CLAMs, exactly?

He wasn't.  

Just ignore him lol he's being a fuck face.

He could give us the message or quote the sentence when he was supposedly promised the CLAMS but he can't.

I see no CLAM on OKcoin for the 100 CLAM we agreed to! That is like 20,000 on leverage Wink omg omg

/\ask BayAreaCoins!!! lol he has it!  Wink  = real talk...do i really need to post it here? haha



/\busted!!!   no you said 200 however i'll take 100 and settle this like a man Wink "greed is good"-GG
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December 20, 2014, 04:09:56 PM
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Where were you promised 200 CLAMs, exactly?

He wasn't.  

Just ignore him lol he's being a fuck face.

He could give us the message or quote the sentence when he was supposedly promised the CLAMS but he can't.

I see no CLAM on OKcoin for the 100 CLAM we agreed to! That is like 20,000 on leverage Wink omg omg

/\ask BayAreaCoins!!! lol he has it!  Wink  = real talk...do i really need to post it here? haha



/\busted!!!   no you said 200 however i'll take 100 and settle this like a man Wink

I see no OKcoin deposit for CLAM Cry

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December 20, 2014, 04:17:23 PM
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Is poloniex down only for me Huh?

Nope, same for everyone. They are having issues at the datacentre which hosts the site according to thier twitter page

Cryptsy has CLAM/BTC now and hopefully CLAM/LTC soon.

https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/CLAM_BTC

Polo is shit. I'd trust Cryptsy with way more personally.

Oh man, not cryptsy... I agree that polo is problematic as well, but cryptsy is not good for coins that stake. They have a bad rep on staked coins for camping on the rewarded coins in the staking process.
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December 20, 2014, 04:34:27 PM
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Where were you promised 200 CLAMs, exactly?

He wasn't.  

Just ignore him lol he's being a fuck face.

He could give us the message or quote the sentence when he was supposedly promised the CLAMS but he can't.

I see no CLAM on OKcoin for the 100 CLAM we agreed to! That is like 20,000 on leverage Wink omg omg

/\ask BayAreaCoins!!! lol he has it!  Wink  = real talk...do i really need to post it here? haha



/\busted!!!   no you said 200 however i'll take 100 and settle this like a man Wink

I see no OKcoin deposit for CLAM Cry

No ticky, No laundry.




i'm not going to get you guys added to any more exchanges at this rate.


100 clams or don't ask me for shit!    :\     ~am i being greedy?
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December 20, 2014, 07:47:23 PM
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i'm not going to get you guys added to any more exchanges at this rate.

You didn't get CLAM listed on Cryptsy. It happened, but you didn't cause it to happen. You always seem to struggle with causality.

100 clams or don't ask me for shit!    :\     ~am i being greedy?

Nobody is asking you for anything, and yes you're being greedy. Now go away please.

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December 20, 2014, 09:31:46 PM
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anyone else successfully stake any pile lately, except just-dice?
I finally got one pile to stake today but unfortunately it gets rejected Cry
also how bout the rule of 51% attack?
since dooglus' just-dice is staking more than 51% of the clams, hence having 51%+ hashing power
wouldn't that be easy for him to do 51% attack? just-a-thought and not accusing

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December 20, 2014, 10:47:12 PM
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anyone else successfully stake any pile lately, except just-dice?
I finally got one pile to stake today but unfortunately it gets rejected Cry
also how bout the rule of 51% attack?
since dooglus' just-dice is staking more than 51% of the clams, hence having 51%+ hashing power
wouldn't that be easy for him to do 51% attack? just-a-thought and not accusing
i havent stake for many days too...Sad
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anyone else successfully stake any pile lately, except just-dice?
I finally got one pile to stake today but unfortunately it gets rejected Cry
also how bout the rule of 51% attack?
since dooglus' just-dice is staking more than 51% of the clams, hence having 51%+ hashing power
wouldn't that be easy for him to do 51% attack? just-a-thought and not accusing

That should be easy enough to check. Go to http://khashier.com/ and click the blue block number. It's currently 260452. The link takes me to http://khashier.com/block/d84202ff3e357f5faab4b468c95cf8db83e25252f7a9c24aab5bd32ef825fb2b - look at the 2nd transaction to see who staked the block - it was xJDCLAMZ - that's JD.

Click "Previous Block" to step back through the blocks:

260451 was also staked by JD - keep stepping back.

Eventually I get to block 260447 which was staked by xTZhVaTWpvScakxuhiurLQs2pVUSeK7pjq

On JD:

> validateaddress xTZhVaTWpvScakxuhiurLQs2pVUSeK7pjq
{
    "isvalid" : true,
    "address" : "xTZhVaTWpvScakxuhiurLQs2pVUSeK7pjq",
    "ismine" : false
}

ie. it's not one of ours. Almost all the JD CLAMs are in the xJDCLAMZ address, to make it possible for people to check JD's solvency, and to know which blocks JD is staking.

So yeah, blocks 260448 through 260452 were all staked by JD, but block 260447 wasn't.

We have much more than 51% of the staking power, and so could reject all blocks staked by other people, but we don't. It wouldn't be good for CLAM in general to have JD abusing its position.

If I run 'getstakinginfo' for the JD bankroll, I see:

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   "weight" : 201619.54304143,
    "netstakeweight" : 277407.71838880,

ie. we are currently 201619.54304143 * 100/ 277407.71838880 = 72.68% of the staking weight.

and if I look at https://just-dice.com/wagered.txt, I see:

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     date          wagered     site profit          staked
---------- ---------------- --------------- ---------------
2014-12-06   21605.71219035     93.03317831      7.00040000
2014-12-07   73133.92487834   2364.67604652    314.01580000
2014-12-08   25685.58250766   2862.57147452    469.07910000
2014-12-09   84660.64450627   1792.98820790    524.06560000
2014-12-10   23848.60466994    -56.70526901    713.45070000
2014-12-11   11987.83799747   1317.19384883    782.54948868
2014-12-12   13479.68017232    348.38670880    735.79650000
2014-12-13   16508.67010791    426.85827642    981.65776685
2014-12-14  164133.46963259   3518.85897071   1057.87910000
2014-12-15   76284.70042818   2092.10884507   1045.82650000
2014-12-16   18907.27491911    748.87785165   1148.82220000
2014-12-17   29935.21894455    351.21818672   1149.39300000
2014-12-18   19100.66624692    179.11417573   1183.61300000
2014-12-19   18047.43147282   -861.57238363   1148.81100000

ie. we are staking around 1150 blocks per day. That is 1150 * 100.0 / (60*24) = 79.86% of the daily blocks.

Those numbers (72% and 79%) aren't as close as I would expect, but at least they're in the same ballpark. Maybe the whole network is actually staking more than 60*24 blocks per day, and so our 1150 is less than 79% of the daily total. I'll check and edit this post.

tl;dr: we have a large percentage of the staking weight and so stake a large percentage of the blocks

Edit: it seems like we're actually taking a little over 24 hours to stake a day's worth of blocks:

Code:
$ day() {
> d=$1
> python -c "print ($(echo $((clamd getblock $(clamd getblockhash $((height-60*24*d))); clamd getblock $(clamd getblockhash $((height-60*24*(d+1))))) | grep time | awk '{print $3}' | tr -d ,) | sed 's/ /-/')) / 3600.0"  
> }
$ for d in 0 1 2 3 4 5; do day $d; done
24.0133333333
24.2711111111
24.0622222222
24.3422222222
24.1644444444
24.3111111111

ie. each of the last 6 sets of 1440 blocks has taken a little over 24 hours to stake.

Edit2: I just ran getstakinginfo again, and the numbers have changed. We now have 100* 201620.54375794 / 268853.12153023 = 74.9928% of the staking weight. So I guess that's the issue - getstakinginfo just gives an estimate of the network weight based on the time it took to find the last ~100 blocks, and so can get it quite wrong. I guess we have closer to 80% of the weight, since we're finding 80% of the blocks.

Before:
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   "weight" : 201619.54304143,
    "netstakeweight" : 277407.71838880,

After:
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   "weight" : 201620.54375794,
    "netstakeweight" : 268853.12153023,

I'm thinking the network weight didn't just drop from 277k to 268k in a few minutes, but what actually happened was that the network was relatively unlucky in the recent few minutes, making the estimated netstakeweight drop.

Edit3: finally, take a look at the chart of global network difficulty:

https://i.imgur.com/0ZEZhqz.png

It is swinging wildly between 16k and 23k. That's almost a 50% swing, so the estimations of the network weight aren't going to be very accurate.

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December 21, 2014, 06:33:30 AM
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Trading of CLAM is live on Yacuna


We are a regulated UK altcoin exchange.
Yesterday we started EUR/CLAM and BTC/CLAM markets!




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Is Yacuna a trading website?
Never heard of it before. Nice to see new sites accepting CLAM. Smiley

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