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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 1107005 times)
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December 26, 2014, 02:04:59 PM
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December 26, 2014, 05:29:02 PM
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I wrote some python code to simulate what might happen with different coinage possibilities.

https://privatepaste.com/ae9dfdbb6c

It starts with 69917 txs staking, 75% of which are "JD" and are distributed with values based on the stats published by dooglus a couple of days ago. The remaining 25% are "Not JD" and have a similar distribution of value. It starts assuming the block count is 69917 and every tx is marked with which block it appeared, chosen at random.

The code is slow. I ran it with 5 different coin age algorithms for 1500 "ticks" of a clock. This takes about 5 minutes but it corresponds to what would be a few hours of really staking. I'll give the results below, but they really should be run for much longer to get more reliable numbers. So far it doesn't seem like there is any difference between the algorithms. In every case JD stakes about 80% and there in about 4% of cases Not JD could have staked but got orphaned.

Each coinage function assumes coins mature after 510 blocks. After that the age is either (1) constant [like clams is now], (2) depends on the log of age (i.e., how many blocks old it is), (3) depends on the square root of the age, (4) depends linearly on the age, (5) depends on the square of the age.

(1) Constant, like now:

clamsim.sim(1500,clamsim.coinage_const_mature510)

Total blocks: 270
JD would stake: 218 -- 80.7407407407%
Not JD would stake: 52 -- 19.2592592593%
Not JD would get orphaned: 13 -- 4.81481481481%

(2) Log age:

clamsim.sim(1500,clamsim.coinage_log_mature510)

Total blocks: 368
JD would stake: 295 -- 80.1630434783%
Not JD would stake: 73 -- 19.8369565217%
Not JD would get orphaned: 13 -- 3.53260869565%

(3) Square root of age:

clamsim.sim(1500,clamsim.coinage_sqrt_mature510)

Total blocks: 389
JD would stake: 310 -- 79.6915167095%
Not JD would stake: 79 -- 20.3084832905%
Not JD would get orphaned: 13 -- 3.34190231362%

(4) Linear:

clamsim.sim(1500,clamsim.coinage_linear_mature510)

Total blocks: 732
JD would stake: 594 -- 81.1475409836%
Not JD would stake: 138 -- 18.8524590164%
Not JD would get orphaned: 31 -- 4.2349726776%

(5) Square of age:

clamsim.sim(1500,clamsim.coinage_square_mature510)

Total blocks: 779
JD would stake: 633 -- 81.2580231065%
Not JD would stake: 146 -- 18.7419768935%
Not JD would get orphaned: 33 -- 4.23620025674%

If someone wants, I'll run one or two of these (or some other coinage algorithm) overnight to get better numbers.

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December 26, 2014, 06:39:45 PM
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There was a minor problem, it is solved now.

Nice.

My other problem is that I don't see a way of verifying my dice rolls without doing a lot of work.

Do you really change two seeds every roll? And if so, do I have to make a note of the hash and change my client seed before every single roll to make sure the game is fair? That doesn't seem like something anyone is going to bother with.

Take a look at how Just-Dice does it - players only need to make a note of a single server seed hash because the same server seed is used for every roll until they ask for it to be changed. Using a similar scheme on your site would make it practical for players to really check out the game's provable fairness.

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December 27, 2014, 06:22:17 AM
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So far two Charities now accept CLAM. I personally believe that both of these are OP worthy!  

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The widely known SeansOutpost now has a CLAM address that we can all donate to.  

x9RFmWHjGXDgUqpXz6jTxp6XVHFcjkfjQb

Proof of ownership:

12/26/2014
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22:14:09 (412848) <SeansOutpost> KK, Sean's Outpost CLAM address is... [x9RFmWHj]

(Seans will not be able to add the address publicly until they all vote it at a board meeting. Adding it to the OP will be one of the only ways ppl can find it.)

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December 27, 2014, 06:34:04 AM
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(Seans will not be able to add the address publicly until they all vote it at a board meeting. Adding it to the OP will be one of the only ways ppl can find it.)

I wonder if he could sign a message that states their CLAM address with their public BTC donation address.

That would be much more convincing than 'some guy calling themselves "SeansOutpost" on JD chat said it'.

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December 27, 2014, 06:36:18 AM
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Yep, that's our address.

I run Sean's Outpost a Bitcoin fueled homeless outreach in Pensacola, FL. Over 140,000 meals fed with BTC donations.You can donate to Sean's Outpost at... 38ccq12hPFoiSksxUdr6SQ5VosyjY7s9AU
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December 28, 2014, 02:19:56 PM
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So you announce, on the first page that "clam speech" is some fucking huge thing haha,

https://github.com/nochowderforyou/clams/blob/master/src/clamspeech.cpp

This is just retarded.
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December 28, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
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This is just retarded.

Tell us what you really think.

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December 29, 2014, 12:37:47 AM
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This is just retarded.

Tell us what you really think.
Note the diff in usernames, I'm not him, but...

"Expression of Religious Freedom: Invisible Pink Unicorn"

Wtf.

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December 29, 2014, 12:56:36 AM
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This is just retarded.

Tell us what you really think.
Note the diff in usernames, I'm not him, but...

"Expression of Religious Freedom: Invisible Pink Unicorn"

Wtf.

I think the idea is that you fill in your own speech rather than use the pre-filled values. Or maybe that someone submits a pull request changing to the default template strings to something more sensible?

Edit: I just noticed I nearly used 'religion' and 'sensible' in the same sentence!

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December 29, 2014, 01:16:36 AM
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if i dont have much coins about 60 only...is it impossible to stake it right?
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December 29, 2014, 01:28:37 AM
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if i dont have much coins about 60 only...is it impossible to stake it right?

No, it's still possible.

At the moment, the network stake weight is around 280k. So your 60 is 1/4667 th of the total.

That means you can expect to earn 1 CLAM every 4667 minutes or so.

That's once per 77.77 hours, or 3.25 days.

Luck plays a huge part, but that's the kind of staking frequency you can expect with 60 CLAMs.

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December 29, 2014, 02:47:29 AM
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Note the diff in usernames, I'm not him, but...

"Expression of Religious Freedom: Invisible Pink Unicorn"

Wtf.
I've maintained a pretty tough skin as far as this thread goes.....up until now. This attack upon the Invisible Pink Unicorn is going too far.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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December 29, 2014, 03:15:43 AM
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if i dont have much coins about 60 only...is it impossible to stake it right?

No, it's still possible.

At the moment, the network stake weight is around 280k. So your 60 is 1/4667 th of the total.

That means you can expect to earn 1 CLAM every 4667 minutes or so.

That's once per 77.77 hours, or 3.25 days.

Luck plays a huge part, but that's the kind of staking frequency you can expect with 60 CLAMs.

Sounds about right, I have like 85 and staked two in a bit less than a week.
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December 29, 2014, 04:06:44 AM
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Note the diff in usernames, I'm not him, but...

"Expression of Religious Freedom: Invisible Pink Unicorn"

Wtf.
I've maintained a pretty tough skin as far as this thread goes.....up until now. This attack upon the Invisible Pink Unicorn is going too far.

LMFAO...   Good one.

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December 29, 2014, 05:58:11 AM
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if i dont have much coins about 60 only...is it impossible to stake it right?

No, it's still possible.

At the moment, the network stake weight is around 280k. So your 60 is 1/4667 th of the total.

That means you can expect to earn 1 CLAM every 4667 minutes or so.

That's once per 77.77 hours, or 3.25 days.

Luck plays a huge part, but that's the kind of staking frequency you can expect with 60 CLAMs.

Sounds about right, I have like 85 and staked two in a bit less than a week.

I just checked 'getstakinginfo' again. The network weight reported has gone up 10%:

before:    "netstakeweight" : 281163.55080207,
after:     "netstakeweight" : 317170.45397439,

So clearly any estimates I make will be just that. The network weight itself is just an estimate, based on how long the last bunch of blocks took to find, and their difficulty.

It's not possible to know the real network stake weight - just like it's not possible to know the global Bitcoin hashrate. All we can do is estimate it based on the network difficulty.

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December 29, 2014, 07:11:30 AM
 #1917

Note the diff in usernames, I'm not him, but...
"Expression of Religious Freedom: Invisible Pink Unicorn"
Wtf.
I've maintained a pretty tough skin as far as this thread goes.....up until now. This attack upon the Invisible Pink Unicorn is going too far.

Prospect, for your reading pleasure:
Wikipedia - List of Spiritual Traditions
Wikipedia - Invisible Pink Unicorn



Maybe you would prefer if we declare you the global authority on what constitutes the "serious", "one true" faith?

Would it make you feel less uncomfortable if we let you censor and pick favorites among the list?



You appear to have either missed, or willfully ignored, the entire point of CLAMspeech.

You are encouraged to read:
EFF, reddit, Internet Archive Comments on the NYDFS BitLicense
Specifically, "III. The BitLicense Proposal Licenses Speech, and Must Respect the Well Established Legal Limitations on Prior Restraints".



So far two Charities now accept CLAM. I personally believe that both of these are OP worthy!  
______________________________
The widely known SeansOutpost now has a CLAM address that we can all donate to.  
x9RFmWHjGXDgUqpXz6jTxp6XVHFcjkfjQb
Proof of ownership:
12/26/2014
Just-dice troll box
22:14:09 (412848) <SeansOutpost> KK, Sean's Outpost CLAM address is... [x9RFmWHj]
(Seans will not be able to add the address publicly until they all vote it at a board meeting. Adding it to the OP will be one of the only ways ppl can find it.)
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Dabs has been a member of the Bitcoin community for some time and I've always been personally impressed with him + he just comes off as a fuck of a guy.  He runs a food charity in the Philippines.
xGyiXkSUzGLmaCYr9FtnEALGzx1RdvKTXc
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300631.0

Created a new section in the links area; added the above two charities.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147
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December 29, 2014, 02:06:59 PM
 #1918

My last 7 stakes were "generated but not accepted" - shown in the transactions section,  you have to look there for it doesn't show on the main screen.

Seems staking this coin has become too difficult / not viable.

Are any solutions to this in the works?

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December 29, 2014, 02:31:19 PM
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Really cool coin, with the support of Just-Dice. I see a potential.

This area is empty, but you can PM me if you want to fill it.
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December 29, 2014, 04:05:49 PM
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My last 7 stakes were "generated but not accepted" - shown in the transactions section,  you have to look there for it doesn't show on the main screen.

Seems staking this coin has become too difficult / not viable.

Are any solutions to this in the works?



This seems a bit odd. I checked back 100 stakes and there has not been a single orphan. Doesn't sound right if you've had 7 in a row.

Now that I look more closely, none of the 368 transactions in my list - the majority being stakes - are showing as an orphan, or 0 confirmations. I wonder if I'm just lucky, or whether the text-only daemon is suppressing them for some reason.
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