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Author Topic: [ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"  (Read 1148388 times)
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November 28, 2014, 10:24:35 PM
Last edit: November 28, 2014, 11:15:38 PM by dooglus
 #1381

I have noticed that none of my stacks has staked for quite a while now.
Anyone else having that problem ?

Are you seeing them staking but then getting orphaned? Or just not staking at all?

If the former, sync your system clock then restart the wallet.
If the latter, it may just be a sign that the difficulty has increased.
I estimate that you need about 150 CLAMs now if you want to stake once per day on average.

I made some charts showing how difficulty has risen over time:

This one shows the whole history since block 0. The recent hardfork made it about 100 million times easier to stake a block, so the difficulty shot up to compensate:



This one shows the difficulty since the recent hardfork:


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 #1382

I have noticed that none of my stacks has staked for quite a while now.
Anyone else having that problem ?

Are you seeing them staking but then getting orphaned? Or just not staking at all?

If the former, sync your system clock then restart the wallet.
If the latter, it may just be a sign that the difficulty has increased.
I estimate that you need about 150 CLAMs now if you want to stake once per day on average.

I made some charts showing how difficulty has risen over time:

This one shows the whole history since block 0. The recent hardfork made it about 100 million times easier to stake a block, so the difficulty shot up to compensate:



This one shows the difficulty since the recent hardfork:


Not staking at all, still have small stacks of some 5-6 clams.
I guess I better create 1 stack and sacrifice coin age.

Also I have noticed that often clam wallet show high cpu load.
Especially compared to other wallets.



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November 28, 2014, 11:39:05 PM
Last edit: November 28, 2014, 11:52:53 PM by xploited
 #1383

I have noticed that none of my stacks has staked for quite a while now.
Anyone else having that problem ?

Are you seeing them staking but then getting orphaned? Or just not staking at all?

If the former, sync your system clock then restart the wallet.
If the latter, it may just be a sign that the difficulty has increased.
I estimate that you need about 150 CLAMs now if you want to stake once per day on average.

I made some charts showing how difficulty has risen over time:

This one shows the whole history since block 0. The recent hardfork made it about 100 million times easier to stake a block, so the difficulty shot up to compensate:


This one shows the difficulty since the recent hardfork:

Not staking at all, still have small stacks of some 5-6 clams.
I guess I better create 1 stack and sacrifice coin age.

Also I have noticed that often clam wallet show high cpu load.
Especially compared to other wallets.

CoinAge is not taken into account when your staking. So, feel free to sacrifice it!

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November 28, 2014, 11:49:37 PM
 #1384

I have noticed that none of my stacks has staked for quite a while now.
Anyone else having that problem ?

Are you seeing them staking but then getting orphaned? Or just not staking at all?

If the former, sync your system clock then restart the wallet.
If the latter, it may just be a sign that the difficulty has increased.
I estimate that you need about 150 CLAMs now if you want to stake once per day on average.

I made some charts showing how difficulty has risen over time:
...

Not staking at all, still have small stacks of some 5-6 clams.
I guess I better create 1 stack and sacrifice coin age.

Also I have noticed that often clam wallet show high cpu load.
Especially compared to other wallets.

CoinAge is not taken into account when your staking. So, feel free to sacrifice it!
Just created a fresh wallet and coins moved.
I know the answer is in the forum, but having a bit of a brainfart, what does make a stack stake ?



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November 28, 2014, 11:52:26 PM
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I need some nodes, my win wallet still will not sync after being opened for 6 days!!!
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November 29, 2014, 12:05:00 AM
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I need some nodes, my win wallet still will not sync after being opened for 6 days!!!


"addr" : "74.207.230.61:31174",
"addr" : "76.94.201.185:31174",
"addr" : "54.75.227.85:31174",
"addr" : "66.30.80.136:31174",
"addr" : "73.55.207.245:31174",
"addr" : "93.103.131.59:31174",
"addr" : "109.195.211.62:31174",
"addr" : "80.195.253.183:31174",



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November 29, 2014, 12:17:00 AM
 #1387

I need some nodes, my win wallet still will not sync after being opened for 6 days!!!


"addr" : "74.207.230.61:31174",
"addr" : "76.94.201.185:31174",
"addr" : "54.75.227.85:31174",
"addr" : "66.30.80.136:31174",
"addr" : "73.55.207.245:31174",
"addr" : "93.103.131.59:31174",
"addr" : "109.195.211.62:31174",
"addr" : "80.195.253.183:31174",

Thanks, let me fix that for you. :0

Code:
addnode=74.207.230.61
addnode=76.94.201.185
addnode=54.75.227.85
addnode=66.30.80.136
addnode=73.55.207.245
addnode=93.103.131.59
addnode=109.195.211.62
addnode=80.195.253.183

Dev please add this to your main page post, it will save a lot of headaches!
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November 29, 2014, 12:18:46 AM
 #1388

I need some nodes, my win wallet still will not sync after being opened for 6 days!!!


"addr" : "74.207.230.61:31174",
"addr" : "76.94.201.185:31174",
"addr" : "54.75.227.85:31174",
"addr" : "66.30.80.136:31174",
"addr" : "73.55.207.245:31174",
"addr" : "93.103.131.59:31174",
"addr" : "109.195.211.62:31174",
"addr" : "80.195.253.183:31174",

Thanks, let me fix that for you. :0

Code:
addnode=74.207.230.61
addnode=76.94.201.185
addnode=54.75.227.85
addnode=66.30.80.136
addnode=73.55.207.245
addnode=93.103.131.59
addnode=109.195.211.62
addnode=80.195.253.183

Dev please add this to your main page post, it will save a lot of headaches!

Yes it will, I'll get SuperClam to put it there ASAP.  I'm also updating the node list for the new release which will be along VERY shortly. Theres a bunch of fixes going into this one so want to make sure its perfect.

Included updates to the networking itself

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I merged in some more:

Code:
addnode=104.131.59.43
addnode=109.195.211.62
addnode=173.31.55.8
addnode=46.5.84.204
addnode=54.75.227.85
addnode=66.30.80.136
addnode=73.172.149.95
addnode=73.55.207.245
addnode=74.207.230.61
addnode=76.94.201.185
addnode=80.195.253.183
addnode=84.194.247.232
addnode=93.103.131.59
addnode=96.246.211.120

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November 29, 2014, 02:19:42 AM
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I merged in some more:

Code:
addnode=104.131.59.43
addnode=109.195.211.62
addnode=173.31.55.8
addnode=46.5.84.204
addnode=54.75.227.85
addnode=66.30.80.136
addnode=73.172.149.95
addnode=73.55.207.245
addnode=74.207.230.61
addnode=76.94.201.185
addnode=80.195.253.183
addnode=84.194.247.232
addnode=93.103.131.59
addnode=96.246.211.120


whats the right block now?
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November 29, 2014, 02:43:20 AM
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whats the right block now?

http://khashier.com/   will always tell you

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November 29, 2014, 03:57:36 AM
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Could a list of nodes be added to the website?

Are we still having problems with nodes hitting their connection cap and refusing connections from new clients?
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November 29, 2014, 05:53:14 AM
Last edit: December 01, 2014, 08:41:22 PM by garthkiser
 #1393

Could a list of nodes be added to the website?

Are we still having problems with nodes hitting their connection cap and refusing connections from new clients?

Indeed, the website needs a tech support section to address common problems. Dooglus' node list is here: http://clamclient.com/#/node-list/

A general FAQ help page is being built here: http://clamclient.com/#/support/

So what should be in the FAQ help section?
- clock syncing issues
- guides will be added for digging distribution CLAMs.
- ???help me help you???

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December 01, 2014, 07:13:26 AM
 #1394

didn't upgrade clam for a while, it crashed at some points. Today I updated and it appears to get stuck at block 173217.

Should I go head to remove all the blocks and rerun ? or there's a better way.
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Last edit: December 02, 2014, 07:43:02 AM by dooglus
 #1395

didn't upgrade clam for a while, it crashed at some points. Today I updated and it appears to get stuck at block 173217.

Should I go head to remove all the blocks and rerun ? or there's a better way.

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg9365391#msg9365391 for a recent bootstrap.dat.

Edit: but maybe wait a day or two for the new client version before using it.

Edit2: here's a more recent post about the bootstrap.dat file, in case the old date on the above post put you off:

I just ported my 'dumpbootstrap' RPC command to the new version of the client, dumped a new bootstrap.dat file, and uploaded it to Amazon S3. I updated my old post about it:

I'll post a torrent link once it's done.

Here:

  https://s3.amazonaws.com/dooglus/bootstrap.dat?torrent

and here, if you want a direct link, rather than a torrent:

  https://s3.amazonaws.com/dooglus/bootstrap.dat

Download that, copy it to your clam folder (where the wallet.dat lives) and restart the CLAM client. It will notice the bootstrap.dat file, and import the blockchain up to block 176750 219000 from it. Then it will connect to peers and carry on from there.

To check, see if the sha256 hash matches mine:

$ sha256sum /tmp/bootstrap.dat
3965815c11e4cbdafe99ebb55448c7a4abe730e0e8bd6fc42cf2b031cef32443  /tmp/bootstrap.dat
76d9481ac6bd5ec48fb71f0fd306f9fe9b82c4a9a957f64ffa05226e5abe1abe  /tmp/bootstrap.dat

Edit: I ran:

clamd dumpbootstrap /tmp/bootstrap.dat 219000

If someone is willing to run the same command after rebuilding with my patch and verify that the sha256 hash is the same, that would be helpful.

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December 02, 2014, 03:48:41 AM
 #1396

didn't upgrade clam for a while, it crashed at some points. Today I updated and it appears to get stuck at block 173217.
Should I go head to remove all the blocks and rerun ? or there's a better way.

dooglus' recommendation, as usual, is accurate.  We are so far past the fork that it may be wise to just load the bootstrap file if you aren't willing to wait for it all to sync.  Regardless, you likely have a wealth of blocks that are not valid ->  a re-sync or bootstrap resync is definitely in order.

If you continue to have problems, please feel free to step into #clams at freenode irc and say Hi, asking for help Smiley

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Interesting article on the ethereum blog regarding proof of stake.

CLAM on!
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Last edit: December 02, 2014, 02:13:13 PM by dooglus
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Interesting article on the ethereum blog regarding proof of stake.

CLAM on!

Ha.

So I read the article, and it scared me. I'm not clear whether CLAMs are vulnerable to such an attack, but I don't see why not. Other than checkpoints (the most recent of which was at block 175000, on Mon Oct 27) I don't see what there is to prevent me from re-writing the blockchain to (for example) not have me transfer a bunch of CLAMs to an exchange a few weeks ago.

So then I happened to look at my debug.log and noticed someone was staking an alternative fork of the CLAM chain, at block heights about 100 below the main chain, but catching up very quickly. I panicked, thinking it was some kind of attack, and spent the next few hours trying to figure out what was going on. He somehow managed to 'trick' the network difficulty into going incredibly low:

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2014-12-02 04:42:50 NotBestChain: hash=f46334f4  difficulty=9195.35438786  height=233400  trust=1151616512706583512  blocktrust=39494349006920  date=12/02/14 03:33:52
2014-12-02 06:59:10 NotBestChain: hash=07d6052f  difficulty=8434.12641464  height=233401  trust=1151652737556452057  blocktrust=36224849868545  date=12/02/14 05:51:28
2014-12-02 07:50:20 NotBestChain: hash=c2eea75b  difficulty=7293.37664742  height=233402  trust=1151684062848616141  blocktrust=31325292164084  date=12/02/14 06:42:40
2014-12-02 07:52:48 NotBestChain: hash=39e273f4  difficulty=6172.78703038  height=233403  trust=1151710575171582753  blocktrust=26512322966612  date=12/02/14 06:45:04
2014-12-02 08:44:20 NotBestChain: hash=68c4680a  difficulty=5219.83578106  height=233404  trust=1151732994537645277  blocktrust=22419366062524  date=12/02/14 07:35:12
2014-12-02 09:36:40 NotBestChain: hash=7bd3ad47  difficulty=4325.83145490  height=233405  trust=1151751574125774107  blocktrust=18579588128830  date=12/02/14 08:27:28
2014-12-02 09:41:55 NotBestChain: hash=accdeb9b  difficulty=3511.81309368  height=233406  trust=1151766657478314820  blocktrust=15083352540713  date=12/02/14 08:32:32
2014-12-02 09:42:28 NotBestChain: hash=4bcf9b82  difficulty=2847.41721749  height=233407  trust=1151778887228753186  blocktrust=12229750438366  date=12/02/14 08:33:04
2014-12-02 09:44:57 NotBestChain: hash=e417c33f  difficulty=2308.71707651  height=233408  trust=1151788803244398910  blocktrust=9916015645724  date=12/02/14 08:35:28
2014-12-02 09:59:25 NotBestChain: hash=c942864e  difficulty=1871.15517176  height=233409  trust=1151796839917297258  blocktrust=8036672898348  date=12/02/14 08:51:28
2014-12-02 10:03:37 NotBestChain: hash=e5cedd20  difficulty=1508.37236402  height=233410  trust=1151803318426125111  blocktrust=6478508827853  date=12/02/14 08:55:28
2014-12-02 10:04:09 NotBestChain: hash=64c59901  difficulty=1213.91948378  height=233411  trust=1151808532250164576  blocktrust=5213824039465  date=12/02/14 08:56:00
2014-12-02 10:06:55 NotBestChain: hash=725450f4  difficulty=977.35060701  height=233412  trust=1151812730003111022  blocktrust=4197752946446  date=12/02/14 08:58:40
2014-12-02 10:08:00 NotBestChain: hash=e101d065  difficulty=786.88428286  height=233413  trust=1151816109696941673  blocktrust=3379693830651  date=12/02/14 08:59:44
2014-12-02 10:10:29 NotBestChain: hash=2e42d199  difficulty=633.27467262  height=233414  trust=1151818829632452888  blocktrust=2719935511215  date=12/02/14 09:02:08
2014-12-02 10:11:56 NotBestChain: hash=e92bb7b5  difficulty=509.24146304  height=233415  trust=1151821016841256588  blocktrust=2187208803700  date=12/02/14 09:03:28
2014-12-02 10:12:09 NotBestChain: hash=3055f5e7  difficulty=409.49377593  height=233416  trust=1151822775630469132  blocktrust=1758789212544  date=12/02/14 09:03:44
2014-12-02 10:14:57 NotBestChain: hash=2025e8ae  difficulty=329.69696970  height=233417  trust=1151824191689778921  blocktrust=1416059309789  date=12/02/14 09:06:24
2014-12-02 10:15:30 NotBestChain: hash=f6e577b5  difficulty=265.55907307  height=233418  trust=1151825332274716839  blocktrust=1140584937918  date=12/02/14 09:06:56
2014-12-02 10:16:04 NotBestChain: hash=d8df3407  difficulty=213.89634729  height=233419  trust=1151826250966551325  blocktrust=918691834486  date=12/02/14 09:07:28
2014-12-02 10:16:21 NotBestChain: hash=c57137c2  difficulty=172.28342575  height=233420  trust=1151826990929521523  blocktrust=739962970198  date=12/02/14 09:07:44
2014-12-02 10:18:03 NotBestChain: hash=d6e7dd63  difficulty=138.82350994  height=233421  trust=1151827587181054716  blocktrust=596251533193  date=12/02/14 09:09:20
2014-12-02 10:18:19 NotBestChain: hash=69884ef2  difficulty=111.86206069  height=233422  trust=1151828067632278140  blocktrust=480451223424  date=12/02/14 09:09:36
2014-12-02 10:19:11 NotBestChain: hash=b5c18a0e  difficulty=90.28608331  height=233423  trust=1151828455413970304  blocktrust=387781692164  date=12/02/14 09:10:24
2014-12-02 10:19:43 NotBestChain: hash=842f20f9  difficulty=72.84164275  height=233424  trust=1151828768271217528  blocktrust=312857247224  date=12/02/14 09:10:56
2014-12-02 10:19:59 NotBestChain: hash=eef80eae  difficulty=58.79205638  height=233425  trust=1151829020785029989  blocktrust=252513812461  date=12/02/14 09:11:12
2014-12-02 10:20:31 NotBestChain: hash=9fd54845  difficulty=47.45232694  height=233426  trust=1151829224594332211  blocktrust=203809302222  date=12/02/14 09:11:44
2014-12-02 10:21:21 NotBestChain: hash=942b65d2  difficulty=38.31554619  height=233427  trust=1151829389160861097  blocktrust=164566528886  date=12/02/14 09:12:32
2014-12-02 10:21:37 NotBestChain: hash=7656e35d  difficulty=30.92521488  height=233428  trust=1151829521985674393  blocktrust=132824813296  date=12/02/14 09:12:48
2014-12-02 10:21:53 NotBestChain: hash=9abc73b7  difficulty=24.97069356  height=233429  trust=1151829629235623099  blocktrust=107249948706  date=12/02/14 09:13:04
2014-12-02 10:22:09 NotBestChain: hash=f7b5fc73  difficulty=20.17938611  height=233430  trust=1151829715906749004  blocktrust=86671125905  date=12/02/14 09:13:20
2014-12-02 10:22:26 NotBestChain: hash=4bb28039  difficulty=16.30742044  height=233431  trust=1151829785947655228  blocktrust=70040906224  date=12/02/14 09:13:36
2014-12-02 10:22:43 NotBestChain: hash=341c2353  difficulty=13.17840016  height=233432  trust=1151829842549316602  blocktrust=56601661374  date=12/02/14 09:13:52
2014-12-02 10:22:57 NotBestChain: hash=806aae7c  difficulty=10.65860244  height=233433  trust=1151829888328364039  blocktrust=45779047437  date=12/02/14 09:14:08
2014-12-02 10:23:14 NotBestChain: hash=57333068  difficulty=8.62060709  height=233434  trust=1151829925354154518  blocktrust=37025790479  date=12/02/14 09:14:24
2014-12-02 10:23:32 NotBestChain: hash=c2f582ca  difficulty=6.97228948  height=233435  trust=1151829955300366747  blocktrust=29946212229  date=12/02/14 09:14:40
2014-12-02 10:24:05 NotBestChain: hash=583b0db3  difficulty=5.64147986  height=233436  trust=1151829979530707952  blocktrust=24230341205  date=12/02/14 09:15:12
2014-12-02 10:24:22 NotBestChain: hash=f9d16850  difficulty=4.56468346  height=233437  trust=1151829999136173297  blocktrust=19605465345  date=12/02/14 09:15:28
2014-12-02 10:24:37 NotBestChain: hash=ef858c0a  difficulty=3.69341643  height=233438  trust=1151830014999518112  blocktrust=15863344815  date=12/02/14 09:15:44
2014-12-02 10:24:55 NotBestChain: hash=1f2bfbbd  difficulty=2.98968958  height=233439  trust=1151830027840333029  blocktrust=12840814917  date=12/02/14 09:16:00
2014-12-02 10:25:09 NotBestChain: hash=611c038e  difficulty=2.42105295  height=233440  trust=1151830038238834942  blocktrust=10398501913  date=12/02/14 09:16:16
2014-12-02 10:25:26 NotBestChain: hash=a62a66b9  difficulty=1.96142105  height=233441  trust=1151830046663202735  blocktrust=8424367793  date=12/02/14 09:16:32
2014-12-02 10:25:42 NotBestChain: hash=3edf771f  difficulty=1.58903545  height=233442  trust=1151830053488162162  blocktrust=6824959427  date=12/02/14 09:16:48
2014-12-02 10:25:59 NotBestChain: hash=1860fe48  difficulty=1.28734752  height=233443  trust=1151830059017362010  blocktrust=5529199848  date=12/02/14 09:17:04
2014-12-02 10:26:16 NotBestChain: hash=271fa9a1  difficulty=1.04380027  height=233444  trust=1151830063500518444  blocktrust=4483156434  date=12/02/14 09:17:20
2014-12-02 10:26:32 NotBestChain: hash=593232e3  difficulty=0.84633365  height=233445  trust=1151830067135549266  blocktrust=3635030822  date=12/02/14 09:17:36
2014-12-02 10:26:51 NotBestChain: hash=fb8a8a3f  difficulty=0.68650353  height=233446  trust=1151830070084104468  blocktrust=2948555202  date=12/02/14 09:17:52
2014-12-02 10:27:04 NotBestChain: hash=898065e3  difficulty=0.55709040  height=233447  trust=1151830072476826009  blocktrust=2392721541  date=12/02/14 09:18:08
2014-12-02 10:27:21 NotBestChain: hash=b993cc43  difficulty=0.45207152  height=233448  trust=1151830074418488031  blocktrust=1941662022  date=12/02/14 09:18:24
2014-12-02 10:27:38 NotBestChain: hash=2176b4c8  difficulty=0.36685102  height=233449  trust=1151830075994125208  blocktrust=1575637177  date=12/02/14 09:18:40
2014-12-02 10:27:56 NotBestChain: hash=67d5b9ea  difficulty=0.29781868  height=233450  trust=1151830077273266206  blocktrust=1279140998  date=12/02/14 09:18:56
2014-12-02 10:28:12 NotBestChain: hash=ff011c32  difficulty=0.24187744  height=233451  trust=1151830078312137764  blocktrust=1038871558  date=12/02/14 09:19:12
2014-12-02 10:28:29 NotBestChain: hash=e4eb2cc2  difficulty=0.19652560  height=233452  trust=1151830079156221684  blocktrust=844083920  date=12/02/14 09:19:28
2014-12-02 10:28:44 NotBestChain: hash=ebd87965  difficulty=0.15974367  height=233453  trust=1151830079842325987  blocktrust=686104303  date=12/02/14 09:19:44
2014-12-02 10:29:01 NotBestChain: hash=b06aec1c  difficulty=0.12990012  height=233454  trust=1151830080400251265  blocktrust=557925278  date=12/02/14 09:20:00
2014-12-02 10:29:17 NotBestChain: hash=c478d69b  difficulty=0.10563193  height=233455  trust=1151830080853943872  blocktrust=453692607  date=12/02/14 09:20:16
2014-12-02 10:29:33 NotBestChain: hash=0fab0734  difficulty=0.08593345  height=233456  trust=1151830081223030876  blocktrust=369087004  date=12/02/14 09:20:32

Notice how the date on the blocks is more than an hour behind the actual time. This guy's clock was off by so much that the wallet refused to correct it, so he was rejecting all the valid blocks and effectively "solo-staking". This meant he saw very few blocks being staked, and so the difficulty dropped drastically, then overshot, leaving him solo-staking a new block every 16 seconds.

Since the "best chain" is the most trusted one, and trust is based on something like the sum of the difficulties, this rogue forked chain doesn't pose a threat. It might end up longer than the main chain, but it won't have anywhere near as much total trust.

Edit: the peer with the bad clock is coming from this ISP:

OrgName:        Net3 Inc.
Address:        8195 Sheridan Drive
City:           Buffalo
StateProv:      NY
PostalCode:     14221
Country:        US

If that's you, fix your clock! Smiley

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December 02, 2014, 07:58:24 PM
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If that's you, fix your clock! Smiley

Sorry!

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December 02, 2014, 08:14:14 PM
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If that's you, fix your clock! Smiley

Sorry!

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From IRC:

16:46 < dooglus> you can probably find ntp for windows to keep your clock right
16:47 < dooglus> see http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html
16:51 < ElectronicFeroc> this is perfect, thanks

Did you use that? Did it fix the problem? Was it easy? Etc.

Feedback would probably help others who have trouble stopping their clock drifting.

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