[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[BayAreaCoins]

Can anyone confirm that they have been using this faucet, and it has been paying out?
https://cryptospout.com/faucet/hourly_clamcoin_faucet.html

The site shows links to the blockchain of payments.

Code:

 Date Processed	Transaction
2015-06-07 21:04:08	View Transaction #54340 http://khashier.com/tx/607eb6252aad95436215856b7f65107d82bf76eeee3e3f25522a435b55138f7c
2015-06-07 20:03:58	View Transaction #54323 http://khashier.com/tx/8aa54e1511067cb4144433090a32c8e0fe4c65a480dbc1456355dc5e0a131873
2015-06-07 19:04:11	View Transaction #54306 http://khashier.com/tx/37cb064ce56123d8dd65ea70fbfcdc1af314ca65e7edfdf1ae28ce571926f988
2015-06-07 18:04:14	View Transaction #54289
2015-06-07 17:04:00	View Transaction #54272
2015-06-07 16:04:19	View Transaction #54255
2015-06-07 15:04:09	View Transaction #54238
2015-06-07 14:04:28	View Transaction #54221
2015-06-07 13:04:09	View Transaction #54204
2015-06-07 12:04:27	View Transaction #54187

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[SuperClam]

In fact, I think everyone involved, including garthkiser, would just assume hand it over to someone else.
Why all this "official" stuff then?
Security and trust are important facets of CLAM.
This is especially important for CLAM - given the inevitable set of users which will import addresses which still control BTC, LTC and DOGE.
We consistently recommend that users empty public keys before claiming; some will almost certainly not do so.

Well lets point Clamclient.com @ Clamcoin.org and skip all the fuss.  We can do what we need to do in order to make her nice and secure.  As of right my fan site uses the clamclient download which should be plenty secure. (hack it if not)

"Hacking" isn't the concern - though it is of course always possible.
You are suggesting that you be trusted with control over the domain and content of the source of the reference client.
The answer is "no".

Nothing personal.

Thank you for linking to reference client appropriately - it is appreciated.

I also think this thread shouldn't be self modded. That needs to change.

A protection which has only been used a handful of times in over a year, almost exclusively to remove spam.
You know how to read - read the thread.
If this thread was in the habit of "censoring" communications it would be half as long as it is now.
Why all this "self-moderated" stuff then?
Security and trust are important facets of CLAM.
This is especially important for CLAM - given the inevitable set of users which will import addresses which still control BTC, LTC and DOGE.
We consistently recommend that users empty public keys before claiming; some will almost certainly not do so.

W/e I hate it.  Your pointing the gun and saying you won't shoot!  Easier and better to teach people to download from the OP properly than trusting random shit they stumble across on the web/in the forum.  Also, Bitcointalk will removed stuff like that. I just see it as a power grab... it's concerning to a tin foil hat person like me.
If shit gets removed by a BTCT mod the people hate them and not the person removing it. See how much BS Adam catches on the Bitcoin speculation thread lol.

I don't view it as my job to "teach" people to download from the OP properly.
In fact, I would recommend that users download the client from the official web site, and not the OP (though it links there).

I understand you are concerned. 
You've voiced that opinion multiple times.
Please feel free to start your own un-moderated CLAM thread.

Can anyone confirm that they have been using this faucet, and it has been paying out?
https://cryptospout.com/faucet/hourly_clamcoin_faucet.html

The site shows links to the blockchain of payments.

Thanks BAC
Will add it to the OP post.

[BayAreaCoins]

In fact, I think everyone involved, including garthkiser, would just assume hand it over to someone else.
Why all this "official" stuff then?
Security and trust are important facets of CLAM.
This is especially important for CLAM - given the inevitable set of users which will import addresses which still control BTC, LTC and DOGE.
We consistently recommend that users empty public keys before claiming; some will almost certainly not do so.

Well lets point Clamclient.com @ Clamcoin.org and skip all the fuss.  We can do what we need to do in order to make her nice and secure.  As of right my fan site uses the clamclient download which should be plenty secure. (hack it if not)

"Hacking" isn't the concern - though it is of course always possible.
You are suggesting that you be trusted with control over the domain and content of the source of the reference client.
The answer is "no".

Nothing personal.

Thank you for linking to reference client appropriately - it is appreciated.

I also think this thread shouldn't be self modded. That needs to change.

A protection which has only been used a handful of times in over a year, almost exclusively to remove spam.
You know how to read - read the thread.
If this thread was in the habit of "censoring" communications it would be half as long as it is now.
Why all this "self-moderated" stuff then?
Security and trust are important facets of CLAM.
This is especially important for CLAM - given the inevitable set of users which will import addresses which still control BTC, LTC and DOGE.
We consistently recommend that users empty public keys before claiming; some will almost certainly not do so.

W/e I hate it.  Your pointing the gun and saying you won't shoot!  Easier and better to teach people to download from the OP properly than trusting random shit they stumble across on the web/in the forum.  Also, Bitcointalk will removed stuff like that. I just see it as a power grab... it's concerning to a tin foil hat person like me.
If shit gets removed by a BTCT mod the people hate them and not the person removing it. See how much BS Adam catches on the Bitcoin speculation thread lol.

I don't view it as my job to "teach" people to download from the OP properly.
In fact, I would recommend that users download the client from the official web site, and not the OP (though it links there).

I understand you are concerned.  
You've voiced that opinion multiple times.
Please feel free to start your own un-moderated CLAM thread.

Can anyone confirm that they have been using this faucet, and it has been paying out?
https://cryptospout.com/faucet/hourly_clamcoin_faucet.html

The site shows links to the blockchain of payments.

Thanks BAC
Will add it to the OP post.

Your welcome have a nice night and good luck with the site of course.  

It would be great for Clamcoin.org to be the official fan site We did link you and linking back is kind of the kind thing to do.

[BayAreaCoins]

"Hacking" isn't the concern - though it is of course always possible.
You are suggesting that you be trusted with control over the domain and content of the source of the reference client.
The answer is "no".

Nothing personal.

Nothing personal to you, but I originally bought these sites just in case the Coin needed to rebrand and follow a Dooglus fork.

CLAM's history of being exploited by developers is worrisome. (I do believe you and xploited though)

Decentralization... the more fans the merry in my opinion.

[SuperClam]

"Hacking" isn't the concern - though it is of course always possible.
You are suggesting that you be trusted with control over the domain and content of the source of the reference client.
The answer is "no".
Nothing personal.

Nothing personal to you, but I originally bought these sites just in case the Coin needed to rebrand and follow a Dooglus fork.
[...]
Decentralization... the more fans the merry in my opinion.

A conversation was started about decentralization.

I believe your response was "dooglus fork" (which, unless I am mistaken, he never suggested or supported).

CLAM's history of being exploited by developers is worrisome. (I do believe you and xploited though)

CLAM has a history of being exploited by developers?
Funny, you would think I would be aware of such things.

[BayAreaCoins]

"Hacking" isn't the concern - though it is of course always possible.
You are suggesting that you be trusted with control over the domain and content of the source of the reference client.
The answer is "no".
Nothing personal.

Nothing personal to you, but I originally bought these sites just in case the Coin needed to rebrand and follow a Dooglus fork.
[...]
Decentralization... the more fans the merry in my opinion.

A conversation was started about decentralization.

I believe your response was "dooglus fork" (which, unless I am mistaken, he never suggested or supported).

CLAM's history of being exploited by developers is worrisome. (I do believe you and xploited though)

CLAM has a history of being exploited by developers?
Funny, you would think I would be aware of such things.

A: Your the one who brought up a fork in our skype conversation that we had.  I prepared myself for it and wanted to help make any transition for JD users/players as easy as possible IF EVER it happened (plan for the worse and hope for the best.)  

B:  The Rat blackcoin developer.  Didn't CLAM used to have a lotto mining structure rather than this consistent 1 CLAM reward?  

Anyways lets just let this die.  Obviously Clamcoin.org isn't an option.  I intend on continuing to promote it.

Would appreciate being recognized as the official fan site too !  

[xploited]

A: Your the one who brought up a fork in our skype conversation that we had.  I prepared myself for it and wanted to help make any transition for JD users/players as easy as possible IF EVER it happened (plan for the worse and hope for the best.)  

B:  The Rat blackcoin developer.  Didn't CLAM used to have a lotto mining structure rather than this consistent 1 CLAM reward?  

Anyways lets just let this die.  Obviously Clamcoin.org isn't an option.  I intend on continuing to promote it.

Would appreciate being recognized as the official fan site too !  

Clams have always been experimental.. though due to increased community and associated value we greatly limit the experimental ideas. Some things work out some things don't, the lottery was a case of the latter. To suggest it represents a worrisome history of exploitation is a little misleading coming from you imo.

We (the developers) never claimed to be perfect, In fact I'm sure you can find multiple posts we suggest were not and ask for help.

We are however all very passionate about technology and cryptocurrency and most especially clams.
 

[BayAreaCoins]

Clams have always been experimental.. though due to increased community and associated value we greatly limit the experimental ideas. Some things work out some things don't, the lottery was a case of the latter. To suggest it represents a worrisome history of exploitation is a little misleading coming from you imo.

We (the developers) never claimed to be perfect, In fact I'm sure you can find multiple posts we suggest were not and ask for help.

We are however all very passionate about technology and cryptocurrency and most especially clams.

 

I know you aren't perfect and I really do think you try Xploited however that doesn't mean your system didn't get gamed by a person very high up the ladder.  I'm not being misleading & ya it's slightly worrisome... to me this seems misleading:

CLAM's history of being exploited by developers is worrisome. (I do believe you and xploited though)

CLAM has a history of being exploited by developers?
Funny, you would think I would be aware of such things.

Surely to god Creative is aware that tens of thousands of CLAMS were gamed through a lottery system that dooglus spotted and pushed for a fix.  Why would she not be aware of such things?

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not perfect.

None of this is new news.

[SuperClam]

Clams have always been experimental.. though due to increased community and associated value we greatly limit the experimental ideas. Some things work out some things don't, the lottery was a case of the latter. To suggest it represents a worrisome history of exploitation is a little misleading coming from you imo.
We (the developers) never claimed to be perfect, In fact I'm sure you can find multiple posts we suggest were not and ask for help.
We are however all very passionate about technology and cryptocurrency and most especially clams.

I know you aren't perfect and I really do think you try Xploited however that doesn't mean your system didn't get gamed by a person very high up the ladder.  I'm not being misleading & ya it's slightly worrisome... to me this seems misleading:

CLAM's history of being exploited by developers is worrisome. (I do believe you and xploited though)

CLAM has a history of being exploited by developers?
Funny, you would think I would be aware of such things.

Surely to god Creative is aware that tens of thousands of CLAMS were gamed through a lottery system that dooglus spotted and pushed for a fix.  Why would she not be aware of such things?
Please someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not perfect.
None of this is new news.

dooglus tracked down rat4, the perpetrator; but, I believe either xploited or tryphe noticed the exploit.

Regardless, rat4 has never been a developer on the CLAM project.
rat4 develop(s?ed?)  for Blackcoin - an entirely different project upstream of our code base.

Be clear in your accusations and wording.

"CLAM's history of being exploited by developers is worrisome."
This insinuates that the people who donate time to work on the CLAM project are involved in your "exploitations".

That is not the case.


Further, I think this is all a bit disingenuous on your part.
You claim to value decentralization; yet you worked tirelessly to express your opinion that the client was untrustworthy - despite volumes of evidence to the contrary. 
You spent hours recommending that users use the very service that currently controls the largest stake weight to insulate themselves from the "shady" client.
The same "shady" client which makes up the backbone of the CLAM network and indeed represents the very software needed to create the decentralization you supposedly seek.


More importantly, you now rail against "developer exploitation", in the middle of a disagreement over your desire to earn advertising dollars.
I think it is not a coincidence that you fail to mention this "developer" manages an entirely different project.
Even worse, you condemn the "thousands" of CLAM staked during the short window of the exploit, despite the fact that those coins were apparently dumped during the time in which you accrued your personal share of CLAM - and proceeded to profit quite significantly from the same.


I think everyone, including me, likes you BAC.
You've worked hard promoting CLAM and consistently been an evangelist for the project.
That work has been priceless and is greatly appreciated.

However, shame on you for the ad hominem attacks and disingenuous concern.

I wish you would stop slapping babies in pursuit of a dime, and come back into the fold.

The CLAM project could use you.

[BayAreaCoins]

Be clear in your accusations and wording.

He was a developer and he exploited CLAM. I even through in the bit that I don't think Xploited and yourself where in bed with him on it, but I can't prove you weren't.

Further, I think this is all a bit disingenuous on your part.
You claim to value decentralization; yet you worked tirelessly to express your opinion that the client was untrustworthy - despite volumes of evidence to the contrary.  
You spent hours recommending that users use the very service that currently controls the largest stake weight to insulate themselves from the "shady" client.
The same "shady" client which makes up the backbone of the CLAM network and indeed represents the very software needed to create the decentralization you supposedly seek.

Where have I said the clam client is untrustworthy?? I just understand that people are sick of downloading wallet after wallet.

I don't think I even called it shady either...  I called it a private key sniffing wallet.  Which I stand by.  

CLAM needs 7 mega services to decentralize properly IMO.  Not every dipshit altcoiner in dipshit altcoin land running a CLAM wallet.  That's a wasteful.

Even worse, you condemn the "thousands" of CLAM staked during the short window of the exploit, despite the fact that those coins were apparently dumped during the time in which you accrued your personal share of CLAM - and proceeded to profit quite significantly from the same.

Timing eh?  That lined up pretty perfectly I can't lie.

However, shame on you for the ad hominem attacks and disingenuous concern.

I have no clue what that means, but this is what I honestly lay in bed worrying about.  It's probably because I take my tin foil hat off to sleep, but o well!  The partners of Clamcoin.org owned roughly 10% of all the CLAMS in existence up until not long ago... so of course I worried.  

I wish you would stop slapping babies in pursuit of a dime, and come back into the fold.

[jd1959]

Chillax Guys while debate is good thing, there is a fine line that's best left uncrossed where it starts to look like an argument and losses focus.

I've been watching this thread for months and I can speak no evil of Superclam or dooglus. Clams has been and continues to be an interesting and exciting experiment. Any how that's my 2 cents worth love to all.

Jon

[grouper fish]

Hi!

Trying to import an old multibit wallet using the following steps,

Download the CLAM Client, below.
Open MultiBit.
Click Tools -> Export Private Keys.
Select "Do not password protect export file".
Enter your wallet password, if any.
Click "Export Private Keys".
Find the multbit.key file (or whatever you named to exported keys).
Copy it into the folder where you have the clam-qt.exe file.
Open the CLAM Client.
Click Help -> Debug window.
Select the "Console" Tab.
Type: importwallet multibit.key (or whatever you named to exported keys).
Enjoy your CLAMS

This gets me a "CDB : Error 2, can't open database (code -1)" message in the console.


is there an easy way to convert the .wallet file to a .dat file? Or is there another way to import a .wallet (or .key) file directly?

sorry if this is an old question, I'm new to CLAM. 

[blueshoe]

Hi!


is there an easy way to convert the .wallet file to a .dat file? Or is there another way to import a .wallet (or .key) file directly?

sorry if this is an old question, I'm new to CLAM. 

console
importprivkey 5xyzyourkeyxxxxx


But what surprises me, there is no one who can prove that the private keys are safe?
There must be someone who can explain that and why the keys are secure.
There has to be a fact that exists or not.
Where is the explanation?

[grouper fish]

Hi!


is there an easy way to convert the .wallet file to a .dat file? Or is there another way to import a .wallet (or .key) file directly?

sorry if this is an old question, I'm new to CLAM. 

console
importprivkey 5xyzyourkeyxxxxx


But what surprises me, there is no one who can prove that the private keys are safe?
There must be someone who can explain that and why the keys are secure.
There has to be a fact that exists or not.
Where is the explanation?

Thank you. 

Not to worried about this key in particular (old empty wallet) but I will be following to see if there is a good explanation to what happens to the keys.

[dooglus]

But what surprises me, there is no one who can prove that the private keys are safe?
There must be someone who can explain that and why the keys are secure.
There has to be a fact that exists or not.
Where is the explanation?

I can try to explain how it works...

Replace BTC with LTC or DOGE throughout, because it applies to them just the same... for the sake of simplicity I'll assume you're importing a BTC private key.

When the initial distribution was made, the CLAM developers looked at the BTC blockchain, and made a list of all the addresses that had funds. They converted each BTC address into the corresponding CLAM address. The only difference is the "version number" that is used to convert the RIPE-MD hash into an address - in BTC it's version 1 (which makes BTC addresses begin with a '1') and in CLAM it's version 137 (which makes CLAM addresses begin with an 'x'). Then they funded each of the corresponding CLAM addresses with 4.6 CLAMs.

To spend those 4.6 CLAM outputs, you need the addresses' private keys. The private key for each CLAM address is the same as the corresponding BTC address' private key. To spend an output, you create a transaction that moves the value to a new address, and sign it using the private key. Then you broadcast the signed transaction to the network. The private key itself is only used for signing and isn't broadcast.

Whether "the keys are secure" or not depends on whether the CLAM client software is trustworthy or not. You are giving it your private keys, and trusting it to only use them to sign a transaction that moves your 4.6 CLAMs for you. In theory it is possible that it could also check whether there is a balance at the corresponding BTC address. It could, in theory steal any such BTC. There have been no reports ever of the CLAM client software stealing anyone's BTC, so it's likely safe. Also the source code is open source. You can inspect it, and build the client for yourself from source. That's what I do.

Incidentally, note that any random shitcoin wallet you download is just as able to steal your BTC. When you download and run a program, it can do whatever it wants on your computer. There's nothing to stop it looking in your bitcoin folder and uploading your BTC private keys to its author. There's nothing to stop it watching you type your wallet passphrase into the Bitcoin wallet, and then telling the passphrase to its owner. The message here is to be careful *whenever* you download and run programs from the Internet. Any program is potentially coin-stealing malware.

This probably isn't what you were hoping to hear, but it's the truth. Downloading and running programs basically allows the program's author to do whatever he likes on your computer, whether or not that program has an "import wallet' menu entry.

Personally I trust the CLAM client, and have imported wallets which have hundreds of BTC still in them without any issue.

[SuperClam]

But what surprises me, there is no one who can prove that the private keys are safe?
There must be someone who can explain that and why the keys are secure.
There has to be a fact that exists or not.
Where is the explanation?

I can try to explain how it works...
Replace BTC with LTC or DOGE throughout, because it applies to them just the same... for the sake of simplicity I'll assume you're importing a BTC private key.
When the initial distribution was made, the CLAM developers looked at the BTC blockchain, and made a list of all the addresses that had funds. They converted each BTC address into the corresponding CLAM address. The only difference is the "version number" that is used to convert the RIPE-MD hash into an address - in BTC it's version 1 (which makes BTC addresses begin with a '1') and in CLAM it's version 137 (which makes CLAM addresses begin with an 'x'). Then they funded each of the corresponding CLAM addresses with 4.6 CLAMs.
To spend those 4.6 CLAM outputs, you need the addresses' private keys. The private key for each CLAM address is the same as the corresponding BTC address' private key. To spend an output, you create a transaction that moves the value to a new address, and sign it using the private key. Then you broadcast the signed transaction to the network. The private key itself is only used for signing and isn't broadcast.
Whether "the keys are secure" or not depends on whether the CLAM client software is trustworthy or not. You are giving it your private keys, and trusting it to only use them to sign a transaction that moves your 4.6 CLAMs for you. In theory it is possible that it could also check whether there is a balance at the corresponding BTC address. It could, in theory steal any such BTC. There have been no reports ever of the CLAM client software stealing anyone's BTC, so it's likely safe. Also the source code is open source. You can inspect it, and build the client for yourself from source. That's what I do.
Incidentally, note that any random shitcoin wallet you download is just as able to steal your BTC. When you download and run a program, it can do whatever it wants on your computer. There's nothing to stop it looking in your bitcoin folder and uploading your BTC private keys to its author. There's nothing to stop it watching you type your wallet passphrase into the Bitcoin wallet, and then telling the passphrase to its owner. The message here is to be careful *whenever* you download and run programs from the Internet. Any program is potentially coin-stealing malware.
This probably isn't what you were hoping to hear, but it's the truth. Downloading and running programs basically allows the program's author to do whatever he likes on your computer, whether or not that program has an "import wallet' menu entry.
Personally I trust the CLAM client, and have imported wallets which have hundreds of BTC still in them without any issue.

Well written; as always.

Incidentally, note that any random shitcoin wallet you download is just as able to steal your BTC. When you download and run a program, it can do whatever it wants on your computer. There's nothing to stop it looking in your bitcoin folder and uploading your BTC private keys to its author. There's nothing to stop it watching you type your wallet passphrase into the Bitcoin wallet, and then telling the passphrase to its owner. The message here is to be careful *whenever* you download and run programs from the Internet. Any program is potentially coin-stealing malware.

I think this portion deserves emphasis.

If someone wanted to steal your BTC, LTC and/or DOGE - there are easier, less suspect, ways to go about it.

[ShapeShift.io]

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NOTE: ShapeShift will be adding their Android app soon. Stay tuned!

[richiela]

Can the dev team please get a hold of us?  having some issues with the wallet

richie@bittrex

[richiela]

Can the dev team please get a hold of us?  having some issues with the wallet

richie@bittrex

Thanks for the quick reply and assist... wallet is open again...

richie@bittrex

[dooglus]

Can the dev team please get a hold of us?  having some issues with the wallet

richie@bittrex

Thanks for the quick reply and assist... wallet is open again...

richie@bittrex

It seems the bittrex wallet got so full of dust outputs that it was unable to make any outgoing payments without exceeding the transaction size limit.

I made a change to my CLAM repository which aims to prevent this from happening again in the future. It could do with some peer review and testing before it gets into the official releases.