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February 02, 2015, 08:32:05 AM
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Hot annoucement directly from the PR Team:
 
Soon @vbcs will release the Crowdfunding AT Beta! There you can support or create a new crowdfunding for your future big project, helping a social cause like a charity for Ebola or "Save the Children", scientific investigations, or to get funds to record your music. All the funds will go to the owner of the CF if he gets the 100% of the funds by the closing date. Smiley

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February 02, 2015, 08:38:17 AM
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Alright... What am I doing wrong? Optimized plots take longer to scan then unoptimized plots.

It's starting to seem like the only way to improve scan times is with a faster processor and more memory (bigger stagger size), contrary to what I've been told. Optimizing only helps on really low end systems (CPU/Memory). It's counterproductive if you have a fast CPU and lots of memory.
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February 02, 2015, 08:51:31 AM
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Alright... What am I doing wrong? Optimized plots take longer to scan then unoptimized plots.

It's starting to seem like the only way to improve scan times is with a faster processor and more memory (bigger stagger size), contrary to what I've been told. Optimizing only helps on really low end systems (CPU/Memory). It's counterproductive if you have a fast CPU and lots of memory.
That's what i thought at the begging. Just optimize all your plots on all your drives and then you'll see the difference.

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February 02, 2015, 09:12:49 AM
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Alright... What am I doing wrong? Optimized plots take longer to scan then unoptimized plots.

It's starting to seem like the only way to improve scan times is with a faster processor and more memory (bigger stagger size), contrary to what I've been told. Optimizing only helps on really low end systems (CPU/Memory). It's counterproductive if you have a fast CPU and lots of memory.
That's what i thought at the begging. Just optimize all your plots on all your drives and then you'll see the difference.

It'd only be different for 'bulk' mining, where my CPU and memory are being maxed out. It seems inferior from a performance perspective on a faster PC (CPU and memory).

Considering this takes a day and a half to optimize each drive, and a day to replot if this ends up messed up, I really am not very interested in just taking another leap of faith here as the answers I'm starting to find are more and more conflicting.

Like the 'merge' tool, which isn't really a merge tool... It increases your stagger size to it's maximum?!? I was under the impression your stagger size is equivalent to the amount of memory I have. In some spots I'm reading the optimizer and the merge tool are one in the same, just called different things.


Edit: Put both optimized disks into the A4-4000. 2x optimized disks being mined takes 79s, 2x unoptimized disks being mined takes 67s.
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February 02, 2015, 09:45:36 AM
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^I'm on core i7 16GB, 30 TB plots on 8 external USB 3 drives. The optimization is ordering your plots in a way that each block it reads sequential from your HDD with much less seeks. HDDs are much, much faster with sequential reading. When some of the plots are optimized and others are not you can't see a big difference, but when they are all optimized you'll read your plots much faster.

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February 02, 2015, 09:48:53 AM
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I plot & optimize at my high-end system (i7+32gb) but I mine on a very low-end system (atom+4gb) for 24/7.

My questions regarding mining performance...
 - Is there a recommended settings for generator_plot & miner using low-end system I should keep in mind?
 - Is it normal to see a lot of "no deadline" mining status on a 1TB plotted disk?
 - Let say using couple of 3TB, is there a mining performance difference with 1 plot per drive vs. multiple plots per drive?
 - does USB 2.0 overhead scanning of HDD?

Thanks in advance!

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February 02, 2015, 10:15:28 AM
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^I'm on core i7 16GB, 30 TB plots on 8 external USB 3 drives. The optimization is ordering your plots in a way that each block it reads sequential from your HDD with much less seeks. HDDs are much, much faster with sequential reading. When some of the plots are optimized and others are not you can't see a big difference, but when they are all optimized you'll read your plots much faster.

I did a 1 optimized vs a 1 unoptimized comparison on two different systems and both unoptimized drives were faster. I just did 2x optimized vs 2x unoptimized and the unoptimized pair were still faster. I can imagine the unoptimized drives are even faster with more memory and a higher stagger size.

Watching the reading numbers in resource monitor, the unoptimized drives read faster then the optimized drives as per my screenshot on the last page, which I confirmed on two different systems.

I understand what 'optimizing' is supposed to do (sequential vs random seeks), but it doesn't seem to be doing it, I messed up the optimization somehow, or I'm supposed to tweak Blagos miner somehow to better utilize the optimized plots. If a disk goes from mainly random seeks to sequential transfers, it should be much, much faster, especially on my 5900RPM drives, it's not doing that though. That should be a given regardless the number of disks on the system.

Sequential throughput on these drives is from 80-180MB/s. It's reading the optimized disks at 10MB/s.

Also worth mentioning, these are 5TB drives.


It could very well be that my systems are too slow to properly utilize the optimized drives, however, the unoptimized drives shouldn't be faster. I mean I'm not making this stuff up, I'm reading this out of resource monitor and looking at the mine times on Blagos.

This may have something to do with the unoptimized drives still using a stagger, while the optimized ones no longer use a buffer(stagger?). Is there anyway to force a optimized drive to continue to use a buffer?
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This is the worst coin i have tried to setup! It's annoying as hell and time consuming! For two days i have been trying -.-
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February 02, 2015, 10:34:43 AM
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Anyone want help out with three questions from a reporter? The document is on google doc and open to edit for everyone with the link. It's pretty basic questions, have a look if you want.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cAFfaUjYUCXc8VMk341F7yR99OhhfEq-Z7xNpRQagkM/edit?usp=sharing

I can't guarantee that your contribution end-up in the paper, of course.

If you have contributed, write your BTT nick on the document and send a PM here with your BURST address and i'll send some coins as a token of appreciation. Sending donations to participants is a intention, and not a promise: Donations can be withhold if I believe the member lie or if too many members are included in writing or editing.

Thanks!

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February 02, 2015, 10:35:31 AM
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This is the worst coin i have tried to setup! It's annoying as hell and time consuming! For two days i have been trying -.-

Have you read the guides?

Here is a guide on YouTube for Windows, remember that it's six month but it still shows some of the basic steps.
http://youtu.be/b4zOAHoncF0

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February 02, 2015, 11:01:12 AM
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This is the worst coin i have tried to setup! It's annoying as hell and time consuming! For two days i have been trying -.-

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... and I'm going on a month and still running into shit. I've had to delete two rants tonight already before I posted them. Jesus.

PoC2 couldnt' come sooner. Someone should make a GPU assisted miner, but I think all the people that can already purchased super beefy systems so there is no incentive for them to do so. Oh, BTW, you need a super beefy system if you want to mine this coin in any sizeable amount (10TB+).
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February 02, 2015, 11:08:54 AM
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This is the worst coin i have tried to setup! It's annoying as hell and time consuming! For two days i have been trying -.-

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... and I'm going on a month and still running into shit. I've had to delete two rants tonight already before I posted them. Jesus.

PoC2 couldnt' come sooner. Someone should make a GPU assisted miner, but I think all the people that can already purchased super beefy systems so there is no incentive for them to do so. Oh, BTW, you need a super beefy system if you want to mine this coin in any sizeable amount (10TB+).

Thats actually not true at all. You can mine 10TB with a Notebook from 2008 without big problems. I even use the RAM-hungrier java miner and still it's working with 4GB Ram. You should upgrade with an ExpressCard to USB 3.0 or even better SATA and you are good for going.
Of course you have to use Linux.

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February 02, 2015, 11:19:30 AM
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https://temp.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_burst

Something is moving... Wink Great volume too!

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February 02, 2015, 11:28:54 AM
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This is the worst coin i have tried to setup! It's annoying as hell and time consuming! For two days i have been trying -.-

Have you read the guides?

Here is a guide on YouTube for Windows, remember that it's six month but it still shows some of the basic steps.
http://youtu.be/b4zOAHoncF0

I have read alot and it seems that even the way you use a batch file to create a plot changes from version to version, so solution to past problems won't solve your present problems. I also read that i need alot of space for it to realy make any sense mining, is that true? I have 1TB of free space, but everyone is talking about 4TB, 10+TB some guy even got 18TB, can't compete with that. Btw what is the filled space used up for? Is it senseless mining like most other coins? I know you use less energy, but wouldn't it be better to use it for something?

This is the worst coin i have tried to setup! It's annoying as hell and time consuming! For two days i have been trying -.-

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... and I'm going on a month and still running into shit. I've had to delete two rants tonight already before I posted them. Jesus.

PoC2 couldnt' come sooner. Someone should make a GPU assisted miner, but I think all the people that can already purchased super beefy systems so there is no incentive for them to do so. Oh, BTW, you need a super beefy system if you want to mine this coin in any sizeable amount (10TB+).

This stress is not worth it, i guess most people will give in in less time than me -> coin isn't going to attract more people -> coin might die
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February 02, 2015, 11:34:40 AM
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https://temp.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_burst

Something is moving... Wink Great volume too!

and seems like this will continue Wink

go go burst!!!   as i always sayd, this is just the beginning!!! Tongue
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I have read alot and it seems that even the way you use a batch file to create a plot changes from version to version, so solution to past problems won't solve your present problems. I also read that i need alot of space for it to realy make any sense mining, is that true? I have 1TB of free space, but everyone is talking about 4TB, 10+TB some guy even got 18TB, can't compete with that. Btw what is the filled space used up for? Is it senseless mining like most other coins? I know you use less energy, but wouldn't it be better to use it for something?


Today you can make around 5$ with 1TB per Month. If you have that 1TB lying around doing nothing, you should mine with it and you get 4 or 8 times (depends on your kwh costs) the money back for your pc hardware electricity costs. 5$ per month is no so much would you think, but it depends where you are living. Imagine you work in a very poor country for 20$ per week or so.

With 10TB you make 50$ per month an so on... and the price is climbing.

The space is filled and you can't use it for other things, but if you have free space available just lying around, you are wasting it too.

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We are working about creating a more user-friendly plotter-miner with a GUI(without using terminal!), if you try to mine in Ubuntu i can help you to set-up your miner. Respect about the filled space, the burstdev said that in the future that space can be used to create like a huge cloud storage, but hey, this coin is young, PoC  is totaly new, be patient!

If you have any more question, ask me via private messages, Burst deserves a try ! Wink

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February 02, 2015, 11:55:49 AM
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https://temp.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_burst

Something is moving... Wink Great volume too!

and seems like this will continue Wink

go go burst!!!   as i always sayd, this is just the beginning!!! Tongue

7btc buy wall @ 250sat, and several smaller after that. Could we get a new floor?

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February 02, 2015, 12:04:01 PM
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https://temp.poloniex.com/exchange#btc_burst

Something is moving... Wink Great volume too!

and seems like this will continue Wink

go go burst!!!   as i always sayd, this is just the beginning!!! Tongue

7btc buy wall @ 250sat, and several smaller after that. Could we get a new floor?

be sure about that, i dont know what you really think about it guys but from my point of view Burst was/is so cheap... soon or later ppl will start to realize that this is the best alt coin ATM ( because of his features ), with the best mining algorithm, is just a question of time that this will happend, are you guys ready for it? Tongue

the burstdev said that in the future that space can be used to create like a huge cloud storage

no comments, can you imagine that? awesome, just awesome Smiley
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February 02, 2015, 12:21:21 PM
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I'm now trying the Dev Pool V2 at http://178.62.39.204:8121/. And it can be mine by using pocminer_pool.jar only, right? What if I have plots in 5 harddisks, so must I start 5 pocminer_pool.jar instances in different harddisk? Correct me if I'm wrong?

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