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[FakeAccount]

I'm not concerned with the electricity comment. Vitalik is correct, marginal rate of return will equalize towards marginal revenue, however, this in it self isn't good or bad for burst, it's the same for all commodities in the world (including crypto currencies) etc... what it means is that if input costs are high (electricity) then presumably price should be higher to recoup those costs (obvious if you ask me). so one could state that btc should be more expensive than burst cause one of the cost components (electricity) is used in different proportions (more of it). it's a simplistic explanation and again, this particular comment, is not an indicator of anything concerning either way since all coins follow it (or should in the long run).

what I'm most interested in, are the other comments, particularly the issues or concerns, weaknesses etc... reading those, I had a hard time following what was a comment and who's response and what it was to a comment. this should be openly discussed and not dismissed, if it's just dismissed then folks can label burst a cult or something like that.  also, please don't misunderstand what I'm saying, this isn't a negative tone towards burst at all, on the contrary, I'm very much interested in seeing burst get discussed, vetted and understood so that it's adoption can speed up.  hope all this makes sense. thanks!!

[burstcoin]

what I'm most interested in, are the other comments, particularly the issues or concerns, weaknesses etc... reading those, I had a hard time following what was a comment and who's response and what it was to a comment. this should be openly discussed and not dismissed, if it's just dismissed then folks can label burst a cult or something like that.  also, please don't misunderstand what I'm saying, this isn't a negative tone towards burst at all, on the contrary, I'm very much interested in seeing burst get discussed, vetted and understood so that it's adoption can speed up.  hope all this makes sense. thanks!!

His first post is about "nothing at stake" which is a weakness for all non-PoW systems including PoS and burst's PoC. This has previous been acknowledged as applying to burst.

His second post is criticizing a feature of Nxt which is not in burst. I tend to agree with him that it's a bad idea, so I don't expect to be putting that in burst anyway.

[burstcoin]

POC2
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If someone mentioned it already, point me to it. What you just did is PoW with variable time/space tradeoff as used in cryptanalysis and password crackers. In current PoC, the split ratio it permanently fixed, disfavouring PoW heavily. It's been actually discussed few years ago in #bitcoin as PoW alternative. For each bit of nonce storage shaved off, the readout can brute force it in a time-space tradeoff. Assuming we get 2^22 of 32bit nonces in a scoop number/1TB readout where we hash 2^22 times to get 2^22 candidate deadlines, we could store 2^22 31bit nonces, and hash 2^23 times during a readout... with 1Gh/s GPU you can get rid of 10 bits or so. Yes, it's a logarithmic relation, but profitable to PoW up to a point (1/3 split PoW/Poc). The problem is that one needs more and more faster PoW as PoC gets larger, potentially up to 50/50 split of the tradeoff (when using ASICs for the POW part).

Ironically, this solves your point 1, as POC2 is capped by PoW requirement introduced.

Bottomline, plotting will be very slow using groestl as it is. Forget about slowing it down even more with that PoW during plotting, the throughput is not up for it. Salsa kernel or even siphash (1GByte/s) could bring it to speeds of current plotting, with 6-8 zero bits plot-PoW (1GByte/s & 8 bit pow -> 4MByte/s). Ideally, this step can be avoided altogether, and just use large totalscoops instead, though it brings engineering difficulties to make memory usage during plotting sane.

I hadn't thought of that with the pow/poc tradeoff for saving space. I'll keep that in mind.

Most testing I've done has been using a target that 50% of nonces make it through, and I have been finding throughput to be a major issue. I'm not giving up on groestl yet, but I'll take a look at those if I can't get performance to an acceptable level. In the most recent version the sorting thread can't keep up with a 7970 hashing, so I expect there'll be a significant speedup by refactoring that.

[larraboj]

Hey everyone, I'm using Uray's Burst miner for Windows and I need some help forcing the miner to use my Wifi connection's IP instead of using my Ethernet. Does anybody know what type modification does the .Conf file would require to make program connect to internet through my Wifi card and not through wired Ethernet? Reason for that is that I'm using a VPN with my Ethernet and I want the miner not having to go through the VPN, instead I want it to use my Wifi connection. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

This seems to be Windows issue, but I'm curious that how to you surf net with Wifi connection while your Ethernet connection still on? As long as you have Ethernet connection on, Windows will use Ethernet instead of Wifi.

I use ForceBindIP for most of my programs and I force them to use my Wifi instead of my Ethernet card, and works perfectly.

why?

[cyberspacemonkey]

Hey everyone, I'm using Uray's Burst miner for Windows and I need some help forcing the miner to use my Wifi connection's IP instead of using my Ethernet. Does anybody know what type modification does the .Conf file would require to make program connect to internet through my Wifi card and not through wired Ethernet? Reason for that is that I'm using a VPN with my Ethernet and I want the miner not having to go through the VPN, instead I want it to use my Wifi connection. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  

This seems to be Windows issue, but I'm curious that how to you surf net with Wifi connection while your Ethernet connection still on? As long as you have Ethernet connection on, Windows will use Ethernet instead of Wifi.

I use ForceBindIP for most of my programs and I force them to use my Wifi instead of my Ethernet card, and works perfectly.

why?

Because I have a corporate VPN with my Ethernet card, and don't want my employer to have full monitoring of my internet access.



Also the fact that the VPN does not allow internet access to Burst miner.

[crowetic]

I seem to be having an issue with the lotteries, when I go to http://localhost:8125/atlotteries.html it gives me file missing error, but the file is clearly there. What is it that I'm not doing correctly

[vbcs]

I seem to be having an issue with the lotteries, when I go to http://localhost:8125/atlotteries.html it gives me file missing error, but the file is clearly there. What is it that I'm not doing correctly

Is the .hrml located under html/ui ?? Also are you using localhost or 127.0.0.1 to browse the burst wallet? If you are using 127.0.0.1 you probably need to download the other version.

[crowetic]

I seem to be having an issue with the lotteries, when I go to http://localhost:8125/atlotteries.html it gives me file missing error, but the file is clearly there. What is it that I'm not doing correctly

Is the .hrml located under html/ui ?? Also are you using localhost or 127.0.0.1 to browse the burst wallet? If you are using 127.0.0.1 you probably need to download the other version.

lol. I'm an idiot. Thanks!


I had it in the wrong folder, must have overlooked that part.

[mmmaybe]

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* BURST's official homepage is now not only offering download of the latest BURST Wallet, but also an updated version of the blockchain folder for faster downloads! NOTE: only use this option if you are having problem downloading the blockchain from your peers!


* We want to improve the existing guides to lower the mining questions - money is offered for contributers! Click the link for further information.


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***EDIT: added a point and changed another
***EDIT2: added a new point

[lagur]

Can I use my atom cpu + 2GB to mine some plotted TB SATA hdds?

Thanks

[xizmax]

Can I use my atom cpu + 2GB to mine some plotted TB SATA hdds?

Thanks

Don't see why not, atom is a pretty regular x86 cpu, should work with all the miners without tweaks.

You probably will need some optimizations to your setup to achieve decent read times, depending on total size of your plots.
Additionally with 2gb of ram I think it would be more prudent to set it all up on linux

[lagur]

Can I use my atom cpu + 2GB to mine some plotted TB SATA hdds?

Thanks

Don't see why not, atom is a pretty regular x86 cpu, should work with all the miners without tweaks.

You probably will need some optimizations to your setup to achieve decent read times, depending on total size of your plots.
Additionally with 2gb of ram I think it would be more prudent to set it all up on linux

Thanks, I was worried if cpu speed if somehow a big factor in hash speed and I guess the same with ram?

Just planning to use my windows home server for burst mining.

[xizmax]

Can I use my atom cpu + 2GB to mine some plotted TB SATA hdds?

Thanks

Don't see why not, atom is a pretty regular x86 cpu, should work with all the miners without tweaks.

You probably will need some optimizations to your setup to achieve decent read times, depending on total size of your plots.
Additionally with 2gb of ram I think it would be more prudent to set it all up on linux

Thanks, I was worried if cpu speed if somehow a big factor in hash speed and I guess the same with ram?

Just planning to use my windows home server for burst mining.

I cannot commit in advance to saying you won't run into issues. However, I encourage you to try in setting it up. Should you run into any snags, that's what this forum and burstforum.com are for

[mczarnek]

* BURST's official homepage is now not only offering download of the latest BURST Wallet, but also an updated version of the blockchain folder for faster downloads! Updates will be regularly[/b]

All very nice, thanks mmmaybe!  Would be nice to get that email list going and send out short updates like this.

Regarding the download of the blockchain.. on the one hand I like it, on the other... does that defeat the decentralization of the network?

[mmmaybe]

We have noticed that a lot more people are able to answer mining questions now than before - that's nice But ideally we'd not have any questions if the guides were good enough.

We would like to update crowetic's guide but have little time doing so. Here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ytq47AmQZ1rzjoFuMW33c82JkuJ1L61Pdp95ZLbi3-k/

So here's an offer: if you feel like you could improve the text, email burst@countermail.com, include your BTT nick and some links to answers you've given in the thread or at BurstForum.com, and I'll give editing rights on the document. If you contribute constructively to the guide, I will send at least 5000 BURST to you as a token of appreciation. If you do a lot of quality work, the payment will be considerably higher.

We want the best possible guide


If not a minimum of three people email their interest and are considered qualified, I'll make it open for all to edit but will not pay anyone.


The same conditions applies to TetraHect0rCannabinol's linux guide found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731923.msg8299637#msg8299637 It will also be on google docs.

Thanks!



***EDIT: this is cross-posted at BurstForum, and the post here will be deleted eventually trying to move of the activetly to BurstForum.com, as there are much better possibilities at that forum to separate topics and questions.
***EDIT2: If you have try to email already I'm sorry, but I've corrected the email address now: burst@countermail.com and nothing else.

[mmmaybe]

* BURST's official homepage is now not only offering download of the latest BURST Wallet, but also an updated version of the blockchain folder for faster downloads! Updates will be regularly[/b]

All very nice, thanks mmmaybe!  Would be nice to get that email list going and send out short updates like this.

Regarding the download of the blockchain.. on the one hand I like it, on the other... does that defeat the decentralization of the network?

It's absolutely a problem for decentralization; the download of the DB is considered an help for those having problem and not every one should use. The difference with having it on a Torrent, as some has before, we will monitor the number the downloads: if they become too many, we will stop updating it or completely remove it.

I edited the post to make this point clear.


The email list is being worked on by Irontiga (I, unfortunately, had some rare requests..., and that made the implementation more complicated). But I think is soon is ready for the public

***EDIT

[crazyearner]

We have noticed that a lot more people are able to answer mining questions now than before - that's nice But ideally we'd not have any questions if the guides were good enough.

We would like to update crowetic's guide but have little time doing so. Here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ytq47AmQZ1rzjoFuMW33c82JkuJ1L61Pdp95ZLbi3-k/

So here's an offer: if you feel like you could improve the text, email burst@countermail.com, include your BTT nick and some links to answers you've given in the thread or at BurstForum.com, and I'll give editing rights on the document. If you contribute constructively to the guide, I will send at least 5000 BURST to you as a token of appreciation. If you do a lot of quality work, the payment will be considerably higher.

We want the best possible guide


If not a minimum of three people email their interest and are considered qualified, I'll make it open for all to edit but will not pay anyone.


The same conditions applies to TetraHect0rCannabinol's linux guide found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731923.msg8299637#msg8299637 It will also be on google docs.

Thanks!



***EDIT: this is cross-posted at BurstForum, and the post here will be deleted eventually trying to move of the activetly to BurstForum.com, as there are much better possibilities at that forum to separate topics and questions.
***EDIT2: If you have try to email already I'm sorry, but I've corrected the email address now: burst@countermail.com and nothing else.

I am working on getting a guide done and this will be listed on burstcoin section on my website very shortly. Full guide completed with video guidance and a lot more too as been learning as much as one can to better understand this coin and then help others out with it too

[mmmaybe]

We have noticed that a lot more people are able to answer mining questions now than before - that's nice But ideally we'd not have any questions if the guides were good enough.

We would like to update crowetic's guide but have little time doing so. Here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ytq47AmQZ1rzjoFuMW33c82JkuJ1L61Pdp95ZLbi3-k/

So here's an offer: if you feel like you could improve the text, email burst@countermail.com, include your BTT nick and some links to answers you've given in the thread or at BurstForum.com, and I'll give editing rights on the document. If you contribute constructively to the guide, I will send at least 5000 BURST to you as a token of appreciation. If you do a lot of quality work, the payment will be considerably higher.

We want the best possible guide


If not a minimum of three people email their interest and are considered qualified, I'll make it open for all to edit but will not pay anyone.


The same conditions applies to TetraHect0rCannabinol's linux guide found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731923.msg8299637#msg8299637 It will also be on google docs.

Thanks!



***EDIT: this is cross-posted at BurstForum, and the post here will be deleted eventually trying to move of the activetly to BurstForum.com, as there are much better possibilities at that forum to separate topics and questions.
***EDIT2: If you have try to email already I'm sorry, but I've corrected the email address now: burst@countermail.com and nothing else.

I am working on getting a guide done and this will be listed on burstcoin section on my website very shortly. Full guide completed with video guidance and a lot more too as been learning as much as one can to better understand this coin and then help others out with it too

Impressive! A couple of things:
- a video guide is being produced already, so if I were you I would not start that project at now.
- in the post I said that We want the best possible guide! We could use your document and crow's - and you get paid and might get ppl helping you. How about that?

[FakeAccount]

We have noticed that a lot more people are able to answer mining questions now than before - that's nice But ideally we'd not have any questions if the guides were good enough.

We would like to update crowetic's guide but have little time doing so. Here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ytq47AmQZ1rzjoFuMW33c82JkuJ1L61Pdp95ZLbi3-k/

So here's an offer: if you feel like you could improve the text, email burst@countermail.com, include your BTT nick and some links to answers you've given in the thread or at BurstForum.com, and I'll give editing rights on the document. If you contribute constructively to the guide, I will send at least 5000 BURST to you as a token of appreciation. If you do a lot of quality work, the payment will be considerably higher.

We want the best possible guide


If not a minimum of three people email their interest and are considered qualified, I'll make it open for all to edit but will not pay anyone.


The same conditions applies to TetraHect0rCannabinol's linux guide found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731923.msg8299637#msg8299637 It will also be on google docs.

Thanks!



***EDIT: this is cross-posted at BurstForum, and the post here will be deleted eventually trying to move of the activetly to BurstForum.com, as there are much better possibilities at that forum to separate topics and questions.
***EDIT2: If you have try to email already I'm sorry, but I've corrected the email address now: burst@countermail.com and nothing else.

I am working on getting a guide done and this will be listed on burstcoin section on my website very shortly. Full guide completed with video guidance and a lot more too as been learning as much as one can to better understand this coin and then help others out with it too

Impressive! A couple of things:
- a video guide is being produced already, so if I were you I would not start that project at now.
- in the post I said that We want the best possible guide! We could use your document and crow's - and you get paid and might get ppl helping you. How about that?

a non-Java port is also needed to increase adoption.  the latest generation is not so keen on Java.

[mmmaybe]

We have noticed that a lot more people are able to answer mining questions now than before - that's nice But ideally we'd not have any questions if the guides were good enough.

We would like to update crowetic's guide but have little time doing so. Here it is: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ytq47AmQZ1rzjoFuMW33c82JkuJ1L61Pdp95ZLbi3-k/

So here's an offer: if you feel like you could improve the text, email burst@countermail.com, include your BTT nick and some links to answers you've given in the thread or at BurstForum.com, and I'll give editing rights on the document. If you contribute constructively to the guide, I will send at least 5000 BURST to you as a token of appreciation. If you do a lot of quality work, the payment will be considerably higher.

We want the best possible guide


If not a minimum of three people email their interest and are considered qualified, I'll make it open for all to edit but will not pay anyone.


The same conditions applies to TetraHect0rCannabinol's linux guide found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731923.msg8299637#msg8299637 It will also be on google docs.

Thanks!



***EDIT: this is cross-posted at BurstForum, and the post here will be deleted eventually trying to move of the activetly to BurstForum.com, as there are much better possibilities at that forum to separate topics and questions.
***EDIT2: If you have try to email already I'm sorry, but I've corrected the email address now: burst@countermail.com and nothing else.

I am working on getting a guide done and this will be listed on burstcoin section on my website very shortly. Full guide completed with video guidance and a lot more too as been learning as much as one can to better understand this coin and then help others out with it too

Impressive! A couple of things:
- a video guide is being produced already, so if I were you I would not start that project at now.
- in the post I said that We want the best possible guide! We could use your document and crow's - and you get paid and might get ppl helping you. How about that?

a non-Java port is also needed to increase adoption.  the latest generation is not so keen on Java.

"A non-Java port"? We were discussing guides, but we are planning for a complete GUI for both plotting and mining.

That's one option in a crowd-fund case in AT, to get together and collect the the means to pay a dev to do that. But no one seems interested in discussing the next AT case, which I posted about. Until we get a GUI, I find guides important to reduce mining problems