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January 28, 2015, 09:01:47 PM
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You can read about the lottery LuckyAT above, but BURST already supports a number of various ATs, one being crowdfunding. So LuckyAT is going to continue to run and find a winner about once a week, automatically, but at the same time we need to get the other ATs started. The PR Team has discussed with the developers (vbcs and CIYAM) about this, and we decided to go for - crowdfunding.


Crowdfunding has become really popular recently, it's basically asking when one asks a group for financial support for something, but the thing is that this has never been done on a blockchain, decentralized and without any "authority". BURST is first again - it's possible to do by code! In the future everyone can download the the BURST client and set up a crowdfunding case. You set up a BURST account, set the rules for it and let people decide if they want to support it by sending coins to the account or not.

That's really awesome, I think, that people will be able to do that, ask for money for writing a book, or for shopping, or traveling to Mars, or to aid the victims of some earthquake in a foreign country. Decentralized Smiley

But that's the future, and first we have to launch it and do the first one, so the question is: What should our first crowdfunding case be for? What do you think...?

Of course it's possible to say Ebola, coz it's horrible and people are dying form it, but on the other hand we need something smaller and manageable the first time - and hopefully something that benefits BURST and is meaningful for the community. Like when we started with a simple, but at the same time very real, lottery.
 
Things we talked about as the first crowdfunding case was support for a promo video, or creating a "Dev fund" (since the developers didn't do any pre-mine or IPO, they don't have $15 mill like Ethereum does), or money to a hire a programmer to code a combined plotter and miner with an easy-to-understand GUI to finally end all mining questions...

Since it's the community who's going to have to support the case in the end, it's important to hear what everyone thinks we should do as the first case - so it becomes successful. So enough of me writing to long again - perhaps we'll make a separate thread for this later - but let's begin with to hear what you would support and take it from there. Smiley



***edit: also posted at burstforum: https://burstforum.com/index.php?threads/first-luckyat-and-now-crowdfunding-implementing-the-next-at.602/ - use whatever place you want Smiley


One last bump/reminder/wall of text/spam - but please let the PR Team know which crowdfunding case you think are the best!! Technically it's ready to launch, but if we don't get any direction on want you are most likely to support, we might chose an less attractive case. So lets hear it Smiley


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January 28, 2015, 09:16:49 PM
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I lied, heres one more post...   Tongue

This thread is hard to follow due to all the activity - I think me might have to consider moving over most discussions to BurstForum.com However, if you want news in condensed form about what's happening with BURST, please join the PR Team's Twitter ) We just made 500 follower, and really only been active for 10 days.

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We believe our payout system to be the fairest of them all, kinda like snow white. Wink

Really? Somehow, that "0" doesn't look right. Smiley




The thing about mining is... lol

Gotta kinda hit a block in order to get payouts. If more people would join the open beta, it would happen much faster, but it seems like people are probably just going to wait for me to rollover burst.ga to the new code.

Hopefully we will be doing that soon.



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January 28, 2015, 10:52:11 PM
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Hey everyone, I'm using Uray's Burst miner for Windows and I need some help forcing the miner to use my Wifi connection's IP instead of using my Ethernet. Does anybody know what type modification does the .Conf file would require to make program connect to internet through my Wifi card and not through wired Ethernet? Reason for that is that I'm using a VPN with my Ethernet and I want the miner not having to go through the VPN, instead I want it to use my Wifi connection. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Smiley

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January 28, 2015, 11:28:41 PM
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Hey everyone, I'm using Uray's Burst miner for Windows and I need some help forcing the miner to use my Wifi connection's IP instead of using my Ethernet. Does anybody know what type modification does the .Conf file would require to make program connect to internet through my Wifi card and not through wired Ethernet? Reason for that is that I'm using a VPN with my Ethernet and I want the miner not having to go through the VPN, instead I want it to use my Wifi connection. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Smiley

The way that I would do this, is by using a VM that's only on the wifi network, sounds like the easiest way to get this accomplished to me.


just get something like VirtualBox, install Ubuntu, connect to Wifi, start mining. If you've already plotted, you should be able to attach a physical drive to the virtual machine (although I have never done this with VirtualBox, I know it's possible with VMWare (which you can also get free)) and off you go...


Anyway, that's just what I would do. Others can feel free to chime in. Cheesy



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January 28, 2015, 11:44:13 PM
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Interesting discuss with Vitalik in the comments here, other, especially those with a technical background may want to weigh in:
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptocurrency-burst-makes-smart-contracts-reality-happened-ethereum/

And fyi, happy to post for anyone who wants to post anonymously...  just send me a PM with your post.
I tried to read it, but I got lost in the quotations and who said what... what is the summary of comments about BURST?

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January 28, 2015, 11:50:05 PM
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Interesting discuss with Vitalik in the comments here, other, especially those with a technical background may want to weigh in:
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptocurrency-burst-makes-smart-contracts-reality-happened-ethereum/

And fyi, happy to post for anyone who wants to post anonymously...  just send me a PM with your post.
I tried to read it, but I got lost in the quotations and who said what... what is the summary of comments about BURST?


Supporters of other coins saying what they WILL have VS what BURST CURRENTLY HAS, and their blowing hot air.

They're upset that BURST has beaten them without the 15 million budget.

There are also people saying that Hard drives are not as power efficient as ASICs when mining... which blows my mind that anyone would say that. I run ASICs and hard drives, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that ASICs take a SHITLOAD more power to produce the same amount of coins.



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January 28, 2015, 11:53:28 PM
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Seem to be having problems plotting with GpuPlotgenerator When getting to about 80 to 90% on plot seems to keep on crashing my AMD driver for a split sec then does not continue to plot is their a way that gpuplotgenerator can pause on seeing this happen and restart once driver has restarted ??

What is the cause to this causing driver to crash and stop plotting?
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January 28, 2015, 11:57:06 PM
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Interesting discuss with Vitalik in the comments here, other, especially those with a technical background may want to weigh in:
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptocurrency-burst-makes-smart-contracts-reality-happened-ethereum/

And fyi, happy to post for anyone who wants to post anonymously...  just send me a PM with your post.
I tried to read it, but I got lost in the quotations and who said what... what is the summary of comments about BURST?


Supporters of other coins saying what they WILL have VS what BURST CURRENTLY HAS, and their blowing hot air.

They're upset that BURST has beaten them without the 15 million budget.

There are also people saying that Hard drives are not as power efficient as ASICs when mining... which blows my mind that anyone would say that. I run ASICs and hard drives, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that ASICs take a SHITLOAD more power to produce the same amount of coins.

nothing more to say, i agree with you 100% man, if people dont want to see it then people are just blind.

i start to ask to myselft when people with start to notice it, that day burst will grow up like hell more than is doing right now Wink
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Interesting discuss with Vitalik in the comments here, other, especially those with a technical background may want to weigh in:
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/cryptocurrency-burst-makes-smart-contracts-reality-happened-ethereum/

And fyi, happy to post for anyone who wants to post anonymously...  just send me a PM with your post.
I tried to read it, but I got lost in the quotations and who said what... what is the summary of comments about BURST?


Supporters of other coins saying what they WILL have VS what BURST CURRENTLY HAS, and their blowing hot air.

They're upset that BURST has beaten them without the 15 million budget.

There are also people saying that Hard drives are not as power efficient as ASICs when mining... which blows my mind that anyone would say that. I run ASICs and hard drives, and I can tell you with 100% certainty that ASICs take a SHITLOAD more power to produce the same amount of coins.

nothing more to say, i agree with you 100% man, if people dont want to see it then people are just blind.

i start to ask to myself when people with start to notice it, that day burst will grow up like hell more than is doing right now Wink

Am with you on that. When I was running my  asics I was eating into $12 or more a day on energy. Right now am not even using $2  a day with  1 PC running 24 hours a day maybe $2 to $3 at most when I am gaming and then some but to be honest so far pulled in almost 0.5BTC in a few months of mining with next to no difference in energy use.

http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/energy-cost-calculator.htm




Even running 20 HDD is on system as an example would only use about 520w per day = $1.4976 based on 12cent kWh/day So for someone to say its more expensive to run multipul hdds compaird to asics is BS

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January 29, 2015, 01:36:07 AM
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Hey everyone, I'm using Uray's Burst miner for Windows and I need some help forcing the miner to use my Wifi connection's IP instead of using my Ethernet. Does anybody know what type modification does the .Conf file would require to make program connect to internet through my Wifi card and not through wired Ethernet? Reason for that is that I'm using a VPN with my Ethernet and I want the miner not having to go through the VPN, instead I want it to use my Wifi connection. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Smiley

This seems to be Windows issue, but I'm curious that how to you surf net with Wifi connection while your Ethernet connection still on? As long as you have Ethernet connection on, Windows will use Ethernet instead of Wifi.

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January 29, 2015, 01:39:17 AM
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Hey everyone, I'm using Uray's Burst miner for Windows and I need some help forcing the miner to use my Wifi connection's IP instead of using my Ethernet. Does anybody know what type modification does the .Conf file would require to make program connect to internet through my Wifi card and not through wired Ethernet? Reason for that is that I'm using a VPN with my Ethernet and I want the miner not having to go through the VPN, instead I want it to use my Wifi connection. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Smiley

This seems to be Windows issue, but I'm curious that how to you surf net with Wifi connection while your Ethernet connection still on? As long as you have Ethernet connection on, Windows will use Ethernet instead of Wifi.

I use ForceBindIP for most of my programs and I force them to use my Wifi instead of my Ethernet card, and works perfectly.

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January 29, 2015, 01:48:54 AM
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I'm not concerned with the electricity comment. Vitalik is correct, marginal rate of return will equalize towards marginal revenue, however, this in it self isn't good or bad for burst, it's the same for all commodities in the world (including crypto currencies) etc... what it means is that if input costs are high (electricity) then presumably price should be higher to recoup those costs (obvious if you ask me). so one could state that btc should be more expensive than burst cause one of the cost components (electricity) is used in different proportions (more of it). it's a simplistic explanation and again, this particular comment, is not an indicator of anything concerning either way since all coins follow it (or should in the long run).

what I'm most interested in, are the other comments, particularly the issues or concerns, weaknesses etc... reading those, I had a hard time following what was a comment and who's response and what it was to a comment. this should be openly discussed and not dismissed, if it's just dismissed then folks can label burst a cult or something like that.  also, please don't misunderstand what I'm saying, this isn't a negative tone towards burst at all, on the contrary, I'm very much interested in seeing burst get discussed, vetted and understood so that it's adoption can speed up.  hope all this makes sense. thanks!!

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January 29, 2015, 02:27:40 AM
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what I'm most interested in, are the other comments, particularly the issues or concerns, weaknesses etc... reading those, I had a hard time following what was a comment and who's response and what it was to a comment. this should be openly discussed and not dismissed, if it's just dismissed then folks can label burst a cult or something like that.  also, please don't misunderstand what I'm saying, this isn't a negative tone towards burst at all, on the contrary, I'm very much interested in seeing burst get discussed, vetted and understood so that it's adoption can speed up.  hope all this makes sense. thanks!!

His first post is about "nothing at stake" which is a weakness for all non-PoW systems including PoS and burst's PoC. This has previous been acknowledged as applying to burst.

His second post is criticizing a feature of Nxt which is not in burst. I tend to agree with him that it's a bad idea, so I don't expect to be putting that in burst anyway.

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January 29, 2015, 02:50:22 AM
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If someone mentioned it already, point me to it. What you just did is PoW with variable time/space tradeoff as used in cryptanalysis and password crackers. In current PoC, the split ratio it permanently fixed, disfavouring PoW heavily. It's been actually discussed few years ago in #bitcoin as PoW alternative. For each bit of nonce storage shaved off, the readout can brute force it in a time-space tradeoff. Assuming we get 2^22 of 32bit nonces in a scoop number/1TB readout where we hash 2^22 times to get 2^22 candidate deadlines, we could store 2^22 31bit nonces, and hash 2^23 times during a readout... with 1Gh/s GPU you can get rid of 10 bits or so. Yes, it's a logarithmic relation, but profitable to PoW up to a point (1/3 split PoW/Poc). The problem is that one needs more and more faster PoW as PoC gets larger, potentially up to 50/50 split of the tradeoff (when using ASICs for the POW part).

Ironically, this solves your point 1, as POC2 is capped by PoW requirement introduced.

Bottomline, plotting will be very slow using groestl as it is. Forget about slowing it down even more with that PoW during plotting, the throughput is not up for it. Salsa kernel or even siphash (1GByte/s) could bring it to speeds of current plotting, with 6-8 zero bits plot-PoW (1GByte/s & 8 bit pow -> 4MByte/s). Ideally, this step can be avoided altogether, and just use large totalscoops instead, though it brings engineering difficulties to make memory usage during plotting sane.

I hadn't thought of that with the pow/poc tradeoff for saving space. I'll keep that in mind.

Most testing I've done has been using a target that 50% of nonces make it through, and I have been finding throughput to be a major issue. I'm not giving up on groestl yet, but I'll take a look at those if I can't get performance to an acceptable level. In the most recent version the sorting thread can't keep up with a 7970 hashing, so I expect there'll be a significant speedup by refactoring that.

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January 29, 2015, 08:28:35 AM
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Hey everyone, I'm using Uray's Burst miner for Windows and I need some help forcing the miner to use my Wifi connection's IP instead of using my Ethernet. Does anybody know what type modification does the .Conf file would require to make program connect to internet through my Wifi card and not through wired Ethernet? Reason for that is that I'm using a VPN with my Ethernet and I want the miner not having to go through the VPN, instead I want it to use my Wifi connection. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Smiley

This seems to be Windows issue, but I'm curious that how to you surf net with Wifi connection while your Ethernet connection still on? As long as you have Ethernet connection on, Windows will use Ethernet instead of Wifi.

I use ForceBindIP for most of my programs and I force them to use my Wifi instead of my Ethernet card, and works perfectly.

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Hey everyone, I'm using Uray's Burst miner for Windows and I need some help forcing the miner to use my Wifi connection's IP instead of using my Ethernet. Does anybody know what type modification does the .Conf file would require to make program connect to internet through my Wifi card and not through wired Ethernet? Reason for that is that I'm using a VPN with my Ethernet and I want the miner not having to go through the VPN, instead I want it to use my Wifi connection. Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Smiley

This seems to be Windows issue, but I'm curious that how to you surf net with Wifi connection while your Ethernet connection still on? As long as you have Ethernet connection on, Windows will use Ethernet instead of Wifi.

I use ForceBindIP for most of my programs and I force them to use my Wifi instead of my Ethernet card, and works perfectly.

why?

Because I have a corporate VPN with my Ethernet card, and don't want my employer to have full monitoring of my internet access.



Also the fact that the VPN does not allow internet access to Burst miner.

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January 29, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
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I seem to be having an issue with the lotteries, when I go to http://localhost:8125/atlotteries.html it gives me file missing error, but the file is clearly there. What is it that I'm not doing correctly Huh



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January 29, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
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I seem to be having an issue with the lotteries, when I go to http://localhost:8125/atlotteries.html it gives me file missing error, but the file is clearly there. What is it that I'm not doing correctly Huh

Is the .hrml located under html/ui ?? Also are you using localhost or 127.0.0.1 to browse the burst wallet? If you are using 127.0.0.1 you probably need to download the other version.

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January 29, 2015, 03:54:48 PM
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I seem to be having an issue with the lotteries, when I go to http://localhost:8125/atlotteries.html it gives me file missing error, but the file is clearly there. What is it that I'm not doing correctly Huh

Is the .hrml located under html/ui ?? Also are you using localhost or 127.0.0.1 to browse the burst wallet? If you are using 127.0.0.1 you probably need to download the other version.

lol. I'm an idiot. Thanks!


I had it in the wrong folder, must have overlooked that part.



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