[XMR] Monero Speculation

[aminorex]

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH).  In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless.  Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang.  I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto".  I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se.  It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace.  I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto.  The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

[TrueCryptonaire]

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH).  In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless.  Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang.  I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto".  I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se.  It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace.  I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto.  The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

Bytecoin - I do not know. Sounds just another coin, Monero is a fork from it?

Dash - A good coin, very professional community and a good business plan.

Zcash - Probably will take over Monero in terms of marketcap

Ripple - used by the banks, banks have money, has bright future.

ETH - No direct rival to Monero. Different type of an asset and thanks to amtitious and apparently hardworking Vitalik who enjoys apparently hotel living it will have bright future as well. One of the big regrets I did not invest in the crowdsale. Even a smallish investment worth now million usd. Unless bitcoin will not get a major pump any time soon and stay new highs, chances are ETH will become the largest crypto.

[starmman]

Bytecoin - I do not know. Sounds just another coin, Monero is a fork from it?

Bytecoin has an 80% premine (a lot of which hasn't been touched, and a lot given away at launch and lost) which is why the cap is so high - the amount in actual circulation is way less. It was sitting at 4 sat just a few months ago - there is a small amount of development in the coin but not much. I put the rise down to pure speculation, also the wallet has been down on polo for quite a while.

[obit33]

Dash - A good coin, very professional community and a good business plan.

that's just wrong... have you been on the dash-subreddit, or in their slack channel... they're just echo-chambers... Dash has almost no community except their paid for fanboyz

[rinus]

guys, i would like to sell some ETH and buy monero instead, but when i want to sent from parity to my poloniex account , my poloniex says its generating an adress but it does not give me an adress... it stays on " generating "

someone has the same problem? are there other ways to sell my ETH for monero ?

please help

[Globb0]

Dash - A good coin, very professional community and a good business plan.

that's just wrong... have you been on the dash-subreddit, or in their slack channel... they're just echo-chambers... Dash has almost no community except their paid for fanboyz

Maybe they can change the name again to hide the history more. Anyone knows bad bad

[TheFuzzStone]

Bytecoin - I do not know. Sounds just another coin, Monero is a fork from it?

Read this

Dash - A good coin, very professional community and a good business plan.

Read this

Zcash - Probably will take over Monero in terms of marketcap

Nice joke 

Ripple - used by the banks, banks have money, has bright future.

Ripple isn't a cryptocurrency

ETH

ETH Is for ICO 

[CryptoPH]

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH).  In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless.  Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang.  I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto".  I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se.  It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace.  I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto.  The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

I also prefer this move of XMR, testing my patience while strengthening my discipline of hodling and not to be greedy.

Technical analysis-wise, longer consolidation will also make this price range stronger. Buyers and sellers are in equilibrium, which is also waiting for a catalyst to go boom (or bust). IMHO, breaking-up of 0.22 area will be explosive. Just waiting for some real good news. 

[saddambitcoin]

guys, i would like to sell some ETH and buy monero instead, but when i want to sent from parity to my poloniex account , my poloniex says its generating an adress but it does not give me an adress... it stays on " generating "

someone has the same problem? are there other ways to sell my ETH for monero ?

please help

I haven't had that problem but I also have not deposited ETH on Poloniex. You can also buy Monero at Kraken, Bitfinex, Shapeshift, TuxExchange, Bittrex, and maybe some others.

[amaral1977]

guys, i would like to sell some ETH and buy monero instead, but when i want to sent from parity to my poloniex account , my poloniex says its generating an adress but it does not give me an adress... it stays on " generating "

someone has the same problem? are there other ways to sell my ETH for monero ?

please help

I haven't had that problem but I also have not deposited ETH on Poloniex. You can also buy Monero at Kraken, Bitfinex, Shapeshift, TuxExchange, Bittrex, and maybe some others.

What about Monero for fiat? Any good places to buy it? Without astronomic fees? I´ve been trying the Altcoins Marketplace without success for a few days. Some sites like anycoindirect have very high fees. So if you have any ideas, they would be mostly apreciated.

[infofront]

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH).  In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless.  Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang.  I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto".  I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se.  It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace.  I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto.  The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

There exists ZenCash, ZClassic, and Hush, which are all community created Zcash forks.
I've been particularly interested in Zen. It's basically Zcash with a DAO and masternodes. As a speculator, those things interest me.

[DaveyJones]

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH).  In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless.  Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang.  I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto".  I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se.  It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace.  I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto.  The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

There exists ZenCash, ZClassic, and Hush, which are all community created Zcash forks.
I've been particularly interested in Zen. It's basically Zcash with a DAO and masternodes. As a speculator, those things interest me.

Afaik he meant also without the trusted setup... its the same like Zcash for ANY of those forks

[nioc]

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH).  In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless.  Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang.  I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto".  I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se.  It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace.  I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto.  The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

There exists ZenCash, ZClassic, and Hush, which are all community created Zcash forks.
I've been particularly interested in Zen. It's basically Zcash with a DAO and masternodes. As a speculator, those things interest me.

Oh boy! Dao and masternodes!!
When monroe gonna be that?
Waiting for announcement....

[phishead]

My speculation is that xmr will continue its steady longer term appreciation trend, with much less significant volatility than other leading crypto (BTC, ETH).  In the long run, XMR will appreciate significantly more than BTC, as it's use cases are greater, and the current valuation is 50x lower.

Depending on your criteria, you might deem various issues as "leading crypto" but market cap per se is clearly meaningless.  Bytecoin, dash, zcash and ripple are prime examples of that meaninglessness, for distinct reasons with similar implications, i.e. in each case the cap far exceeds the float - liquidity stinks, and every "greater fool" that comes along is just burying themselves under a deeper and deeper creaking overhang.  I do not deem any of these four in particular to be in the class of "leading crypto".  I still hope for a fair community launch of a zksnark crypto (or the incorporation of zksnarks into xmr.)

ETH is definitely leading crypto, but can't be classed as a monetary asset per se.  It is also heading for a legal and social catastrophe at an ever accelerating pace.  I much prefer the tortoise-style victory to which Monero is iterating, steering far clear of the snake oil and Ponzi complexes that besmirch the very concept of crypto.  The political and governance risks of XMR seem clearly to be much less than those of either BTC or (most especially) ETH.

There exists ZenCash, ZClassic, and Hush, which are all community created Zcash forks.
I've been particularly interested in Zen. It's basically Zcash with a DAO and masternodes. As a speculator, those things interest me.

Oh boy! Dao and masternodes!!
When monroe gonna be that?
Waiting for announcement....

Ohhh shiiiii...

nioc just pre-announced the pre-announcement!  Quick everyone! Sell your house, family, and dog to buy more!

Wait a minute.. 

[TrueCryptonaire]

Dash - A good coin, very professional community and a good business plan.

that's just wrong... have you been on the dash-subreddit, or in their slack channel... they're just echo-chambers... Dash has almost no community except their paid for fanboyz

Dash has a community, and bear in mind, the sign of the community is not how many trolls are writing online.
When it comes to professionalism, Dash is in the level of Corporation when you compare it to Monero which is in the level of boiz playing in the garage and tuning their four-wheels. The fact that they have a marketing department on its own is a sign it is like a solid business.
The fact that they are able to pay for a marketing is exactly the sign of professionalism and that they take seriously the user-adaption.

Every troll in this thread (except me) is an echo-chamber - just look at the amount of circle jerking taking place here when I am absent. 

[TrueCryptonaire]

Dash - A good coin, very professional community and a good business plan.

Read this

tl;dr

What is the issue with premine/instamine etc?
You guys all the time are busy calling out those mines but what is the problem exactly with that? I do not get it despite I have tried to understand it for a couple of years..... Perhaps my IQ of over 100 is not capable to grasp the problem with it....?
AFAIK, Warren Buffet buys most of his investments secondary markets after the insta/premine of the stocks...?

[TheFuzzStone]

You guys all the time are busy calling out those mines but what is the problem exactly with that?

Nothing, all is ok 

[rangedriver]

Dash has a community, and bear in mind, the sign of the community is not how many trolls are writing online.

Dash has the community equivalence of a freeway service area. That is to say on the surface it has the look and feel of a small town, but when you actually take a look around, the majority of its 'citizens' are either there temporarily (speculators) or simply are employees paid to be there; to operate the gas pumps, to keep the tiny streets clean, the logos polished, and the coffee and donuts flowing with a smile. It has no actual genuine citizens.

Monero on the other hand has the population of a small city. It isn't a product or a corporation. People are not being paid to live here. Sure it can be a little bit dirty at times. But it is is a movement defined by the enthusiasm of it's underlying social fabric, the political protections of it's underlying technological fabric, and the potential opportunities afforded by its speculative fabric.

You can't compare a product to a movement. It would be like comparing McDonalds to the US Constitution.

[TheFuzzStone]

Dear Monero-community, I hope this won't be useful for anyone, but...

If you will have some problems with Bittrex and you will open some ticket for support, you can choose two ways:

1.  Waiting few weeks for a response;

2.  Go into Bittrex-slack. Founded some very good feedbacks that problems were resolved within half an hour.

[KeyJockey]

What is the issue with premine/instamine etc?

LOL.  Just LOL

I do not get it despite I have tried to understand it for a couple of years.....

Perhaps my IQ of over 100 of under 80 is not capable to grasp the problem with it....?

FTFY