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June 24, 2017, 09:27:39 AM
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When it comes to Litecoin I cannot agree. Over the short term yes Litecoin could do very well if Bitcoin seizes up even more due to the 1 MB blocksize limit; however from the long term fundamental point of view Litecoin has the same issue as Bitcoin. Think Bitcoin with a 4 MB blocksize limit. This only kicks the can down the road.


I agree with your analysis.  My position is planned to be short term.  I see this as a 2-3 month play.  I've already sold off enough to cover the original investment too.

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June 25, 2017, 11:26:34 AM
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Monero 4h: Break out ahead. 75 USD possible.

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/XMRUSDT/L0yBPPNV-Monero-4h-Break-out-ahead-75-USD-possible

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June 25, 2017, 11:30:46 AM
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Wow! Very beautiful colored felt-tip pens  Cheesy

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June 25, 2017, 01:24:24 PM
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I'm ready ! If BTC don't decide what to do next we can probably see 100$ until fall
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June 25, 2017, 04:48:01 PM
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Edit 2: I should point out that demurrage as in Freicoin http://freico.in/ could be used to generate a minimum block reward while maintaining  a fixed number of coins and that would work. Demurrage could work for side chains.

Demurrage sounds like something that should be Hf'd in BTC but I can't see anything launched with such as being viable for the forseeable future unless it's funded by a institution, certainly not by community investors. Even if it gets ICO it would just pull a Zcrap and plummet.


BTW can you sum up LTC's positional change with segwitt. I bought some when it was announced and took some profit but made the mistake of shorting it last week as I feel the same about it's long term. I guess it's being held up by the fact that whats his name has left coinbase to Dev full time.

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June 25, 2017, 06:29:20 PM
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June 25, 2017, 06:47:17 PM
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Have you seen this?  It appears that crooks are getting smarter.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/star-trek-themed-kirk-ransomware-brings-us-monero-and-a-spock-decryptor/
 
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June 25, 2017, 08:08:49 PM
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Apologies to the victims, but thats fucking awesome.
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June 25, 2017, 10:23:43 PM
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Edit 2: I should point out that demurrage as in Freicoin http://freico.in/ could be used to generate a minimum block reward while maintaining  a fixed number of coins and that would work. Demurrage could work for side chains.

Demurrage sounds like something that should be Hf'd in BTC but I can't see anything launched with such as being viable for the forseeable future unless it's funded by a institution, certainly not by community investors. Even if it gets ICO it would just pull a Zcrap and plummet.


BTW can you sum up LTC's positional change with segwitt. I bought some when it was announced and took some profit but made the mistake of shorting it last week as I feel the same about it's long term. I guess it's being held up by the fact that whats his name has left coinbase to Dev full time.

Demurrage at around 1% a year is something I have considered as a possibility for side chains in Monero. The idea is to generate a permanent block reward in the sidechain while keeping the total number of coins in the side chain below what was deposited into the side chain from the main chain.. This avoids the fundamental issue of how does one secure the side chain without having to rely on fees. If the side chain also has an adaptive blocksize  limit as is the case with the Monero main chain then this would lead to coin burning in the sidechain and indirectly in the main chain. By the way the adaptive blocksize in Monero already involves coin burning because of the permanent (tail ) emission. There of course has to be a compelling reason for someone to use the side chain over the main chain to justify the demurrage cost. One advantage of sidechains is that one can take risks on the sidechain that are not appropriate for the main chain.

Adding demurrage to Bitcoin is a complete non starter in my mind for the very same reason as increasing the 21,000,000 blocksize limit in Bitcoin by adding a Monero style permanent (tail) block reward would be. It is a major violation of the social covenant. Cost of development is not the issue here. It would be funded by donations if there was not such a violation of the social covenant.  In any event for the main chain a permanent block reward as in Monero or Dogecoin deals with the issue and is far less controversial although economically very similar to demurrage. As for an ICO to create a Dogecoin clone what is the point since we already have Dogecoin?

I have not followed Segwit in Litecoin. My thoughts on Segwit, is that it needs to be considered on its own technical merits rather than as a means of increasing the blocksize.

Edit: The permanent block reward in the sidechain is paid to the miners as an incentive to mine or merge mine the sidechain.

Concerned that blockchain bloat will lead to centralization? Storing less than 4 GB of data once required the budget of a superpower and a warehouse full of punched cards. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card
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June 26, 2017, 12:15:28 AM
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Apologies to the victims, but thats fucking awesome.
Yea, I mean as bad as it is, it's still pretty funny...

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June 26, 2017, 05:50:08 AM
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Apologies to the victims, but thats fucking awesome.
Yea, I mean as bad as it is, it's still pretty funny...
It's still a better coin PR than paying people to install your wallet like the dash scam organisation. That's pathetic but nothing else can be expected from a coin based on PR paid with instamine.
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June 26, 2017, 12:14:38 PM
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Too quiet here...
Seems like, it's time to add more and HODL?  Cool

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June 26, 2017, 03:05:07 PM
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Too quiet here...
Seems like, it's time to add more and HODL?  Cool


Hmm, "quiet" or not... when is it ever NOT time to add more and HODL?  Grin 

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June 26, 2017, 04:02:29 PM
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Too quiet here...
Seems like, it's time to add more and HODL?  Cool
Now is defiantly a time to hodl, especially with the sudden drop in price. I'm guessing that we'll see some decent boosts in price at some point.

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June 26, 2017, 04:36:58 PM
Last edit: June 26, 2017, 07:07:28 PM by CTTE
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I hope everyone is noticing that Monero is actually holding its USD value pretty well in comparison to most other coins. In fact it's almost ready to move up into the 9th spot as far as marketcap, about to pass BitShares!

https://coinmarketcap.com/all/views/all/
 
Edit: Well, I guess that didn't last forever.  Lips sealed
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June 26, 2017, 06:13:19 PM
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Over the short term yes Litecoin could do very well if Bitcoin seizes up even more due to the 1 MB blocksize limit; however from the long term fundamental point of view Litecoin has the same issue as Bitcoin. Think Bitcoin with a 4 MB blocksize limit. This only kicks the can down the road.

By failing to account for the effects of the Lightning-type payment channels which segwit enables, your scenario assumes (within circumstances which may be avoided) facts not yet in evidence.

With segwit LTC already quadrupled its effective block size once, so what makes you think they couldn't do it again if/when necessary?

PS  Bitcoin has not seized up for anyone paying market rates for priority processing.  I've been particularly pleased with the next-block confirmation and very low fee of withdrawals from Poloniex.  "Seizes up" is just your intentionally inaccurate, technically meaningless FUD phrase; it's merely a provocative, emotionally laden term falsely implying Bitcoin is not working within established functional parameters.

Thanks for getting me to look up the origin of the Bitcoin Paralysis trope; Gavin's May 26, 2015 article "Analysis Paralysis" fairly epitomizes its genesis.

Note the date of Gavin's post is May 2015, which was more than two years ago.

Now focus on the insinuation in Gavin's conclusion:

I don’t think we should adopt the Silicon Valley mantra of “move fast and break things.” But I do think we need to move– “stay still and watch things break” is just as bad.

Gavin's entire point was that the "Core Bitcoin project has been suffering from analysis paralysis over the block size issue for at least three years" and that it will break if we don't embrace his vision of a contentious hard fork.

But that prediction was wrong.  Very wrong.  Bitcoin in 2017 works better than it did in 2015.

As a fellow man of science, presumable subscribing to the philosophy of empiricism, how long are you willing to tolerate Gavin & Co's failed doomsday predictions before you reexamine and reevaluate their hitherto unvalidated models?

Of course absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but IMO you are falling for what Prof. Szabo calls Pascal's Scams.

http://Http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2012/07/pascals-scams.html explains why the Gavinsta "hardfork right meow or d000m!11!" scam and global warming, etc. are parasitic memes feeding on artifacts of human (ie not strictly logical) cognition.

The Chicken Littles have been wrong for 5 years about Bitcoin's sky falling absent a contentious hard fork.  That half decade of experience has provided reams of new evidence and information about Gavin/Hearn's "Bitcoin has failed" hypothesis.  Time to adjust your Bayesian inference accordingly.   Wink


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June 27, 2017, 02:22:41 PM
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Hi guys monero diff high but price going down and getting less coin mining? ?
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June 27, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
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Why Monero remains a more stable coin, all because of his slow growth throughout his life, unlike others who have an explosive nature.

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June 27, 2017, 03:46:49 PM
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Why Monero remains a more stable coin, all because of his slow growth throughout his life, unlike others who have an explosive nature.

I totally agree with the stable coin part, but Monero also experienced explosive price growth which is currently at 2000%+ that started last year.  Cool

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June 27, 2017, 09:11:49 PM
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Why Monero remains a more stable coin, all because of his slow growth throughout his life, unlike others who have an explosive nature.
+1  Grin

Monero just seems to be going on a slow (at least slow for a cryptocurrency) rise and doesn't seem to lose value during sudden dumps. I'm expecting this to continue, hodl.

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