[BitcoinMax.com] Closed

[ErebusBat]

Ohh and the Zeekler pyramid's assets were frozen today haha.

(Not implying this was a pyramid/ponzi)

What now?

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[Garr255]

Ohh and the Zeekler pyramid's assets were frozen today haha.

(Not implying this was a pyramid/ponzi)

What now?

http://www.thetimesnews.com/articles/scheme-58230-calls-sec.html

I've been telling lots of people it was going to end this way...

[drakahn]

The 5.1% just kicked in

Pretty sure pirate said he was paying old rates.

[Micon]

1)  payb.tc - this is an extremely serious matter at this point.  The first of many deadlines, dates, and "just wait" periods have expired.  I want to know the total BTC owed to your accounts.  I do not want to know any individual information, and debating me on your exact number of accounts is childish and arbitrary.  373, 367, 400 or 350 is about the same, and judging from the people looking to sell their accounts there were a handful of large holdings.  I feel we should know how much in total to better gauge the scale of what Pirate would have to be holding in order to make the orderly return of funds as promised.  This is very important information at this stage and can help manage the expectations of your clients.  Just a total BTC owed to BitcoinMax from Pirate is the number that I think many in this thread, pro or against, would like to know and the total number doesn't violate any client's privacy.

2)  If you are owed ~ 50k BTC from Pirateat40 then it can be theorized that BurtW has a similar sized operation with the pass-through bonds.  I recently heard today of other large individual investors that did business directly with Pirate.  This is adding up to a large amount, and knowing exact figures would put more into perspective what was already paid out in interest and what is currently owed back as principle. 

3)  Best guess Pirate Debt right now is ~ $2.4M USD - this is only a guess of course, I know numbers like 500k BTC / ~ $5M USD have been tossed around and that's certainly possible but I think Pirate likes to exaggerate a bit.  I further wouldn't be surprised if he owes ~ $800k USD and is claiming $5M - but the point here is that Pirate has the largest BTC debt ever owed - and by a very large margin.

[payb.tc]

1)  payb.tc - this is an extremely serious matter at this point.  The first of many deadlines, dates, and "just wait" periods have expired.  I want to know the total BTC owed to your accounts.  I do not want to know any individual information, and debating me on your exact number of accounts is childish and arbitrary.  373, 367, 400 or 350 is about the same, and judging from the people looking to sell their accounts there were a handful of large holdings.  I feel we should know how much in total to better gauge the scale of what Pirate would have to be holding in order to make the orderly return of funds as promised.  This is very important information at this stage and can help manage the expectations of your clients.  Just a total BTC owed to BitcoinMax from Pirate is the number that I think many in this thread, pro or against, would like to know and the total number doesn't violate any client's privacy.

2)  If you are owed ~ 50k BTC from Pirateat40 then it can be theorized that BurtW has a similar sized operation with the pass-through bonds.  I recently heard today of other large individual investors that did business directly with Pirate.  This is adding up to a large amount, and knowing exact figures would put more into perspective what was already paid out in interest and what is currently owed back as principle. 

3)  Best guess Pirate Debt right now is ~ $2.4M USD - this is only a guess of course, I know numbers like 500k BTC / ~ $5M USD have been tossed around and that's certainly possible but I think Pirate likes to exaggerate a bit.  I further wouldn't be surprised if he owes ~ $800k USD and is claiming $5M - but the point here is that Pirate has the largest BTC debt ever owed - and by a very large margin.

if 373, 367, 400 and 350 are all the same to you then to you micon i say i am owed 150,000 bitcoins, no wait, make that 141,000 bitcoins, err actually i'm owed 194,403 btc... all the same right?

keep guessing, i don't owe you anything. not coins, nor facts.

[ErebusBat]

What has expired exacctly?

[Micon]

1)  payb.tc - this is an extremely serious matter at this point.  The first of many deadlines, dates, and "just wait" periods have expired.  I want to know the total BTC owed to your accounts.  I do not want to know any individual information, and debating me on your exact number of accounts is childish and arbitrary.  373, 367, 400 or 350 is about the same, and judging from the people looking to sell their accounts there were a handful of large holdings.  I feel we should know how much in total to better gauge the scale of what Pirate would have to be holding in order to make the orderly return of funds as promised.  This is very important information at this stage and can help manage the expectations of your clients.  Just a total BTC owed to BitcoinMax from Pirate is the number that I think many in this thread, pro or against, would like to know and the total number doesn't violate any client's privacy.

2)  If you are owed ~ 50k BTC from Pirateat40 then it can be theorized that BurtW has a similar sized operation with the pass-through bonds.  I recently heard today of other large individual investors that did business directly with Pirate.  This is adding up to a large amount, and knowing exact figures would put more into perspective what was already paid out in interest and what is currently owed back as principle. 

3)  Best guess Pirate Debt right now is ~ $2.4M USD - this is only a guess of course, I know numbers like 500k BTC / ~ $5M USD have been tossed around and that's certainly possible but I think Pirate likes to exaggerate a bit.  I further wouldn't be surprised if he owes ~ $800k USD and is claiming $5M - but the point here is that Pirate has the largest BTC debt ever owed - and by a very large margin.

if 373, 367, 400 and 350 are all the same to you then to you micon i say i am owed 150,000 bitcoins, no wait, make that 141,000 bitcoins, err actually i'm owed 194,403 btc... all the same right?

keep guessing, i don't owe you anything. not coins, nor facts.

Fair enough.  I just want to know the total amount of BTC Pirate owes your operation.  It seems extremely relevant to both sides at this time.

[payb.tc]

The 5.1% just kicked in

Pretty sure pirate said he was paying old rates.

yeah i programmed the 5.1 and 4.9 in a while back when i first mentioned them.

once i confirm that pirate is still paying the old rates, i'll adjust those back up to 6.9.

[Electricbees]

12k in older deposits...
(whinewhinewhine)

(Random comment about how pirate is OBVIOUSLY scamming us all)

FUD FUD FUD

*Analytic Garbage
**More analytic garbage...

[smoothie]

1)  payb.tc - this is an extremely serious matter at this point.  The first of many deadlines, dates, and "just wait" periods have expired.  I want to know the total BTC owed to your accounts.  I do not want to know any individual information, and debating me on your exact number of accounts is childish and arbitrary.  373, 367, 400 or 350 is about the same, and judging from the people looking to sell their accounts there were a handful of large holdings.  I feel we should know how much in total to better gauge the scale of what Pirate would have to be holding in order to make the orderly return of funds as promised.  This is very important information at this stage and can help manage the expectations of your clients.  Just a total BTC owed to BitcoinMax from Pirate is the number that I think many in this thread, pro or against, would like to know and the total number doesn't violate any client's privacy.

2)  If you are owed ~ 50k BTC from Pirateat40 then it can be theorized that BurtW has a similar sized operation with the pass-through bonds.  I recently heard today of other large individual investors that did business directly with Pirate.  This is adding up to a large amount, and knowing exact figures would put more into perspective what was already paid out in interest and what is currently owed back as principle. 

3)  Best guess Pirate Debt right now is ~ $2.4M USD - this is only a guess of course, I know numbers like 500k BTC / ~ $5M USD have been tossed around and that's certainly possible but I think Pirate likes to exaggerate a bit.  I further wouldn't be surprised if he owes ~ $800k USD and is claiming $5M - but the point here is that Pirate has the largest BTC debt ever owed - and by a very large margin.

if 373, 367, 400 and 350 are all the same to you then to you micon i say i am owed 150,000 bitcoins, no wait, make that 141,000 bitcoins, err actually i'm owed 194,403 btc... all the same right?

keep guessing, i don't owe you anything. not coins, nor facts.

What is there to hide if everything was legit? He isn't asking for personal information but general information about your operation. I think that's fair.

[drakahn]

The 5.1% just kicked in

Pretty sure pirate said he was paying old rates.

yeah i programmed the 5.1 and 4.9 in a while back when i first mentioned them.

once i confirm that pirate is still paying the old rates, i'll adjust those back up to 6.9.

I was going on
[2012-08-17 16:24:27] <pirateat40> Im going to keep the old rates until everyone is paid back
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101339.0

[ErebusBat]

Micon. Why does it matter if you are so sure he won't pay?

[miscreanity]

What is there to hide if everything was legit? He isn't asking for personal information but general information about your operation. I think that's fair.

This is the quintessential statist argument. Will you support Micon if he next demands that he should run all private operations because he "knows best"?

Don't fall into that trap.

[smoothie]

What is there to hide if everything was legit? He isn't asking for personal information but general information about your operation. I think that's fair.

This is the quintessential statist argument. Will you support Micon if he next demands that he should run all private operations because he "knows best"?

Don't fall into that trap.

What does him asking for information have to do with running all private operations?

Its just a question...lo

[Ilikeham]

It's really none of his business, now or after, the outcome is irrelevant.

If I want the socialists to come save me from myself I'll call them, don't call me.

[smoothie]

It's really none of his business, now or after, the outcome is irrelevant.

If I want the socialists to come save me from myself I'll call them, don't call me.

Pirate had no problem telling everyone btcst is 500k. So whats the problem telling what bitcoinmax has?

[Bascule]

It's really none of his business, now or after, the outcome is irrelevant.

If I want the socialists to come save me from myself I'll call them, don't call me.

Pirate had no problem telling everyone btcst is 500k. So whats the problem telling what bitcoinmax has?

payb.tc can't give you that number without admitting to himself how stupid he's been.

[payb.tc]

Q. does everyone think 100% of my BST account belongs to 'bitcoinmax' and has had no other (private) cashflow whatsoever?

[smoothie]

Q. does everyone think 100% of my BST account belongs to 'bitcoinmax' and has had no other (private) cashflow whatsoever?

You always answer a question with a question?

[payb.tc]

You always answer a question with a question?

yes