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1101  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 01:52:32 PM
Copyright law already covers this. NFTs are not only unnecessary, but not recognized by law. They bring nothing necessary that is missing to the table. And introduce new problems that don't exist.

Another solution looking for a problem that either doesn't exist, or is not really a problem.

(I'm gonna go out on a limb and just say it: young people are naive and stupid for believing in this NFT shitscam.)


I think NFTs could ease and lubricate the trade of original limited edition art - but only for the traders: people who invest in art for its transfer of value over time. The enjoyment of said art is totally out of the equation here, which sounds a little weird when speaking about art. Besides, the applicability of these tokens to mass market production such as digital music or desktop pictures seems dubious at least.

More useful if it comes to adoption for other physical/semi-physical assets: stocks and gold are prime examples, as I said. Wherever re-hypothecation can be a problem. The tech should be much more refined to allow the tracking of each "item" (be it a single stock ar a specific ingot) singularly and in batches in a mathematically clever way.

Interesting times ahead, gentlemen.
1102  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 01:43:25 PM
you: What year is it?
mad scientist that woke you up: oh, it's about a few thousand years since you died, does the year matter? gimme my 1 bitcoin, it's worth $100 billion today. Enough for me to buy a week's worth of bread. After you, I have a bunch of dead bitcoiners to wake up too, you're the 200th one, don't worry.

You: What a bleak future. No more than 21 million weeks' worth of bread on the planet! How many humans left?
1103  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 04:01:10 AM
False confirm.

Must avoid false confirmation:



How caring, to check how women dress (not men, oh dear, of course) before they do something they might regret. The poor young ladies risk a personal punitive lightning thunder or something even worse, such as the confirmation getting unconfirmed.
1104  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 18, 2021, 02:48:43 AM
And get this:  NFTs are not in competition with Bitcoin!  Bitcoin is a currency; it is supposed to be fungible, and I defend Bitcoin’s fungibility.  Non-Fungible Tokens are, of course, not fungible.  They are not supposed to be a currency.  Why are some Bitcoiners getting bent out of shape about this?  Just because NFTs run on generalized smart-contract chains,0 which Bitcoin is not?

Assuming a 100% fungible bitcoin (which is still not the case - which I must concur is unfortunate enough), it is simple enough to add a level of non-fungibility, and as Elwar has pointed out several times, it has been done with colored coins. However, they came at a time when bitcoin still had to "prove" itself - so to say - to the normies, so the focus was elsewhere.

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NFTs apply cryptography for a new use case.  A very useful use case.1  They have created a new asset class that improves on the properties of similar, older asset classes, just as Bitcoin created a new kind of money that improves on the properties of older monies.

Indeed. I can see a possible bright future for NFTs - including colored bitcoins, which I won't even mention from now on - they perfectly match the definition, so are included in the discussion; indeed, they've been the first of all NFTs. These tokens can be used to create unforgeable, easy to verify titles of ownership. These titles would not be restricted to digital items. On the contrary, I see the digital use case as more remote and less interesting for the time being.

Personally, here are a few use cases I would love to see implemented.

- Stock certificates. Once, certificates were ubiquitous, and you didn't "own" a stock until you had the paper in your hands. Now you can't really "own" a stock. It's just an entry in a ledger, and the broker/custodian is the only entity that can actually do some things with the stock, such as lending it to a margin shorter. If stock certificates were digitized by NFTs, naked shorters would have a hard time, as auditing would be quick and easy. With NFTs based on a permissionless blockchain, an additional property of auditing would be: available for anyone to see.

- Gold. The problem here would be matching ingot and NFT at the source, of course. But the total amount of NFT (and therefore, of ingot) would be much easier to... again, audit. Bye bye, paper gold.

Of course, real estate etc. could also benefit from something similar, although re-hypothecation of RE is much less of a problem in practice.

I agree that the following points are moot, and mostly come from lack of understanding.

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  • “It’s a Ponzi.” ✔
  • “The scarcity is artificial.  Anyone can make perfect copies of it.” ✔
  • “Drug dealers will use it to launder money.” ✔
  • “Those fools will be burned when it is shut down by regulators (SEC, et al.).”2

With one exception: “The scarcity is artificial.  Anyone can make perfect copies of it.”

The scarcity of ownership is artificial, but it's as real as physical scarcity. There can only be one owner. So this point is moot/baseless too, BUT my objection pertains to those goods where ownership is not needed to be able to enjoy the good. As in, picture files, digital music or similar items. The issue here is enforcing DRM based on NFTs. This could be a thing, right, but then apart from the technical details, the creator, too, should be prevented from making additional copies ("reprints") of the creation. So you release, say, a tune as a NFT, and as a consequence no radio can legally broadcast it? Or can they? You sure shouldn't be allowed to release more "declassified" copies, or you are "inflating" the supply. Or I can use the song even if I don't "own" my copy's NFT? So you decide once and for all how many copies you are releasing? Shaky technical terrain. Shakier legal terrain. IANAL. Some legislation will be needed. No, not the SEC, that's right.
1105  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2021, 06:21:01 PM
Right vroom, I forgot the "going to zero" part. Silly me.
1106  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 17, 2021, 06:13:25 PM
Stimmy hitting the exchanges, or is it just wishful thinking?
1107  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 16, 2021, 11:38:40 PM
Looked? I'm sure he must be blind too.
1108  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 16, 2021, 12:11:36 AM
What's the value of Pi?

Mathematician - 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286 208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481
Physicist - 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716
Engineer - about 3 something


Engineers use a minimum of 3 significant digits as a rule.

Dude, you just ruined a mathematician's joke  Cheesy

I smell an engineer  Wink
1109  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 15, 2021, 05:03:36 AM
How do you determine that the Bitcoin price is not overvalued?

The board periodically discloses the assets in btc coffer (Usd, Eur, UK Pound, Yen). The CEO signs the document, so it becomes official. At this point, anyone can check the value of btc against its coffer - although it's not a simple calculation: it requires lots of math and science.

1110  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 14, 2021, 10:35:05 PM
Have you ever heard of food, lodging, hookers, lambos and blow?

+1 WOsMerit
1111  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 14, 2021, 07:02:13 PM
I like Saylor's talk about borrowing against your bitcoins so you never have to sell. I'm going to work on that over the next couple of years to be ready for any big purchase I may want in the future. Unfortunately I'll be paying the capital gains for this year's sale. I really hate paying taxes, I've been able to avoid it by only selling under the zero tax rate per year but I think borrowing will be a good way to do it from now on.

Please let me know if you figure out a good, cheap, and quite safe way of going about this..

+1 from the other Eddie.

We need to figure out ways to use our present or forthcoming wealth. Being rich doesn't come easy, and it staying rich isn't a piece of cake, either.

Biodom listed some resources a few pages back.

-multisnips-
Biodom, it's not the first time you use the word 'bearish' to define JJG's ladder system. Why would you characterize it so?

I just do not want to criticize too much, to each their own.

you would be able to borrow against btc stack, which M. Saylor keeps bringing up, but not many on WO are listening. Such loans are typically used by high net worth individuals (HNWI) against VTI, VOO, SPY, and other whole or broad market ETFs.


Thank you. You got me thinking, especially about the loan thingy. I'd be glad to know more about that. Any pointers will be welcome.

Fidelity:
https://www.investopedia.com/fidelity-will-accept-bitcoin-collateral-for-cash-loans-5091879
Basic rate is high, 4.5%, but i am sure this will go down.
I would be shocked if Coinbase would not do the same soon after the IPO.
Personally, i would never go above 20% LTV, maybe just 10% (in case of our typical 80% drawdown).
The advantage-NO cap gains tax. In fact, maybe deductible interest (or not, hard to say)

Borrowing Against securities (better rates right now):
https://www.schwab.com/pledged-asset-line
Libor is 0.11%, so the best rate is 1.86%.
Say, you've got, hypothetically, $10 mil of VOO.
You borrow $ 3mil. Your interest (to pay) is 3000000X0.0186=$55800 yearly
However, $10mil in VOO generates $152000 yearly in dividends. End result-you borrowed $3 mil to do whatever, it effectively cost you nothing (well, a decreased divvy).
Yes, you would have to pay the principal at some point, but you can use divvy remainder to do that plus VOO goes up roughly 10% a year, so the loan basically pays for itself (if stock market performs).
That's why rich can have a cake and eat it too, lol

More:
https://www.wellsfargoadvisors.com/why-wells-fargo/products-services/lending/securities-based.htm
Yes, best rates are for those with lots of assets.

Ret accounts are NOT eligible, though.

Mind you, I have done nothing of the sorts so far, but I am studying the question (after Saylor's remarks).

Yes Elwar, I duly noted your previous post - and appreciated it silently while bookmarking it for future study. I'm always on the lookout for alternatives though, because not all systems are equally accessible depending on individual cases.

Thanks for your informative reply!  Smiley
1112  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 14, 2021, 06:38:16 PM
I like Saylor's talk about borrowing against your bitcoins so you never have to sell. I'm going to work on that over the next couple of years to be ready for any big purchase I may want in the future. Unfortunately I'll be paying the capital gains for this year's sale. I really hate paying taxes, I've been able to avoid it by only selling under the zero tax rate per year but I think borrowing will be a good way to do it from now on.

Please let me know if you figure out a good, cheap, and quite safe way of going about this..

+1 from the other Eddie.

We need to figure out ways to use our present or forthcoming wealth. Being rich doesn't come easy, and staying rich isn't a piece of cake, either.
1113  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 14, 2021, 06:31:15 PM

Done Wink
1114  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 14, 2021, 03:47:26 PM
Fucking the shorters
Hard work, she's tired, till Wednesday...
...stim! Figure the rest.



#haiku
1115  Economy / Speculation / Re: [WO] nullius offers to sell his bitcoins! on: March 14, 2021, 02:01:46 PM
Sold a tiny piece just to say I sold some over 60k Grin

acquired a tiny piece just to say I bought some over $61k Cheesy

Am I the only one after Microstrategy? Did I disrupt the price?

0.005219 @ $61307.90

I am bookmarking this post.

In the future, there will be a market correction.  Bitcoin will crash hard, all the way down to $100k.  The media will scream that Bitcoin is dead.  The mindrusts will be shaken out.  Then, Bitcoin will continue up to $1m.

Amidst the fracas, n00bs will quote you with their wishes that they had a time machine to buy dirt-cheap at only $61k.



Open offer to readers of the Wall Observer:  I hereby offer to sell my BitcoinAll of it.

The price that I offer is 1000 sats per USDT.

This offer is time-limited and non-negotiable.  Escrow will be required, unless the buyer is theymos or a well-known Core developer or [well, there is no replacement for Lauda].  Serious inquiries only!  PM or e-mail me.  Preferably, use PGP.

Of course, it would be stupid to take this offer while you can still get >1600 sats at market.  And of course, I would immediately swap the Tethers back to Bitcoin!  (And then offer you the Bitcoin—until either you run out of Tethers, or this perpetual motion arbitrage feedback loop moves the whole market.)

I make this offer by way of demonstrating a point:  Someday, people will want a time machine so that they can take me up on this.  Nonetheless, the offer is serious:  I always keep my word!

The number will go down.  I think that I will soon revise it to 833 sats per USDT, or maybe 750 sats per USDT, so act fast!

Your new hobby is writing OTM calls with  whimsically variable strike date/price, but no premium?
1116  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 14, 2021, 04:00:06 AM
-multisnips-
Biodom, it's not the first time you use the word 'bearish' to define JJG's ladder system. Why would you characterize it so?

I just do not want to criticize too much, to each their own.

you would be able to borrow against btc stack, which M. Saylor keeps bringing up, but not many on WO are listening. Such loans are typically used by high net worth individuals (HNWI) against VTI, VOO, SPY, and other whole or broad market ETFs.


Thank you. You got me thinking, especially about the loan thingy. I'd be glad to know more about that. Any pointers will be welcome.
1117  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 14, 2021, 01:03:36 AM
Gurl, YOU are the one who is bearish-always selling when btc goes up and accumulating useless fiat,

That's bearish? 

Biodom, it's not the first time you use the word 'bearish' to define JJG's ladder system. Why would you characterize it so? It seems to me that such a system only works if the underlying asset goes up. It could even be argued that mere use of this ladder implies fundamentally bullish beliefs (number go up). Otherwise, there would be no need for "suicidal buys" on the way down to zero.

Care to explain?

while I mentioned that i would not sell bitcoin (probably ever).

I think I see what you mean here. There are other, possibly more sophisticated ways to put the corn to work - for example, arbitrages or option plays - which however often imply ultimate movements that are essentially sales, or very akin to sales - but I digress. How, if even, does this imply that the more intuitive system is "less bullish" or even "bearish"?
1118  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 13, 2021, 10:30:05 PM
choppa update now with an enhanced version, flipped and transparent Smiley thanks fillippone and shahzadafzal



Oh YEAH!! Copter going UP! I've been hoping for such a redesign for a long time.

+1 WOsMerit!
1119  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 13, 2021, 10:25:59 PM
I quite appreciated the four bumply girls. None of which holds a candle to my wife... she's amazing, in that regard.. Wink

That's how we know your wife reads the WO too.  Lips sealed
1120  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 13, 2021, 03:12:38 PM
Smell any tuna, serveria?
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