Hey Arriemoller,
Got Fire, Water, Heaven and Earth and Archaeology in the East and the West coming from Amazon. Please do mention it if you notice that The spring at the bottom of the well of time has been released in translation.
I only ever learned nynorsk, and that is really rusty, thanks.
Will do. I was about to jump a number of pages, good thing I didn't or i would have missed your post. He is an academic so his books can be a bit cautious in its conclusions, but they are interesting never the less. |
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Thank you very much. I'm currently reading a book by a Swedish archaeologist who is comparing bronze age Swedish religion with vedic and other indo european religions. He's especially looking into old Nordic sites with remnants of burnt stones and other sites that would suggest fire offerings and comparing them to Vedic/Hindu fire altars. He's working from the theory that the religions were pretty close at that time, ca 1500 bc. One of the most famous bronze age artifacts from that time is the sun wagon from Denmark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trundholm_sun_chariot It is obviously the old nordic equivalent of suraya, so I am kind of looking for something similar in Vedic/Hindu tradition. Your welcome bhai. this one looks interesting, please drop that archaeologist's name. will look into his-her work as well. and sun was considered very sacred almost in every ancient religion so not very surprising if there are some major or small similarities between different ancient religions. I think there is consensus among scholars nowadays that the indeuropean religions have a common origin in the religion of the jamna/yamna culture that populated euroasia some 3500-2500 years ago. The authors name is Anders Kaliff, the books name is "Källan på botten av tidens brunn" (The spring at the bottom of the well of time, with the under title "indoeuropean roots to proto Norse religion"). I don,t think it's available in English, but some of his other books and papers are. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Books-Anders-Kaliff/s?rh=n%3A266239%2Cp_27%3AAnders+Kaliff |
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Oh FFS, I was kidding!
Apologies, brother. Did not read the sarcasm. I am a bit troubled with the world today, owing to the unfortunate events in Sri Lanka. Yeah, me too actually, I wish the muslims would just stop killing innocent people. If they keep this up it will end very badly for them. Wait, how are we so sure this is rightly directed towards the Muslim community? Although I'm not part of a religion, I find it somewhat offensive to see people blindly pointing fingers. I'd wager that Muslims didn't even have a hand in this. What could be achieved by a small group of 'terrorists' hurting the public like this? Do they think they'd somehow gain power or control from it, No, not even a small chance! Now ask the same question: What could be achieved by the 'government' or 'TPTB' sending fear into the public? Very simple, fear=submission Ii believe its all power and control tactics used by the state or a globalists agenda. Seems way to coincidental the past few weeks of religious connected events. NZ, Notre-Dame, and now Sri Lanka. Comon' Nobody slips on banannas. But, but the news said it was the muzlums. Dude I'm going to have to tell you about this group of terrorist, it's going to blow your mind and it's a lot more plausible. They're called ISIS, they're a bunch of fucks and are eating war on anyone that's not like them. BS, ISIS is a outfit trained and funded by USA and Israel. They are being used as the publics' bogeyman to garner justification for endless war. ISIS, Al-qaeda and the Taliban are all the same puppets. Further, these factions were created to fight each other and destabilize areas/governments. Hopefully you were just joking, is that leftists humour? Seriously some times this fucking rag tag group is just too fucking out there. Like I said in my earlier post I am more libertarian and I am pro Trump, I'll agree the US sucks at thinking through what happens after proxy wars but in no way do I think that ISIS is a continuously backed group by the US and Israel. I think you fell down a rabbit hole and need to hop out. First research how many Muslims ISIS killed in comparison to any other religion, and then talk about "Muslims" So what? Muslims killing muslims are still muslims. |
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Well it doesn’t look like anyone wants to advocate for children starving in the streets. If you follow that through to its logical conclusion you end up with a system not dissimilar to the current system.
On that basis I think that left and right are actually quite close in their approach although the rhetoric differs.
I guess Jbear and Arie and I can agree on stuff.
If you think having a function of some kind for taking care of children makes a socialist and a free society the same you are delusional. I really can't take care of you any more, I have to go to bed now. Try to find answers to your questions using DDG instead. You can start here. https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/key-concepts-libertarianism |
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Hope you guys had a nice easter!  Anyone find a bitcoin in an egg?  Same to you thanks, and no, didn't even find an egg |
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China is “socialism with Chinese characteristics” which translates to hyper-capitalism.
The USA is far more socialist than China.
Funny how socialists always claim that the socialist countries aren't really socialist. |
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Just so we are clear, the right wing utopia has people that starve in the streets?
hard to believe anyone would actually choose starvation over sweeping up the stockroom, I mean, come on. I believe that the community has a number of people who are able bodied and mentally ill, or just plain stubborn. I want to work on the edge cases, because the edge cases are where the rubber hits the road. You don't "work on the edge cases", you change the goalposts, first we agree that people who are not capable of working should be helped, then you include the very same category in your cohort of unwilling (people who are able bodied and mentally ill). And btw children that are endangered would be cared for by social services. We are talking about adults here. Another example of you moving the goalposts. Ok so the right wing utopia does have social services ? I want to know what happens to the kids because that is where the right wing approach always breaks down, and we end up with something that looks like what we currently have. No you don't, if that was the case you would have asked that to begin with. You are just out to provoke. No we went through a necessary process in order to establish that refuseniks starve in the streets. This is important context because it establishes the risk that children of refuseniks could also starve in the streets. Having lived in China, I have seen a 4 year old child sleeping in a garbage bag in the snow outside my office. I want to know if the right wingers aspire to the same result in Western countries. Or alternatively whether that is unacceptable and the talk about refuseniks starving in the streets is just bluster. You do know that China is a communist dictatorship don't you. That's your paradise, not ours. |
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Just so we are clear, the right wing utopia has people that starve in the streets?
hard to believe anyone would actually choose starvation over sweeping up the stockroom, I mean, come on. I believe that the community has a number of people who are able bodied and mentally ill, or just plain stubborn. I want to work on the edge cases, because the edge cases are where the rubber hits the road. You don't "work on the edge cases", you change the goalposts, first we agree that people who are not capable of working should be helped, then you include the very same category in your cohort of unwilling (people who are able bodied and mentally ill). And btw children that are endangered would be cared for by social services. We are talking about adults here. Another example of you moving the goalposts. Ok so the right wing utopia does have social services ? I want to know what happens to the kids because that is where the right wing approach always breaks down, and we end up with something that looks like what we currently have. No you don't, if that was the case you would have asked that to begin with. You are just out to provoke. |
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Just so we are clear, the right wing utopia has people that starve in the streets?
hard to believe anyone would actually choose starvation over sweeping up the stockroom, I mean, come on. I believe that the community has a number of people who are able bodied and mentally ill, or just plain stubborn. I want to work on the edge cases, because the edge cases are where the rubber hits the road. You don't "work on the edge cases", you change the goalposts, first we agree that people who are not capable of working should be helped, then you include the very same category in your cohort of unwilling (people who are able bodied and mentally ill). And btw children that are endangered would be cared for by social services. We are talking about adults here. Another example of you moving the goalposts. Ok so the right wing utopia does have social services ? I want to know what happens to the kids because that is where the right wing approach always breaks down, and we end up with something that looks like what we currently have. Are you deliberately making yourself look stupid? |
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Just so we are clear, the right wing utopia has people that starve in the streets?
hard to believe anyone would actually choose starvation over sweeping up the stockroom, I mean, come on. I believe that the community has a number of people who are able bodied and mentally ill, or just plain stubborn. I want to work on the edge cases, because the edge cases are where the rubber hits the road. You don't "work on the edge cases", you change the goalposts, first we agree that people who are not capable of working should be helped, then you include the very same category in your cohort of unwilling (people who are able bodied and mentally ill). And btw children that are endangered would be cared for by social services. We are talking about adults here. Another example of you moving the goalposts. |
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Let’s focus on the unwilling. Someone who point blank refuses to work. I am guessing that these people do not receive any form of social welfare.
Do these people starve in your world? Or maybe they are compelled to work?
That's right, they starve. Compelled to work? Because you know what's good for them? Who anointed you all Mr/Ms High-And-Mighty? You do you. They do themselves. I do me. See how easy that all is? Ok so forced labor camps are out. That’s good, I didn’t like the idea of them. Just so we are clear, the right wing utopia has people that starve in the streets? Yes, but only those who chose to starve. |
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A lot of original users came to Bitcoin due to like of no government control, that's something libertarians and right leaning people like.
Now with the left going full socialism and wanting to give away money from those who work to those who "are unable or UNWILLING TO WORK" in their new green deal and wanting huge tax rates I think most bitcoiners in the US are probably Trump supporters.
Let’s assume you are President and King and have total control over the laws of the land. What happens to those unable or unwilling to work? The unwilling can fuck right off. +1 smerit I don't understand how this could even be up for debate. When has society ever decided that being a lazy piece of shit is an acceptable behavior and is to be rewarded with a living income? Talk about a way to breed even more losers into society and bring it down moreso in total. Low end jobs would have no workers, the taxes on those who work would be raised to cover them, it would be a monumental source of damage to the economy and society. Guys - indulge me in working through this. Let’s focus on the unwilling. Someone who point blank refuses to work. I am guessing that these people do not receive any form of social welfare. Do these people starve in your world? Or maybe they are compelled to work? They do not get any welfare, how they get by is their own business, live on mom, beg, (but that is a kind of job), borrow, what ever. |
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Oh FFS, I was kidding!
Apologies, brother. Did not read the sarcasm. I am a bit troubled with the world today, owing to the unfortunate events in Sri Lanka. Yeah, me too actually, I wish the muslims would just stop killing innocent people. If they keep this up it will end very badly for them. |
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Well, since Suraya has been good to us here in the north for over a week now, and it looks like it's going to continue, Im going out to bask in her/his rays.
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Maybe we should start a militant atheist movement and kill all religious people in order to receive eternal peace?
Why ? I have no desire to proselytize or convert anyone to any sort of faith. In fact, genuinely discussing matters of faith is not something I am generally open or comfortable with. Having said that, seeing this sort of talk of militant atheism being somehow morally superior to any faith, is a fallacy, and troubling to me - owing to a certain lack of metacognition. An Atheistic Crusade. How quaint. Oh FFS, I was kidding! |
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JSRAW, I have been looking for figurines of Surya. What is the difference between Surya Dev, Surya graha and Surya Narayana Bhagwan?
All are same but defines different forms of surya. Surya =sun Surya dev : human form of sun or just sun ( usually Hindus pay respect to sun every day in the morning ) ignorant younger generation like me see this as a silly thing. Why pay respect to nature, huh... Surya graha: Graha =planet (it's related to horoscope) devotee wears sun necklace and some wear sun tattoos on body and we call those people Suryavanshi. Surya narayan bhagwan : this is big form of sun in human, consider very holy who worship sun. Guess you are looking for this figure. Watch out bro!! If you are diving in. Hinduism is very complex and very diverse Even Hindus scratch their head when we look at Hinduism which is "sanatana dharma" in real. Edit: will send pictures to you later or you can Google it. I am using phone right now. Thank you very much. I'm currently reading a book by a Swedish archaeologist who is comparing bronze age Swedish religion with vedic and other indo european religions. He's especially looking into old Nordic sites with remnants of burnt stones and other sites that would suggest fire offerings and comparing them to Vedic/Hindu fire altars. He's working from the theory that the religions were pretty close at that time, ca 1500 bc. One of the most famous bronze age artifacts from that time is the sun wagon from Denmark. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trundholm_sun_chariot It is obviously the old nordic equivalent of suraya, so I am kind of looking for something similar in Vedic/Hindu tradition. |
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JSRAW, I have been looking for figurines of Surya. What is the difference between Surya Dev, Surya graha and Surya Narayana Bhagwan?
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What I mean is that he is probably already on US where they can't touch him.
(Removed the other post anyways).
Deleted my quote posting as well, maybe JSRAW could be persuaded to do the same? |
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