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4201  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Who do you think will win the 2020 election? on: June 14, 2019, 10:54:15 AM
Short of some catastrophic economic collapse or WW3, there is no one who even has a chance of beating Donald Trump. Even if these things happen I still think he has a good shot.
4202  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why don't we set up capitalist and socialist communes to test which is better? on: June 14, 2019, 10:53:23 AM
Again, your first point goes back to the question of scale. Even if some small homogeneous communities can operate Communism effectively does not prove it can be scaled to an international level. Western countries are below replacement level birthrates from natives. The populations are increasing because of uncontrolled illegal immigration, which is essentially proving my point.
Amazing. This amount of stupidity or bad faith is incredible. So you're right if population increases when ressources are fairly distributed, and you're right if it doesn't. Easy to be right when you just don't give argument but a two way assertion right?
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All social sciences are the least scientific form of science because they are the least able to follow rigorous scientific method. This is not even a debate, it is well known even among social scientists. FFS, the man who was said to have invented Sociology as a science is the originator of the concept of the scientific hierarchy itself.
Are you that dumb? Don't you understand the difference between being less rigorous than maths and having irrelevant results because it's not scientific enough? You clearly said Sociology results shouldn't be taken into account because of how unscientific the method is. If you admit it IS scientific methodology then you must take its results into account then I agree with you and you'll have to answer to the last 40 years of sociology studies. I'm ok with that clearly.
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The premise you are presenting here is called a "false choice" logical fallacy. You proscribe two potential options, and exclude any other possibilities when many more options exist.
Nope it's a logical fallacy if you can provide a thrid option. Otherwise it's not a fallacy but a descprition of a reality. Provide a third explanation or take this accusation back.
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So far you haven't provided any of these studies for review anyway, so your point is moot. Again, the nature vs nurture debate is NO WHERE NEAR being concluded.
I won't provide any study before you admit sociology is a scientific methodology providing acceptable and reliable results otherwise there is no point in providing you with anything as you'll simply deny them.

Once you admit this I'll gladly give you a dozen of studies showing that your situation is far more linked to your living environment as a child thatn at your personal abilities.

Oh and by the way if you knew how to read (which I really start doubting) you would see that I NEVER talk about the Nature vs nurture debate which is an interesting opened debate. It is not my point, you simply use another logical fallacy to make me say shit and debunk it after. Yeah I agree Nature vs Nurture isn't settled. Never said it was. Not my point. Not what I said.

First of all what is "fair" is totally subjective, but for the sake of argument lets pretend "fair" is defined by your metric. If we just keep pumping resources into the 3rd world and they are not providing at least enough resources to maintain what they use, all that is happening is we are subsidizing overpopulation. The potential human population is infinite. Eventually there will not be enough resources for anyone, and by your metric this is "fair". The Western world balances out these factors, but this is being subverted by funneling in populations from the 3rd world who don't have these checks and balances, which is subverting this balance and making less resources available for all as a whole.

"You clearly said Sociology results shouldn't be taken into account because of how unscientific the method is." No, I didn't say this. I said Sociology is the lowest ranking of scientific rigor, and thus is more fallible than all the other sciences. So all of the history of Sociology (more than 40 years BTW) agrees with you? Interesting theory. Too bad you can't produce any of these studies for examination.

There are an infinite number of potential explanations, but lets just start with one. How about a combination of nature and nurture being the cause? Happy now? You were in fact using a false choice fallacy.

OH NOES! DON'T REFUSE TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR ARGUMENT! I don't know how I would cope if you don't bother supporting your own argument! Is this supposed to motivate me some how, you refusing to make your own points?


Duuuuuuuuuumb. The conclusion of the studies might be discussed but not the facts described. And the facts described are enough to prove that environment > genetics.

This is you making the argument of a conclusion in the nature vs nurture debate, you are just to ignorant to realize what your own arguments consist of. Speaking of reading, you can't even read and understand your own words.
4203  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitalism vs. Socialism - Make your argument here. on: June 14, 2019, 10:37:06 AM
a Republic is not mob rule.

That's the definition of a republic:
"a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch."

That's not a mob rule? Supreme power held by the people and their elected representatives is not mob rule for you?

Can you define "mob rule" then please? Because clearly the "supreme power is held by the people" should be rather close to my definition of "mob rule".

You keep saying Communism has changed, but you can't define anything about it that is different.
Because you never asked.

Main differences of Communism and Neo-Communism:
-Power is directly hold by the population, there is no strong government, only strong people
-Private property is no longer abolished as it has not reason to be
-No national monopoly but every vital sector (health, transport, energy...) must always have a governmental company providing the service. It can have private competition though
-No shares and trade shares. Any investment in a company is impossible to sell.
-No company can close without the State autorization, which has the right to nationalize it
-At least half of each company is possessed by the workers.

See how it's different? How it has evolved? How it has NOTHING to see with what Marx imagined? Because Marx was a genius but never could have foreseen internet, which allows so much more local management.

You conveniently left out several requisites for the definition of a republic to include only the part you believe makes your argument. That is like saying Usain Bolt isn't a world class runner because you only describe everything above his waist, and use his lack of legs as an argument. More specifically a Constitutional Republic is not mob rule.

Why do I need to ask? You are the one making the argument, either make it and substantiate it or don't. lets go over your supposed changes point by point.

1- "Power is directly hold by the population, there is no strong government, only strong people"

This has been claimed before and failed. Furthermore the government consists of people, they are on in the same.


2- "Private property is no longer abolished as it has not reason to be"

Yet the abolition of private property is one of the core tenets of Communism. Thank you for supporting my argument private property should not be abolished.



3- "No national monopoly but every vital sector (health, transport, energy...) must always have a governmental company providing the service. It can have private competition though"

You are simultaneously describing 3 exclusive concepts. How do you even manage to wipe your ass with that kind of lack of logic?



4- "No shares and trade shares. Any investment in a company is impossible to sell"

Oh, so no investment huh? Well that will go over well. I am sure that won't have any negative consequences like, not allowing peopel to afford to buy homes or cars, or other basic necessities or anything.


5- "No company can close without the State autorization, which has the right to nationalize it"

That sure sounds a lot like fascism, as do some of your other points. So you are going to compel people to work for a company by force of law when they don't want to? That sounds a lot like slavery.


6- "At least half of each company is possessed by the workers"

Why would anyone invest in a crating a company (oh right I forgot investments are banned) if they immediately will have half of their investment taken from them? Also, tell me, how do the workers own half of a company if there are no shares? Your total lack of logic is astounding.


Your ideas are nothing but pure fantasy that collapse under even the most superficial examination.
4204  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitalism vs. Socialism - Make your argument here. on: June 14, 2019, 09:50:45 AM
"Direct Democracy" is just a rebranding of a pure Democracy, which is just a more palatable way of saying mob rule. Under mob rule individuals and minority groups have no rights, because the mob can always just vote their rights away. Democracy is by no means infallible, in fact it makes the populations much more easily controlled because getting people to operate as collective unthinking herds is a lot easier than gaming a Republic for example with protected individual rights and rule of law. You just declaring that it can be done is nothing more than your imagination. Your fantasies do not count as substantiation for your arguments. ALL RIGHTS are property rights. Without property rights you have no rights of ANY KIND.
That's incredible. How can you be so blind?

Ok so we're going to try to use your brain a bit. What kind of social organization is NOT a mob rule?
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Oh, I see, the world is different now, so Communism will work this time, promise! You are just making a long form rephrasing of "it wasn't true Communism", IE the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. The world has changed, but Communism has not, and the basic elements that make Communism a failure have not changed in society either.
Yes it has, and a lot. You being so deep up your own ass doesn't change the fact that no one refers to Das Kapital as the Bible nowadays because people learned from past mistakes and have changed the idea of Communism. If you think it hasn't changed, you just show your ignorance.

Interesting retort. Call me blind and move on. Speaking of blind, you missed the part where I already answered your question, a Republic is not mob rule. You keep saying Communism has changed, but you can't define anything about it that is different. Every single argument you have made for Communism is one that has been used in past failed attempts.
4205  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why don't we set up capitalist and socialist communes to test which is better? on: June 14, 2019, 09:47:48 AM
What you mean to point to is irrelevant. The fact is even if the resources were more evenly distributed, you know what would happen? Human population would just continue to increase infinitely until there were not enough resources for anyone. You aren't solving anything, you are describing a fantasy.
Sure because that's exactly what's happenin in countries where ressources are distrubuted in a more human way. Clearly western countries see their population raising without control that's exactly what's happening  Roll Eyes
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I never said anyone deserves anything. Facts are facts regardless of what anyone deserves. Your so called studies are based in Sociology, which first of all is the least scientific of any school of science,
Hey doctor bullshit, long time no seen! So Sociology is not a science, well now that you said so I'm clearly convinced! You must be right and universities are really full of dumb people if they believe the contrary. Your argument is very logical and makes sens for sure.
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but this specific debate of nature vs nurture you are pointing to is an ancient and never-ending debate no where near being concluded.
Except for the FACT that social mobility is insanely low showing that either environment is more important than genetics or that poor people are sub humans. Your choice to believe what you want.
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Your so called studies regarding this mean nothing even if they were valid, because the premise itself (that it is proven one way or the other) is flawed.
Duuuuuuuuuumb. The conclusion of the studies might be discussed but not the facts described. And the facts described are enough to prove that environment > genetics.

Again, your first point goes back to the question of scale. Even if some small homogeneous communities can operate Communism effectively does not prove it can be scaled to an international level. Western countries are below replacement level birthrates from natives. The populations are increasing because of uncontrolled illegal immigration, which is essentially proving my point.

All social sciences are the least scientific form of science because they are the least able to follow rigorous scientific method. This is not even a debate, it is well known even among social scientists. FFS, the man who was said to have invented Sociology as a science is the originator of the concept of the scientific hierarchy itself.

The premise you are presenting here is called a "false choice" logical fallacy. You proscribe two potential options, and exclude any other possibilities when many more options exist.

So far you haven't provided any of these studies for review anyway, so your point is moot. Again, the nature vs nurture debate is NO WHERE NEAR being concluded.
4206  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller is a dangerous person to deal with - avoid on: June 14, 2019, 09:23:11 AM
So how long should we wait from someone scamming to them not being held liable for that any longer? Just so that I know what guidelines to use. Some old time scammers could be getting a 2nd round of fun here soon if we base it off of a certain amount of years Smiley.

If you want to call me putting one flag on one confirmed scammer "calling upon the impending doom" that's on you. I've never made any such claims Smiley.

No, I am saying you are claiming you must put the flag down or else there will be impending doom, as demonstrated in bold above.

So why is it then you aren't opening a flag against Vod? He has been responsible for all the same acts as listed above. I have proven he was lying about me using his own contradicting words to justify his abusive negative ratings. If lying is the metric then about half of this forum can go into a dumpster. Also who gets to decide what is a lie and not just a difference of opinion, or simply a mistaken conclusion? Lying necessitates intent, and you have no way to prove in this case what exists only in the mind of another.

First of all, we're not talking about Vod, we're talking about Quickseller, but since you brought it up, I would trust Vod 100 times before I trusted QS once.

Second of all, we're talking about inherent trustworthiness, which also has subjective metrics whose importance varies from individual to individual. I know you want to live in a world of black and white but the issue is more complex than that. QS is clearly motivated by personal grudges (as are you) so he fabricates malicious stories in order to get a kind of revenge on them.

You also didn't prove anything about QS - you rarely prove anything about anything - you just convince yourself that you do so that you can chalk another win in your imaginary "V" tally. Clearly not many other people around here see you as the infinite hot-streak victor that you see yourself as.

The purpose of this system is to protect people from fraud, not to put ointment on your inflamed butt holes.

You're a child and there's clearly no point in trying to reason with you. I'm putting you back on ignore.

We aren't talking about Vod, we are talking about standards. I don't care who you decide to trust. I do care how you use the system designed to warn people of fraud as a tool of retribution, especially as demonstrated by your selectively applied standards. I brought up Vod to prove the point you are willing to apply this standard to your opponents but not your pals. Inherent trustworthiness is subjective. The trust system is not supposed to be a trustworthiness ranking system, it is meant to be a system of indicating users likely to defraud others. Useful systems don't use subjective metrics. You can make subjective conclusions, but they shouldn't be used systematically because they are by their very nature unfit to be part of any objective system. I don't have to prove anything about Quickseller, the burden of proof is on the accuser. What grudges am I motivated by? Am I abusing the trust system to fight my grudges? What exactly do I win here? More stalking from halfwits like you? Am I supposed to be disappointed you put me on ignore? All you are doing is saving me time rebutting your half baked arguments.
4207  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller is a dangerous person to deal with - avoid on: June 14, 2019, 08:59:26 AM
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So how long should we wait from someone scamming to them not being held liable for that any longer? Just so that I know what guidelines to use. Some old time scammers could be getting a 2nd round of fun here soon if we base it off of a certain amount of years Smiley.

I know you know I am right, you are just playing a game of wills. The problem is this isn't a game you or anyone else will win. If you win, we all lose. Grow the fuck up chicken little.

You don't want to answer the question then? I really want to know as that would make things easier for me when making decisions in the future. Why you always have to resort to name-calling? Sad

So you don't want to respond to any of the points I made but now I am some how obligated to reply to your distractions? That is not name calling, it is a descriptive term alluding to your behavior of calling out "THE SKY IS FALLING!" so you can rush in to save us from the imaginary doom you claim is impending.
4208  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller is a dangerous person to deal with - avoid on: June 14, 2019, 08:55:13 AM
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So how long should we wait from someone scamming to them not being held liable for that any longer? Just so that I know what guidelines to use. Some old time scammers could be getting a 2nd round of fun here soon if we base it off of a certain amount of years Smiley.

I know you know I am right, you are just playing a game of wills. The problem is this isn't a game you or anyone else will win. If you win, we all lose. Grow the fuck up chicken little. This whole pushing impending doom so you can step in to pretend to be the savior act is played out.
4209  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller is a dangerous person to deal with - avoid on: June 14, 2019, 08:45:31 AM
The real reason why QS is far from trustworthy and quite the opposite is because he has a long, established history of flat out lying about things. For years he's been taking personal grudges and turning them into baseless accusations, posting hundreds of times in accusatory threads even after it has been explained to him repeatedly why he is mistaken.

Let's go through some of them:

Hhampuz embezzling signature campaign funds from BestMixer - completely fabricated allegation based 100% on conjecturing and without real, substantiating evidence of claims

Is theymos okay with Blazed being on DT1 when he refuses to account for x00 btc - another series of unsubstantiated allegations in an attempt to damage the standing of Blazed, lauda, and minerjones

owlcatz dox information - doxing attempt on a user who did not scam anybody, not much more needs to be said

Former Staff member Lauda has a pill addiction - not a single shred of evidence produced by QS in 9 pages of discussion

Scammer TMAN - vindictive nonsense demonstrated to be wholly inaccurate

minerjones backing out of multiple auctions - posted in Scam Accusations even though no one had been scammed, clearly a smear attempt on MJ's reputation

Requesting proof of trade between Zepher and TMAN[Zepher engaging in fake trades - QS believes the lack of blockchain evidence on the forum of a trade between 2 highly trusted members warrants a thread claiming they are engaging in "fake trades"

Dooglus is supporting ponzis - Scam Accusation against dooglus for fixing bugs in a script known to be used by Ponzis (he never scammed anyone, nor said he "supported ponzis")

He does have some insightful threads and posts from time to time, but based on the whole of his behavior over the years, I wouldn't trust QS with a wooden nickel.

So why is it then you aren't opening a flag against Vod? He has been responsible for all the same acts as listed above. I have proven he was lying about me using his own contradicting words to justify his abusive negative ratings. If lying is the metric then about half of this forum can go into a dumpster. Also who gets to decide what is a lie and not just a difference of opinion, or simply a mistaken conclusion? Lying necessitates intent, and you have no way to prove in this case what exists only in the mind of another. The purpose of this system is to protect people from fraud, not to put ointment on your inflamed butt holes.




You and I both know Quickseller is more of a threat to himself than you or anyone else. No one really believes your horse shit chicken little, people just don't like him so they are willing to persecute him. Show me a real scammer with proof and you can pour gasoline on him and I will light the match.

We could always do both Wink.


I've not always disliked QS, I mean there was a reason for me even hiring him in one my campaigns but you see how far that took me? If you engage with QS regarding anything that involves money or otherwise you are at a high risk to get burned. I truly believe that and who would I be unless I warned others about it? (I'm not the only one either).

If that is wrong, theymos can oppose the flag and blacklist me + others (he already did with Lauda). I'll still be in support of it, some things are worth far more around here than the imaginary power that is being on DT.

Then don't deal with him. See how simple that is? This is all about the fact he upset you. He didn't do any harm to you other than agitating you, and everyone knows it. Flagging people for making too many accusations is not a precedent that should be set, regardless of how stupid or baseless they are. Baseless accusations fail on their own lack of merits, no additional action is needed.

However punishing accusations again opens right up that 4 lane highway of abuse of being able to silence LEGITIMATE accusations against the people here MOST ABLE to rob massive amounts of value from the most amount of people. You are essentially putting the entire community at risk so you can play your little pretend game he is a threat and get your revenge. This demonstrates to me you don't give a fuck about this community or its safety, you just want your pound of flesh at any cost. You, by trying to justify these types of flags are far more of a threat to the security of the forum than Quickseller could ever be.
4210  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitalism vs. Socialism - Make your argument here. on: June 14, 2019, 08:37:08 AM
Which relevant factor has been changed in favor of communism working now?

And which one of it avoids theft of private property?


Direct democracy which means you can have communism without an abusive government. Which means you can implemant communism without it falling into dictatorship.

And I don't see why "theft of private property" would be a bad thing on its own. Only Americans still consider private property as a sacred divine right.

Nothing has changed, Communism is still the same failed model as before. Pro tip, if you are going to try to critique someone's knowledge level, try not to look like a total moron doing it.

Oh my god nothing as changed since USSR? We haven't learned anything and science hasn't changed shit? Sorry then, I guess nothing as changed and conditions are exactly the same as before, it means there is no reason for communism to succeed.

"Direct Democracy" is just a rebranding of a pure Democracy, which is just a more palatable way of saying mob rule. Under mob rule individuals and minority groups have no rights, because the mob can always just vote their rights away. Democracy is by no means infallible, in fact it makes the populations much more easily controlled because getting people to operate as collective unthinking herds is a lot easier than gaming a Republic for example with protected individual rights and rule of law. You just declaring that it can be done is nothing more than your imagination. Your fantasies do not count as substantiation for your arguments. ALL RIGHTS are property rights. Without property rights you have no rights of ANY KIND.

Oh, I see, the world is different now, so Communism will work this time, promise! You are just making a long form rephrasing of "it wasn't true Communism", IE the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. The world has changed, but Communism has not, and the basic elements that make Communism a failure have not changed in society either.
4211  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why don't we set up capitalist and socialist communes to test which is better? on: June 14, 2019, 08:30:10 AM
What can you say to people with so much bad faith?

You realize I was pointing at the failure to DISTRIBUTE ressources of capitalism right? Not at the overproduction.

But when you claim that homeless people deserve to be so, when you deny the thousands of studies showing that what you do in life is dependant on who your parents were and not what you do, when you're blind to the systemic contruction of poverty and inequalities, what can you understand about capitalism failure?

You see a ver strange world. I just hope you didn't have children that's all. Then you won't have to worry about the rock landing.

What you mean to point to is irrelevant. The fact is even if the resources were more evenly distributed, you know what would happen? Human population would just continue to increase infinitely until there were not enough resources for anyone. You aren't solving anything, you are describing a fantasy.

I never said anyone deserves anything. Facts are facts regardless of what anyone deserves. Your so called studies are based in Sociology, which first of all is the least scientific of any school of science, but this specific debate of nature vs nurture you are pointing to is an ancient and never-ending debate no where near being concluded. Your so called studies regarding this mean nothing even if they were valid, because the premise itself (that it is proven one way or the other) is flawed.
4212  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller is a dangerous person to deal with - avoid on: June 14, 2019, 07:28:53 AM
There is plenty of room in the box, but I think Suchmoon is sleeping right now so I will have to show you later.

I am stopping me, because I am trying to show you goobers you have an opportunity for a reset here and you are immediately setting it on fire just to continue your little obsessions. Quickseller has no authority. You do. Grow the fuck up and get over it.

Standing silently and allowing something to happen is just as bad as taking part. You do you, I won't be idle and let someone fall prey to QS's manipulative behaviour.

You and I both know Quickseller is more of a threat to himself than you or anyone else. No one really believes your horse shit chicken little, people just don't like him so they are willing to persecute him. Show me a real scammer with proof and you can pour gasoline on him and I will light the match.
4213  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller is a dangerous person to deal with - avoid on: June 14, 2019, 06:52:40 AM
I support this flag! Thank you suchmoon for the compelling evidence in OP which makes opposing such a flag quite difficult. Surely it could even be labelled as misuse of the new flag system?

See everyone? It never stops. This is how tyrants operate. First they punish you for accusing them, then they punish anyone who objects to that abuse. Its always more and more until everyone is in a little box they have the key to.

Can you tell me more about how that works? I might have some users that I'd like to... put in a box.


BTW, by this logic above, I could by your metrics open a flag for Vod for accusing me of lying in a negative rating and directly harming my ability for trade by doing so, and never being able to substantiate it. I would expect you all to support it because it would be no different from your flag on Quickseller. You see how this is just the old system? We have a chance to end this bullshit. Stop being petty cunts.

Go ahead and open up that flag, but if you do you best be supporting the flag on QS. Nobody is stopping you, really.

There is plenty of room in the box, but I think Suchmoon is sleeping right now so I will have to show you later.

I am stopping me, because I am trying to show you goobers you have an opportunity for a reset here and you are immediately setting it on fire just to continue your little obsessions. Quickseller has no authority. You do. Grow the fuck up and get over it.
4214  Economy / Reputation / Re: realr0ach is a danger to newbies and guests. on: June 14, 2019, 06:50:07 AM
So far only TECSHARE is only opposing the red flag you have made for realr0ach and I can say that I am leaning on his side as well. The posts you have provided only voice out his opinion towards BTC. He doesn't suggest any other cryptocurrency or shill any kind of investment program towards members, there isn't even the slightest of hint that he is promoting anything else. For me his just another nocoiner messing up the forum with his opinions and false accusation to others. But if you do provide a convincing evidence that he is scamming people then I'll be on your side.
That would be grounds for a different kind of flag and hopefully much more black and white. This type is much more subjective I agree, yet proactive.

Still the bottom line here is you haven't proven anything that realr0ach have scammed someone nor have a potential to do so to other members. It's like you are just flagging him because you have varying opinions with Bitcoin because he is a nocoiner and your not. I don't remember the exact post I made but I might have replied to one of his post about his unrealistic views towards Bitcoin and during that time I didn't see him worthy of a red tag just because of us having different opinion with BTC nor he is worthy of being flagged now.

theymos has changed the trust system just because of this reason on tagging people with personal grudges on and with no relations to any kind of trade whatsoever. Just take a look at his post stating that flags are created for "contractual violations only".

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153820.msg51452954#msg51452954

I still think this post explains why the 'soft just warning flag' =appropriate

Also he assume stuff about members and spread real lies over them, thats also just d*mb sh*t if you don't know anything about the involving person..., lies that other people could believe and are not grounded by anything  (so total lies of fellow members) Roll Eyes



Yeah well, I say you are really secretly a Mr. Potato Head, and you claiming not to be is a lie. See how easy that is? Grow up people and use the system to protect people, not to fight your petty fucking interpersonal disputes.
4215  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller is a dangerous person to deal with - avoid on: June 14, 2019, 06:42:49 AM
I support this flag! Thank you suchmoon for the compelling evidence in OP which makes opposing such a flag quite difficult. Surely it could even be labelled as misuse of the new flag system?

See everyone? It never stops. This is how tyrants operate. First they punish you for accusing them, then they punish anyone who objects to that abuse. Its always more and more until everyone is in a little box they have the key to.

BTW, by this logic above, I could by your metrics open a flag for Vod for accusing me of lying in a negative rating and directly harming my ability for trade by doing so, and never being able to substantiate it. I would expect you all to support it because it would be no different from your flag on Quickseller. You see how this is just the old system? We have a chance to end this bullshit. Stop being petty cunts.
4216  Other / Meta / Re: Trust flags on: June 14, 2019, 06:40:14 AM
The negative trust by these two seems pretty shady to me. I don't think there was any credible evidence of polo scamming in 2017.
Polo was way behind on their support tickets at the time. They also had taken down their trollbox at the same time. I can see where people were getting leery that another exit scam was looming. Polo has since changed ownership, anyway. So the tags should probably be revised. Unfortunately, Zepher can't revise his.  Embarrassed
Oh yea, I definitely agree, being behind on support tickets is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, no proof beyond any doubt, that the exchange is scamming its users.
Roll Eyes
I know for a fact that Poloniex lied to customers about KYC verification, but i’m not sure when exactly that happend anymore.

Read: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/8mizvf/dear_poloniex_you_specifically_said_you_wont_hold/
They cant be held to their word and due to that i find them extremely untrustworthy. Imo they deserve to be tagged for this alone.

Also more recently all the people margin trading lost 16% of their margin funds due to sudden liquidations of a single low-cap shitcoin.

Quick maths shows this is nearly impossible and likely some sort of scam
https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/bxknrf/poloniex_btc_margin_lending_pool_losses/


I can verify both the lies about KYC as well as the margin lending losses. Regarding margin trading, it is a WELL KNOWN tool of market manipulation (read fraud) used to control precious metals prices for example. Also I am very familiar with the Clamcoin market, and it was well known to have a lack of liquidity. This was not an accident it was a setup. This is exactly the type of behavior Cryptsy was exhibiting, in fact point by point. If I remember right Cryptsy didn't have margin trading, but they played similar games with liquidity and other processes. For example they would let people drive up a coin's price then disable the front end so they could scalp the order books via the API which was still active.
4217  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why don't we set up capitalist and socialist communes to test which is better? on: June 14, 2019, 06:28:34 AM

because the capitalist communes will try to leech of the socialist ones, like it was the case during cold war.


ever heard of the polish plumbers in uk?

capitalists have a systemic behavior of leeching of the work of others,

bitcoin also leeches, the electricity and the work of the teachers of a nation who educated the workforce.

regards

Ever heard of any socialist program in any capitalist country ever?

ever heard of capitalist countries that just seek to burn and abuse their population? thats the norm in milliania of human history, not the exception like currently

meet xerxes a persian capitalists, that was capitalism during 99% of human history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NV9DSykTbo

Both systems are capable of abuse. Only one of them is a failed model in its own right.
4218  Other / Politics & Society / Re: LATEST: Two oil tankers were damaged in a suspected attack near the entrance to on: June 13, 2019, 11:24:33 PM
As part of the US, I obviously recognize that.
Considering your use of the collective "the US" I doubt that. Either that or you are being willfully disingenuous. IMO it is more likely this was the work of Israel, they have a lot more to gain from the US attacking Iran.
4219  Other / Politics & Society / Re: LATEST: Two oil tankers were damaged in a suspected attack near the entrance to on: June 13, 2019, 10:57:54 PM
Its obviously the US.  This is the exact same thing they do every time every place.  Not sarcasm. 

"The US" is not monolithic.
4220  Economy / Reputation / Re: Quickseller is a dangerous person to deal with - avoid on: June 13, 2019, 10:12:07 PM
Great, so you admit that this is not only based on his opinion, which is expressly prohibited, but this is also very likely retaliatory.

No, I don't, I have stated numerous times what specific facts this is based on. If you wanna have the last say - go ahead. I won't entertain this circular word play anymore.

Feel free to report me to admistration too for some mailing list treatment.


Sorry, but you are the one running in circles. If it is valid to flag people for making an accusation, all we have is the same broken system we had before where the trust system is openly used as a tool of retaliation for punishing users for making reports against certain users. I believe this is intentionally designed to subvert the intent of the system. The system is not here for you to punish people for saying things you don't like, it is here to protect people from fraud and theft. You know this, but you like other mall cops can't cope with your loss of dictatorial control and are clinging to it with every ounce of semantics and twisted logic you can muster.
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