Fact based, on topic input should be silenced in meta.

I notice some persons are trying to set some local rules in threads to prevent fact based debates taking place so that they may attempt to present a one sided argument and allow only those that support their side to contribute.

No observable events nor facts should ever be precluded from a thread if they are on topic and relevant surely? this enables misleading and false information to proliferate and appear to be valid since there are no rebuttals allowed. This in meta is ludicrous.

This is not in anyway the same as someone setting rules for the type of person that can purchase their items on the sales board. It is your item you can decide who you sell it to. On a discussion board people have the right to present facts that are on topic and relevant. The very notion of trying to preclude persons that can offer a facts based rebuttal/refutation is net negative.

This is just another attempt to silence people that want to rebut and make a sensible, logical and fact based refutation of the central points they are trying to enforce as truth when perhaps they are not.

Setting " rules" for who can reply on a thread in meta is totally corrupt.

All persons posting in meta are subject to the same rules.

Sensible, on topic debate.

When something is off topic then there should be a sensible case provided for why it was off topic and a warning given.

For something to be off topic again needs clear criteria provided.

Actually as many of you have noticed I am very much in favour of developing criteria that can be applied fairly to every person on this forum.

Again a baseless and groundless statement.

Prove I have acted untrustworthy or your statement is net negative and untrustworthy itself.

Thanks that strengthens my argument nicely.

However as I said bring forth your great posts that demonstrate you can produce some original work that is thought inspiring and that has contributed great value to the forum .. or perhaps a debate where your posts show great insight and were very positive with regard reaching the optimal outcome.

I mean just any original work from you that demonstrates you are capable of making posts as insightful and thoughtful as other legends with less than 80 earned merits. Earned merits = nothing to do with trust. Earned merits = nothing to do with value of user and their posts.

Go have a debate with smooth, go have a debate with DZ, go have a debate with gjhiggins or any other of the ton of legends whom have value that is not even comparable to your own negative value ...and people that have been huge sums for communities that apparently are not as trustworthy as self confessed trust abuser as yourself who has been implicated in an extortion scheme.

Bring some sensible rebuttal and try to make a plausible refutation of my central points or just remain silent because your posts are net negative.

Remain civil and debate with me or just vanish.

Oh so you broke your promise so quickly ?

Let me explain to you something. You do not understand that the very metrics you are quoting I have proven already are cycled and subjective and mean nothing.

@ TMAN

here is my challenge to you once again.

Bring me here now you best 10 posts so  I can see why you are worthy of all of this merit.

Bring me some posts here that demonstrate some original thought inspiring posts and some debates you have had that demonstrate that you are a high value member.

I am simply responding to your false accusations and faux rebuttal.

1. You do not get to silence free expression and relevant points being made on meta. That is why there are no self moderation threads here.
2. I have been told in the past when wishing for people not to post on my threads that is not my decision to make.

It is my opinion and substantiated by observable fact that a person (TMAN) who will give red trust by his own admission to someone for presenting facts related to scams and scammers is trying to corrupt the entire purpose of DT.

Well said ... I agree. Once proven untrustworthy then no chance to become trustworthy.

Earned merits (subjective cycled low value and misleading score) - unrelated to trust.  Ignores merits given before airdrop and makes it seem like all contributions of older legends before airdrop are worth zero . When actually having a long time line of post history to review makes it far more useful with regard trust.

Should be related to activity + merit (low emphasis on merit) I would suggest the key 2 approvals should be tied to 1500 activity + 50 earned merits ( and total merit minimum of 1050)

Need a real game theory expert to design something that is not so easily and observably gamed already.

This system currently does the opposite to what I said needed doing. The 2 systems of control merit source and DT should separated - if you are a merit source you are not a DT

However of course some criteria should be introduced to give merit any real value

Well yes exactly so.

If you dare to mention facts about any dirty tricks they are implicated in or something they dont like...... red trust lol

irritated because I am pointing out clearly that you are afraid to review observable facts that prove lauda lied and give your opinion.

Sorry you're irritated but you should be ashamed. Simple as that.

You dont have to buy it you have to prove that anything i have said does not demonstrate that I am. That is how it works. You need to provide a case for your opinion or it is just groundless.

Your views of racist trolling to sig spam for bucks may not be the view of all. It obviously is not judging by that thread people are genuinely upset and offended.

That does not change the fact that apparently you had the courage to dox yourself but the not the courage to review proof of a lie and say it was a lie.

Now if you like people racist trolling for sig spam bucks that is your view I am not going to argue about that.  That is your view.
But don't apply double standards to other peoples posts.

Never complain about trolling, or people spamming with puppet accounts for more btc dust.

Also you still did not answer the the most important question.

You are all terrified of something.

Oh well let's not get paranoid. Why you should think that is something to worry about I have no idea. This is a sensible progressive forum the majority will not treat you any differently. This is the 2019 these qualities are not treated as negative by most civilised people.


However I stick by my statement you, moglie, jetcash and others are provided evidence of a lie and will not say

Okay yep that was a lie.

Seems strange.

If anything you should be fighting for a transparent and fairer system not railing against it.

Why are you getting upset that I am simply telling the truth. It makes zero sense.

Meta is a fucking weird but fun place. Nobody here seems to enjoy being truthful or wants to make things fair and creating a real meritocracy.

I mean present anything that I have said that makes you believe I am asking for anything but that.

Complain about drama

Wants more drama

Asked to provide a case as to why proven facts demonstrating there are  liars on dt is defined as drama

Merited by another person who dare not even review facts of proven lies and respond because is too scared.

LOL meta... got to love it.

Moglie where is that coward gone? Is he a proven liar now?

He said demonstrate evidence lauda lied and he will remove lauda from his list and add me.

I said forget adding me just remove him. I wonder if he did after I provided the evidence ........just ran away...........zoom.

So why have proven liars and those that support liars? seems you should be excluded at once.

I agree but the main issue you will have is that all the power was just handed to them because ultimate system controller power for DT resides with earned (cycled gamed undeserved merit)

ask loyce, pharmacist of tman, fox pup, bla bla any of these to provide you with some of their best, insightful and thought provoking posts.... that you  would expect such high merit holders to have by the 100's...... and.....

You will get nothing. These fools can not provide any content here except parroting crap they already got spoon fed to spam their sigs.

Most of these low functioning keyboard bullies are mentally deficient and yet seek to show their high merit scores as some kind of guarantee/certificate that they are valuable and can provide great posts here. NO.

Then you present them facts and they shrink away.

Or you ask them for evidence for their claims .... vanish.

Very polluted indeed.

Well you ran off when I just asked you to substantiate something so that is more like it.

Let's see if you can keep your promise

I present nothing other than facts. If they are found at any time to be offtopic (unless I replying to an already offtopic accusation or lie) then please let me know if it is offtopic and present a case for it.  I have not knowingly posted an offtopic post unless the scenario i described is brought about by others.

Let's see how it goes.


reminds me of moglie who made a promise then ran away when I kept my end?

Can you demonstrate an example so that I can understand clearly what you mean?

The issue here is clearly.

1. facts and observable events are being deliberately ignored that demonstrate wrong doing.
2. these people observably doing wrong seem to able to do so with impunity.
3. People are observably making false assumptions and making false accusations. In any topic correcting them with factual infomation is totally on topic. The optimal solution or outcome or answer relies on correct and factual information being presented.

However people shouting opinions unrelated to the topic at all that have no grounding in the form of corroborating hard evidence/events and those who will not respond when challenged and asked for supporting evidence for their claims are those that should be banned. They are net negative and obstruct correct and true information being presented.

However I would still like to see an example of the kind of post you are referring to so that I can clearly see what you are trying to say.

Also have you review the evidence that I have provided that lauda is a proven liar? what do you say about that.

Have you reviewed the evidence that the pharmacist aka huge black woman is a racist, greedy, sock puppet that sig spams his trolling all over the board for btc dust?


Jetcash - can you provide an example of a post you think is funny and you can take the piss ... I mean I find it difficult to believe that a visibly terrified individual who will refuse to even look at proven facts regarding wrong doing can take the piss? this sounds remarkable....how so. Tell me and give an example so I can see how this is possible.

Is one an example of a DT member observably telling lies?  Is that one of the most funny ones?

Specific examples are best...

I could only locate low functioning crap??

Some post giving out merits to beggars who were judged apparently by you? that was a damaging post ...imagine merits given out on here by a full on mentally deficient pleb like you??  I mean that is negative you are destroying the value of that metric.

I mean that could not the limit of posts from such an amazing mind as yours surely...

Where are the important thought provoking  posts that prove you have some kind use here??

I must have missed them. Please provide some urls to great posts that you have made ?? come on I challenge you again provide the urls to the great posts.

I ask all you high merit divs to provide me with their great post and great works?? NOTHING LOL

Last chance bring your great insightful and thought provoking contributions

TICK TOCK

tman? where are you?

Thanks admitting you have not made any real good posts and your merit is just cycled crap from your pals or people who want into your stupid gang.


Or you can refute this and bring me a post of yours you know was a great example of the thought inspiring and important work you are capable of...


TICK TOCK

Bring me just 5 of your best ...............come on tman surely you can provide 5 great posts for all of this merit??

Let's see them...

What about this one you made admitting you abuse the trust system and give red trust for people posting facts about scams and liars



PICK YOUR BEST 5 NOW.

Tman left me trust abuse for providing facts about laudas trust abuse and the fact lauda is a proven liar.

They are implicated in the same extortion scheme

Tman kisses laudas ass and does what he is told when he is told.

Most DT here are either part of the gang or scared of the gang so don't expect any help from them.

Expect more asskissers to this gang recruited because their stamp of approval is now required to get on DT

How many come from your top 30 cycling pals....

how many have puppet accounts like the pharmacist aka huge black woman??


SO PROVIDE YOUR BEST POSTS SO WE CAN SEE ALL THESE BRILLIANT ORIGINAL THOUGHT CONTRIBUTIONS YOU HAVE POSTED.

come on let's have some fun.

Bring some of your finest posts. I am waiting. I mean so much merit??? surely you have some great though inspiring and briliant posts???

We will see why exactly here why merit is = an abused and broken metric.

Or perhaps you have made some fantastic content and thought provoking posts bring them here now??

I mean you like boasting about all of this merit surely you will love to boast and demonstrate all of your best posts....hehe

TICK TOCK  weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Bets on everyone will he provide some amazing posts for us to review? or just low functioning word salad nothing burgers stuff he parrots from his other circle jerk friends.

what no bets on tman providing good posts cos he is a proven moron??? that's not nice....let's wait and see . Give him a chance.