LMAO, let me sleep over it for a few days? That post I made above took about four hours to edit the link and get a quick refresher course. I probably will, given I've planned about it before, but let me mull over it for a while, given I probably have to re-sweep several pages of the accusation boards to check if the list provided here covers everything [if my memory serves me right, I think some cases are not mentioned here] I can't imagine how many hours will be spent on it.

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Ahh... thank you. I'll most likely use this format fixed by you if I take over the list from OP. And yes, the strikethrough will be completely abandoned when the list are displayed on table.

Oh well, I clearly don't understand about your tokenomy, the part about presale to early investor and that statement about "now we are allocating tokens to the team and volunteers from tokens intended for early investors".

And the fund gained from token sale, aside from to cover the operating cost, it'll also be used to develop the game?

BitcoinGirl.Club, if I may color code the cases based on my very personal opinion, with the criteria as below,

Active
- Cases that met with Rollbit's silence without clear explanation

Inactive/Not Applicable
- Old case that's been more than one month without any update from the accusers [with Razer already replied]
- Cases where Razer has addressed and the accuser didn't challenge the counter-accusation or invitation to arbitrator
- Cases that are out of Rollbit's hand [Sportsbook's decision, clash of interest with legal compliance]

Open
- Cases that's open and waiting to be cleared

Resolved
- Case that reached resolution, either implied or clearly stated

the cases will be like this:

Rollbit
Rollbit   1/5/2024   $110,117.52   Rollbit Holding my withdrawl Open | Pending 3rd party AML review
Rollbit   12/6/2023   $30,000   [RESOLVED] Rollbit withdrawal of 30k USD pending for 4 days Resolved
Rollbit   11/28/2023   $292.00   Rollbit voided my won bet after match finished Not Applicable | Bet was cancelled by the provider, not Rollbit
Rollbit  11/5/2023  $22,000  Rollbit Stealing $22k and Banning my Account - Not Applicable | Fund contain trace of ML activity, case set to private
Rollbit  10/23/2023  ?  Rollbit has literally has thrown my money away, sending it to an FTX address - Not Applicable | [IMO]¹
Rollbit  10/4/2023 ? 🚨🚨🚨 ROLLBIT robbed my money. I made honest bet 🚨🚨🚨HELP 😢😢😢 Inactive | OP never returned
Rollbit   8/31/2023   ?   Rollbit.com + Pragmatic Blackjack Scammed Me Inactive | OP never returned, Razer last reply was his ticket is closed   
Rollbit   8/21/2023   $30,211.00   Rollbit Scam. Cannot Withdraw $30,211. Being Ignored by Support. Inactive | Razer offered to escalating to their licensor, I think OP didn't accept it... for unspecified reason   
Rollbit   6/29/2023   $410.00   Rollbit disabling account and confiscating balance of $410 Resolved
Rollbit   4/19/2023   $10,200.00   Rollbit disables account and seizes funds (10.2k)! Inactive | Escalated to their licensor, never updated   
Rollbit   6/25/2023   $4,000.00   Rollbit Holding $4k Withdrawal | Been 7 days+ Resolved
Rollbit   5/25/2023   $5,000.00   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5454027.0 Active | Never addressed
Rollbit   4/8/2023   $920.00   Rollbit hold funds and ignore in chat Resolved | Sportsbook abuse, fake credentials proven through video verification   
Rollbit   4/6/2023   $255.00   rollbit scam (255 USDT) Resolved | explained here   
Rollbit   4/3/2023   $350.00   Rollbit scam Resolved
Rollbit   3/7/2023   $12,800.00   Rollbit Withdrawal Frozen For $12,800 & No Response Resolved
Rollbit   2/23/2023   ?   Scammed by Rollbit Inactive | it was about verifying a bet to be sure it's not a graphic glitch, I think OP finally managed to verify it   
Rollbit   2/21/23   $1,497.00   (SCAM) ROLLBIT.COM - you Deposit 1497 BUSD, you Withdraw 0 (account blocked) Active | never addressed   
Rollbit   1/10/2023   ?   Rollbit Scammed Not Applicable | It was... 8bet's case, OP tried to scam
Rollbit   1/3/2023   $737.00   SCAM rollbit $737.00 Not Applicable | sportsbook limitation circumvention

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OP, I also took the initiative to summarize sportsbet's cases, because as far as I know they're quite prompt in solving cases, they'll look like this:

Sportsbet
Sportsbet  12/3/2023   $14,500.00   Sportsbet scam my $14450 please help me Inactive | OP was advised to escalate to mediator, never heard from him ever since
Sportsbet   11/5/2023  ?  (SOLVED) Sportsbet.io - rude support and wierd decisions Resolved | fritvalg
Sportsbet    9/29/2023  $5,000  Sportbet.one just stole $5k usd from me Not Applicable | this is sportbet[dot]one's case, not sportsbet[dot]io's, different casino
Sportsbet   9/13/2023   $250.00   DO NOT BET ANYMORE ON SPORTSBET.IO, wrong bet decision on unusual match Resolved
Sportsbet   8/22/2023   38.32 LTC    Not Applicable | it seems to be a case of clipboard hijacking, not SB's mistake
Sportsbet   8/14/2023   $1,200.00   SPORTSBET.io falsely accuses me of multi-accounting, and REFUSES to pay my money Inactive | OP stopped responding after his case was escalated to the licensor
Sportsbet   4/24/2023   $1,350.00   SPORTSBET.io accuse me with multi accounting and DONT PAY MY WINNINGS Resolved
Sportsbet   3/23/2023   $5,500.00   Sportsbet.io Steal money | Resolved | accused to be multi-accounting and OP's post history prove he's buying SB accounts
Sportsbet   5/4/2023   ?   SPORTSBET.IO - FAKE GAMES IN-PLAY - BE CAREFUL Resolved | fritvalg²
Sportsbet   4/3/2023   219 mBTC   [RESOLVED] Sportsbet.io - Holding my funds (342 mBTC) Resolved
Sportsbet   2/14/2023   $1,731.00   sportsbet.io scam 1731 usdt Inactive | OP escalate the case to licensor, never came back to give an update
Sportsbet   3/8/2023   $1,700.00   SCAM SITE Sportbet.io stealing money ( IMPORTANT ) Resolved
Sportsbet   1/17/2023   $250.00   Sportsbet.io took my money inactive but I am somewhat believe it's resolved | case of double-spend that Steve said his team will look into
Sportsbet   1/5/2023   $6,472.00   Sportsbet.io multi-accounting problem Resolved

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Would you be so kind and tell me what I did wrong?


This is a good idea. I  can agree that, at times, cases are not black and white, it's not as simple as active and resolved. Just so it happens, I tried the same approach as you proposed when I started my summary above, with "inactive" and "not applicable" marked in orange. I think your proposed "neutral" is the equivalent of my "open" [marked in blue]. Although I am still torn whether we should mark the ones I color-coded in orange as strikedthrough [thus, considered solved] or not.

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¹The OP shared majority of the blame because he deliberately waited 1 year to do AML level KYC. Part of 2nd layer of AML by casino is to return the verified fund to the originating address [in OP's case, FTX's address]. Razer offered to "compensate" the lost fund by hiring the OP of that thread in their campaign once he can wear signature.

² The accuser was the same as the one raising a thread on case number #2, given he returned to SB 7 months later [4th May and then 5th November] I think it's safe to say his earlier case [the one on 4th May] got resolved or having similar outcome, which encourage him to stay with SB

Lemme try to weed these out, sort the ones that's still active from the ones that's resolved and the ones that --I think-- not or no longer applicable due to the lack of supporting evidence or the OP no longer active. I think it'll be a quick rework, given I think I am quite familiar with most of their previous cases.

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My draft for that thread I mentioned on the previous post looks like this, if you want to copy them, [I edited the status so it'll better reflect the current situation].

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BC.Game

Thread	Complainant	Disputed Amount	Status
BC.game asking me to lose intentionally, then confiscating funds	GekkeBelg	mBTC88	resolved
BC GAME LOSES DISPUTE AGAINST ME - AND STILL DOES NOT PAY MY WINNINGS	Jannn	$3,409	resolved
BlockDance B.V., BC.Game and its Fraudulent “Operator Verifier”	earlypaco	$7,111	resolved
BC.Game cancelled my bonuses and locked my account with $100k+ USD balance	-god-	$250,000	resolved
BC.Game - can't withdraw 7.97 BTC	dplay	BTC7.97	resolved

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You're more than welcome to use that template above. It might looks headache inducing at first look, but you'll get the grasp of it when you start adding entries to the template. The table "coding" was a bit overwhelming for me the first time I began composing that draft too, but then I got into the pattern.

I think it's essential to add the complainant's name in the list so when it grow, we can easily see who open dozens of cases and what happened [whether their case are valid, extortionist, repetitively made unsubstantiated accusations, etc.]

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Edit: LMAO, I am not sure why the left-most column was so narrow when it's posted and resuting in the text being stacked. Given I never get past "preview" phase, I didn't know it'll look like that. The previewed draft looks kinda nice.

Edit 2: Nope, I gave up, trying several things to fix it and it still didn't work. I am not sure what I did wrong that it got stacked like that, I am resetting it back to my original draft. Anyone can give input what I did wrong? The one in my preview page looks nice enough,

Reflecting from other cases, part of the verifying and reviewing withdrawals are not handled and decided by a casino's internal team, one of process of it was ensuring there are no cheating happened during the entire play, and it's done by a third party verifier. That is why they can not give an exact timeframe when will the review be done.

Let me ask Razer to see if the third-party verification has been completed and your withdrawal is simply waiting to be processed by their team and if he can expedite it. He hasn't been online for a while, please give some time for him to notice my PM.

I agree that it should fit better in reputation board. I nearly made one myself back when BC had a piling case against them [now resolved], I even already drafted the table, and intended to make it as an ever-growing and constantly-updated thread about active and past cases, but didn't go with it as BC began to attending to their cases and I got myself focused on those. And then I forgot about the draft, LOL.

May I suggest to add title to the thread instead of just link? People who usually overseeing accusation threads are most likely more familiar with the name of the thread instead of the thread ID and link. This way, we can help informing you which cases are valid and open, which ones are empty accusation, and which ones are soved.

And on that topic, I peeked into some of the threads on your list and noticed that half of them are not even valid anymore, given the OP of the threads barely update their thread, probably either because it's solved or they mada false accusations, some also had been ruled out by third party arbitrators as resolved.

Ohh, take your time, no need to rush, do try to explain. I believe I am not the only one misunderstood, your careful and clear explanation might help us get some sense of what you actually planned.


And the fund gained from these token sold are intended to...?

This previous statement seems to contradict the one above? Or was it just me thinking so?


As evidenced, the statement was "now we are allocating tokens to the team and volunteers" instead of "we haveve allocated token to the team and volunteer"


Again, contradictory to the earlier post,


This is not asking for financing?

This is interesting, I just took a glance here and there, so I can't be sure I grasp the whole situation, but I believe you have something as an evidence to back up this claim? Otherwise, I think it's... slander.


What does it make the website and the owner, then? An identity thief? I think there is a law prohibiting people using other people's credential as their own?

I think the "sanction" given to mixer accounts will only be putting their account on PM-only mode? Anything related to their platform, unless it got affected by the word-filter, will left as how it be, as long as they did not make any new advertisement?

Wait, roll back a bit, what scam does the OP do? And you seemed to forgot to justify the fact that they use fake photo for their live support. What's the good excuse for this? Certainly a project that's built in a good faith, no matter how new they are, will not try to fool people with fake photo?

Uhh... you do aware that the owner of the site admitted that he "stretched the truth", use fake profile as their customer service, and have fake reviews? And the numbers they gave on their site are most likely "stretched truth" too. Even if the author of this thread did not provide evidence [though the evidence and findings regarding this site are quite abundant, given by many users who pitched in], there is a written statement by the owner of the site admitting his... stretched truth

LMAO, you're an interesting one, aren't you? You continue on contradicting yourself. First you don't have an allocation for your team, and then you decided to share the early investors pre-sale token with the team because they are "early investors" [paid in time] upon being asked if the tokenomy changed, and after talking in circles, you said that it was the plan from the beginning, and now, when asked why doesn't it show dedicated allocation for team, you said as quoted above.


Actually, I'll beg to differ and say that the process of making decision of changing tokenomy shouldn't be internal or even happening at all. You ask for a funding here through token sale, it is very unethical to change your business proposal, the one that people use as one of their consideration to invest in your project by buying your token, unilaterally through your internal team's decision, i.e. because you deemed it fit. It doesn't evoke much confidence at all, does it? If it has to happen, it should be through your community agreement.

I appreciate your effort and the purpose of this thread, and I have no intention to derail it, but isn't there a more efficient way to track our portfolio than using spreadsheet? There are price tracking apps that integrate themselves with rate of certain exchange or to global rate, like BlockFolio... before it got rebranded and met is ultimate fiasco. They also come with feature that give us periodic notification when the token we watch increases or decreases on certain percentage that we can set.

I barely check the one on my phone because I currently only keep my eyes on selected few tokens and I track their price through an exchange so I can know the exact rate of my portfolio, but I am aware that Delta [the one I installed] alert me every time ETH or BTC jumped or dropped certain level.

And then there's TrustWallet that also give us the rough estimate of the total fund we have in our wallet.

Interesting. How do you plan to set the initial price? Will it be like the old projects that "leave it to the market" where the first person selling the token will set the price? Or will it be predetermined through a system like a vote?

Oh my gosh, that's relieving to know that it's been your plan from the beginning, that explains a lot, like why the tokenomy said "5% pre-sale to early investors" instead of something like "2.5% to early investors" and "2.5% to team", or that you said,


yeah, that clearly shows you've had that plan in your tokenomy.

And regarding the team, I assume that means the decision was made by the two full time employees? Or the part-time also has a vote?

Quoted in full for reference.

Now, where do I saw the allocation for the team? Nowhere in your tokenomy, and that's the problem and the question here, because later on, apparently the early investors allocation are now allocated for team, as per your own statement. If you argue that team members are early investors that invest their time, then allocate some fund for them from the very beginning instead of taking it from what's intended for other category. Seems like a bad planning, is it not?

And regarding changing the tokenomy "if we think it's better for the project", how many people is in this "we", again?

Umm... there is this feature called "forgot your password" that'll help you re-gain access to your account. Or opt-ing to answer security question, in case you set that feature up.

I beg to differ, merit/smerit not only effectively prevent spammers, it also makes account farming and selling rather difficult as simple post ratio no longers enough to raise rank and make it worth more. It was and it still.

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Go ask theymos.

None, that's why I asked, that's the whole point of my question. There wasn't an allocation for team on your paper [archived], and then they suddenly share allocation with early investors because... you decided it to be that way?

Does it mean other part in the tokenomy also subjected to changes the way you will them?


You might want to look for the definition of "volunteer".