noticed trends, eh? 

as a professional gambler, I'm labeling this a

SCAM

SCAM du JOUR

GET PONZI'S OUT OF /GAMBLING

and now the guy is lulzing the 1 site per thread rule by using sub-domains. 

Mods, clearly it's time to put an end to this

ST6 informed me we have to reboot the server ASAP.

Should happen in a few minutes and will last ~20 minutes.

MTT players may notice their blinds are not increasing.  System will award ICM prizes.  Please email support with any issues.  

[EDIT:  it's back / ST6 getting faster]

I'm on / i'm micon / how do we gamble

tyvm for this.  We *really* need a twitter-bot that auto-tweets this stuff.  get that on the bottom of the dev task list  

standard low post count "It's awesome!"  mixed with tons of copy-pasta type ponzi sites.  Like a few operators are laughing right now.


we need to act as a forum.  If we all go nuts on the report to moderator every ponzi every post we can make a change.  But as is, one or 4 of us doing it has clearly been ignored

like we make 20x threads of

"PONZI'S ARE NOT GAMBLING.  MODS PLEASE MAKE A NEW SUB.  LEGITIMATE BITCOIN GAMBLING SITES ARE BEING HURT"

and bump the everyliving nuts out of them and make intelligent discussion over in /meta and try and get the mods to see we are pissed and these ponzi sites, with so many threads, are doing nothing less than ruining what was once a very tightly run and important forum for legitimate bitcoin gambling sites.  A shame all those eyeballs see nothing but Ponzi scams for the past few weeks.  Prolly turned off a bunch of gamblers.  Legit sites are the big losers in this.  -1 bitcoin image too.

mem, I'm with you in this fight.  they have simply been allowed to take over.  spirit of marketplace/gambling, destroyed in a scammy ball of bitcoin dust.  I feel it too my man. 

The mods are our only hope.  Maybe that or a revolt / peaceful non-violent forum demonstration of some sort.  maybe make 20 threads that all say "PONZI'S GET OUT OF MARKETPLACE / GAMBLING THEY ARE SCAMS"

and bump all 20 each time a ponzi thread is at the top.  Then we make the mods, at the very least, make a /ponzi subcat off marketplace and let the kids try and not be left with the flaming ball of shit when the music stops to their hearts content in this cute little model libertarian community where even blatent scams have a subcat and I totally agree with that because, well, some of these idiot humans running around love to send coins to ponzi's over and over again. And they should have the right to get fucked out of their bitcoins.  but not in a forum of legitimate btc gambling sites.

1)  Idiocracy has come true.  Many idiot humans can't wait to be 15th in line to the next Ponzi.

2)  Because Bitcointalk has allowed them to over-run one of the most viewed, one of the fastest-growing areas within bitcointalk the following things have occurred in the past weeks:
2a)  Many, many cheap, re-used code sites are popping up daily still.  Who knows how may kid-shit new operators are now encouraged to try and scam some dust
2b)  The massive fragmentation now means that the /Gambling page is cluttered with low-rent ponzi scam sites.  This is an effective marketing tool
2c)  the fragmentation follows the "one site per thread" rule
2d)  many ponzis have failed (Because they are ponzis, and they all fail rather quickly) leaving a trail of tears in marketplace/gambling

3)  this makes bitcointalk much less readable, less valuable, and directs more newb. coins towards scams.  If they are so stupid as to keep sending money to ponzis, why not send the donk-coins to legitimate sites to strengthen them?

1)  ST6 busts their asses busting cheaters. 

2)  If you feel accounts are colluding, please tell support@sealswithclubs.eu and IMO post it publicly.  record hand histories or at least the hand number(s)  This is the hard evidence if someone believes collusion is occurring.  Without it, +1 guy on internet screaming it's rigged.

3)  The SwC community actively polices the games.  It's very similar to how at Bellagio or Aria the players are making sure other players aren't cheating.  I encourage all players to speak up if they feel something is unfair.  If you are uncomfortable posting on public forums please msg us via email.  All communication with SwC is private.

Krillament clarification:  No reduction in anything, yes the date-thing was confusing because I simply copied all that were in the lobby at the time.  Obv forgot the 1.25k will roll a bunch of times (every 4 daysish)  and didn't include each one.  same with the 5k.

lol crosby

many feel differently in the bitcoin community.  Take a guy like dooglus, I trust him but he's anon.  What about cloudbet & bitcoinvideocasino?  Trust both of them, they choose to run the sites anon.  you are saying this is wrong in general to do?

Agreed.  Both Ender's and Satoshi's.

1)  IMO remove his contact info, he didn't do anything to deserve that

2)  chat msging functionality & chat color is the only special thing bet bot has.  It is unfortunate what Ender did, but we have since talked and I'm confident he won't do anything like that again.

3)  A stronger disclaimer is likely needed. 

4)  I think my record states how pissed off I was about this, yet I don't see a reason to dox him.  Please reconsider your actions, let's get this moving in a positive direction. 

5)  SealsDeals competitors were already close before this, a few are trying very hard to come to market.  If something is really cool, I'm confident ST6 will also all it in chat too. 

SealsDeals is a 3rd party site that has a bot in lobby chat with the username:  bet

SwC itself has had no issues the past few days and is safe to play.  SwC is run by poker players put out of work from Black Friday.  We are a growing organization that has startup-like pains occasionally, but we have a 2+ year history of keeping the coins safe and processing withdraws in ~12 hours.  This thread and our 2+2 thread serve as an open book of how we have operated since inception.

Certainly there is risk in all things BTC at this point, but IMO SwC has been a pillar of transparency and proper operation.

This is what pissed me off the most.  When it was down with that amateur hour msg, all I could think about were users with 800 chips on SwC and 100 of them in the bet bot #credit waiting to fire on their friends and associates' MTTs.  Bet going intentionally down and posting a Magicaltux-like msg on their site holding player coins made me physically sick.  I had to go AFK for a few hours yesterday so I didn't skype-tilt on glitch anymore.  That being said, a few statements:

1) glitch I was pissed off an unprofessional over Skype yesterday.  Sorry for the wall of anger.  I think it would have been better directed at Ender, but after he made the move to shut it off, he made a similarly cowardly move to be unreachable directly after.   Glitch is an asset to the bitcoin poker community.  He loves the shit as much as I do it seems.  #Brofist.

2) Even with SealsDeals back, I am still 100% available to help any team wishing to create something competing.  The SwC staking market is under no exclusive contract.  If someone builds something better I'm sure the community will vote with their feet.

3)  I believe an apology to the community is needed by Ender.  Regardless of what he hoped to accomplish by doing this, it was wrong, it pissed off players that pay coins to use SD, and did irreparable damage to Ender / SealsDeals integrity.  Now we know if we choose to use SealsDeals, they may simply without any technical reason take the site offline and hold our coins arbitrarily.  This is not the type of service I can see myself using in the future.  Too many unkowns for me.  I am personally going to withdraw all my coins from bet bot and stop using them.  Yes this will mean I'm no longer staking massively as I have been.  When a system I can trust comes along, I'll use it. 

4)  WoT - if you guys want a *real* WoT that you can T, then we need to start at square one.  All sites that do staking could use a crowd-sourced real WoT system that makes sense, not one that I can easily think of ways to game it instantly.  Let's start that discussion in a new, more productive thread

no.  the operators took the site offline with little warning. 

I am truly hoping another staking site comes up soon, this sudden shut down with customer funds in "Credit" area leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and while I want to stake people on SwC in MTTs I don't think i'll be using bet or sealsdeals anymore.