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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135914.0just skip pages 10-17ish. You can tell this is a betting thread in marketplace-> gambling. Josh Zerlan shows up out of nowhere and starts insulting me. But the moment you fight back vs. Inaba or BFL in general, a mod comes to their rescue, all the while allowing the BFL user to basically do whatever they want. Censorship at it's finest. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135914.0This is excessive. Not at all. The bumping is being done by a 3rd party company in California, and no BFL reps are over there. How could they expect to take pictures of the process or the chips? Are you under the assumption Bryan is rational and able to think above a 2nd grade level? That would be your first mistake if so... Bryan is emotionally and mentally at the stage of "The wold revolves around me and I will throw a fit when people don't do what I think they should do." (This is the same stage most 8 - 10 year old are at) Just check out his conspiracy theories about how there's a world wide cabal of people working to stymie his reddit posts. How's that investigation going Bryan, did you uncover anything yet? You have yet to answer Bryan. Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? I can only imagine what the harmonious home life of Josh Zerlan is like, I'm sure it involves mostly green tea, meditation, and Oprah's Master Class on DVR. Here is a talking point: Butterfly Labs refuses to take digital pictures of their ASIC chips, now in the USA. Josh Zerlan cites oddities like "BFL reps are not on site," as if the not 1 person in the bumping facility has a smartphone. How can customers accept the fact that there are 0 pictures of the super-mining chips, 1 week after they arrived at the facility? And this is why you are a failed poker player and not running a successful business. You are simply unable to understand simple concepts, which is a prerequisite to being able to function in every day society, something you clearly have not mastered yet. By the way Bryan, how's that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet? You have yet to answer this, Bryan. Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? Everyone with 1/3 brain knows that Josh Zerlan is a pedophile. I personally would never do business with an un-educated kid toucher like Josh Zerlan, but if you guys want to place a pre-order, it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is involved in child pornography and animal torture. That's on you if you buy from him. What's a matter big boy? can't bet me 20 coins on your own words? or does BFL only pay you once per scam at the end? Do you not have the mental capacity of a third grader to understand how I offered you a bet based on your own stupid, liar words from your stupid, liar mouth? Oh, i get it, you are going to play the big-shot, try and push internet kids around and get them to buy your fan boxes, then talk shit to anyone who puts up a legitimate argument. All my words are truth without proof to back them up, and all your words are false even though you do back them up with facts and links and proof.
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Not at all. The bumping is being done by a 3rd party company in California, and no BFL reps are over there. How could they expect to take pictures of the process or the chips? Are you under the assumption Bryan is rational and able to think above a 2nd grade level? That would be your first mistake if so... Bryan is emotionally and mentally at the stage of "The wold revolves around me and I will throw a fit when people don't do what I think they should do." (This is the same stage most 8 - 10 year old are at) Just check out his conspiracy theories about how there's a world wide cabal of people working to stymie his reddit posts. How's that investigation going Bryan, did you uncover anything yet? You have yet to answer Bryan. Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? I can only imagine what the harmonious home life of Josh Zerlan is like, I'm sure it involves mostly green tea, meditation, and Oprah's Master Class on DVR. Here is a talking point: Butterfly Labs refuses to take digital pictures of their ASIC chips, now in the USA. Josh Zerlan cites oddities like "BFL reps are not on site," as if the not 1 person in the bumping facility has a smartphone. How can customers accept the fact that there are 0 pictures of the super-mining chips, 1 week after they arrived at the facility? And this is why you are a failed poker player and not running a successful business. You are simply unable to understand simple concepts, which is a prerequisite to being able to function in every day society, something you clearly have not mastered yet. By the way Bryan, how's that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet? You have yet to answer this, Bryan. Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? Everyone with 1/3 brain knows that Josh Zerlan is a pedophile. I personally would never do business with an un-educated kid toucher like Josh Zerlan, but if you guys want to place a pre-order, it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is involved in child pornography and animal torture. That's on you if you buy from him. What's a matter big boy? can't bet me 20 coins on your own words? or does BFL only pay you once per scam at the end? Do you not have the mental capacity of a third grader to understand how I offered you a bet based on your own stupid, liar words from your stupid, liar mouth? Oh, i get it, you are going to play the big-shot, try and push internet kids around and get them to buy your fan boxes, then talk shit to anyone who puts up a legitimate argument. A pedophile, huh? You are pretty pathetic, I must say. With regards to betting on your own words, I will gladly bet you 20 BTC on my own words, immediately after you bet me 2000 BTC or even 100 BTC on YOUR own words, which you continually refuse to do. So, I would still like to know how that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet? You have yet to answer this, Bryan. Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? Are you so full of rage that you are now playing the pedophile card? Hitting a little too close to home for you, Bryan? This is just absolutely epic: All my words are truth without proof to back them up, and all your words are false even though you do back them up with facts and links and proof. You don't even see how ludicrous your statements are. I can't believe you even typed those words, you are CreativeX level of stupid, that is absolutely amazing. even though Inaba already quoted it, Theymos decided to delete my latest post and send me a PM. Lolz at the pro-BFL forum. I guess I'm just going to have to start my own with these guys at the helm here: This is excessive. Not at all. The bumping is being done by a 3rd party company in California, and no BFL reps are over there. How could they expect to take pictures of the process or the chips? Are you under the assumption Bryan is rational and able to think above a 2nd grade level? That would be your first mistake if so... Bryan is emotionally and mentally at the stage of "The wold revolves around me and I will throw a fit when people don't do what I think they should do." (This is the same stage most 8 - 10 year old are at) Just check out his conspiracy theories about how there's a world wide cabal of people working to stymie his reddit posts. How's that investigation going Bryan, did you uncover anything yet? You have yet to answer Bryan. Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? I can only imagine what the harmonious home life of Josh Zerlan is like, I'm sure it involves mostly green tea, meditation, and Oprah's Master Class on DVR. Here is a talking point: Butterfly Labs refuses to take digital pictures of their ASIC chips, now in the USA. Josh Zerlan cites oddities like "BFL reps are not on site," as if the not 1 person in the bumping facility has a smartphone. How can customers accept the fact that there are 0 pictures of the super-mining chips, 1 week after they arrived at the facility? And this is why you are a failed poker player and not running a successful business. You are simply unable to understand simple concepts, which is a prerequisite to being able to function in every day society, something you clearly have not mastered yet. By the way Bryan, how's that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet? You have yet to answer this, Bryan. Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? Everyone with 1/3 brain knows that Josh Zerlan is a pedophile. I personally would never do business with an un-educated kid toucher like Josh Zerlan, but if you guys want to place a pre-order, it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is involved in child pornography and animal torture. That's on you if you buy from him. What's a matter big boy? can't bet me 20 coins on your own words? or does BFL only pay you once per scam at the end? Do you not have the mental capacity of a third grader to understand how I offered you a bet based on your own stupid, liar words from your stupid, liar mouth? Oh, i get it, you are going to play the big-shot, try and push internet kids around and get them to buy your fan boxes, then talk shit to anyone who puts up a legitimate argument. All my words are truth without proof to back them up, and all your words are false even though you do back them up with facts and links and proof. |
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Not at all. The bumping is being done by a 3rd party company in California, and no BFL reps are over there. How could they expect to take pictures of the process or the chips? Are you under the assumption Bryan is rational and able to think above a 2nd grade level? That would be your first mistake if so... Bryan is emotionally and mentally at the stage of "The wold revolves around me and I will throw a fit when people don't do what I think they should do." (This is the same stage most 8 - 10 year old are at) Just check out his conspiracy theories about how there's a world wide cabal of people working to stymie his reddit posts. How's that investigation going Bryan, did you uncover anything yet? You have yet to answer Bryan. Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it? I can only imagine what the harmonious home life of Josh Zerlan is like, I'm sure it involves mostly green tea, meditation, and Oprah's Master Class on DVR. Here is a talking point: Butterfly Labs refuses to take digital pictures of their ASIC chips, now in the USA. Josh Zerlan cites oddities like "BFL reps are not on site," as if the not 1 person in the bumping facility has a smartphone. How can customers accept the fact that there are 0 pictures of the super-mining chips, 1 week after they arrived at the facility? |
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Understandable, what makes you think they will be shipping soon?
The updates they've given on the butterflylabs.com forum. They have the chips now, it's just a matter of bumping, packaging, and assembling the units before they can ship. Provided nothing goes wrong, it should be quite soon. If something goes wrong, it could be another few months (hence the 12 weeks bit). But I think there is a good chance they'll be shipping soon. don't you find it at least the slightest bit odd that they refuse to take pictures of the chips? the bumping? nothing? posts like this must disturb even the strongest BFL supporter: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1034-february-14th-2012-update-discussion-thread-8.html#post15426
Yes, but I am not posting the timetable because it may change. I am very pleased with it, though.
Very pleased with the timetable? the timetable is well and fucked up by this point, we can all agree on that. They also may ship sooner than expected, so that's good too. I just realized that Josh's response to me calling him out on general bullying was to try and bully harder: Awww did I hurt your widdle feewings again?
I don't think its gonna work  Seriously anyone down on the 3/20 3 customers rec'd bet? I'm ready to do 10 more coins. I have an escrow code from C. Did you get one too SysRun? let's book it! |
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500 chips, .5 free bitcoins up for grabs once again.
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Awww did I hurt your widdle feewings again?
Lets break your statement down for a second here, according to you, either one of two things is happening here:
A) I am a master manipulator and I use my wily skills to pacify all the BFL customers and "bully" them (and you) into doing what I want.
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B) I have no idea what I'm doing and somehow, against all odds, I've managed to get you, the famous Bryan Micon to "investigate" me and my company with your amazing deductive skills, thereby lending credibility and attention to BFL.
In case A) you are aware that I am manipulating you and yet you are still allowing yourself to be manipulated. That makes you a tool.
Or in case B) I'm a complete idiot (according to you) and you are somehow unable to expose my lies and scams in any way, shape or form. That makes you a tool.
You are allowing yourself to be willingly manipulated or you are unable to best a complete idiot with your massive intellect. Good show, old chap!
Yes Bryan, you are truly a master of logical deduction, upstanding citizenry and intelligence.
let's just go ahead and ignore those ramblings and see what you just posted here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post1540721 Feb 2013
The chips are still at the bumping facility. They are taking their time, much to our chagrin, to be sure we don't wreck one of the wafers with a failed bump. We are trying to determine if we need to physically go to the bumping facility and sit in someones office until it's done. We should hopefully have more information on that later tonight or tomorrow. If it turns out it would be efficacious, that's what we will do. However, perhaps my reputation will precede me and they will elect to get the job done and send the chips to the packaging facility instead of having me sitting in their office all day.
The good news is, we should be able to accelerate the second set of wafers as well as the bulk of the rest of the wafer run, allowing us to ship product en mass even sooner than we expected. This is still being negotiated, but things are looking good as far as that goes.
the levels of denial needed to get to this statement: allowing us to ship product en mass even sooner than we expected.
must be mountainous. To ship the product "en mass" even sooner than we expected would require a time machine. you do not deal in reality, Josh. |
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1) Thanking PuertoLibre for continuing to post your thoughts in a very hostile environment for those that believe as you do. 2) the "updates" and pictures are more spin - they are similar to the show at CES - no ASICs, no mining of any sort, no pictures of actual chips or the bumping process - and in fact no update on the bumping process at all. If fedex shipped those chips, while BFL holds millions and millions in pre-order monies, no one can get a picture of the chips? The here is the latest, hot off the presses: 21 Feb 2013
The chips are still at the bumping facility. They are taking their time, much to our chagrin, to be sure we don't wreck one of the wafers with a failed bump. We are trying to determine if we need to physically go to the bumping facility and sit in someones office until it's done. We should hopefully have more information on that later tonight or tomorrow. If it turns out it would be efficacious, that's what we will do. However, perhaps my reputation will precede me and they will elect to get the job done and send the chips to the packaging facility instead of having me sitting in their office all day.
The good news is, we should be able to accelerate the second set of wafers as well as the bulk of the rest of the wafer run, allowing us to ship product en mass even sooner than we expected. This is still being negotiated, but things are looking good as far as that goes.
he managed to somehow work in the following sentance: "allowing us to ship product en mass even sooner than we expected" I mean, how can anyone take this guy seriously right now? |
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Haha destroyed in this thread. Yes indeed... destroyed by you waffling on your own statements time and again!
This is the delusion you have created for yourself. You think you are "winning" by driving traffic to BFL, back peddling time and again on everything you say, and turning down "sure money" based on your own statements. Yep, I sure am losing!
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Glad I went with Avalon. Wow, what a coincidence, so am I! This, my friends, is your COO of BFL, Josh Zerlan. Customer relations was never his strong suit. The traditional corporate environment never worked for him. Nevermind the bumping facility or the millions is pre-orders: this man has an airplane. |
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I feel like I'm the only BFL who has some sympathy for Josh. He's just the messenger No he isnt. He is COO. And he better start acting like one rather than acting as a messenger/apologist. I wont hold him personally accountable for all the previous missed deadlines before he got hired, but he is responsible for making and meeting them now. And Jody is the General Manager. Unfortunately, in small organisations job titles often bear little resemblance to actual areas of competence or responsibility. Josh is clearly not the project leader and he appears to be getting much of his information second-hand. Jody's last blog post was ridiculous coming from a General Manager. There needs to be one person giving updates and that person needs to be someone who actually knows what the fuck is going on rather than someone who's been cast in the role of community liaison because they run a mining pool and can "relate" to miners. If Josh is going to be given that role, then the project lead needs to be giving him regular, accurate information about where things are at rather than Josh always chasing information. I don't get the impression that Josh is the one setting deadlines at all. My impression is that he makes extrapolations based on the information given to him by others and has little direct control over anything. It's quite odd given that the original plan was for Josh to personally walk the chips through all the remaining steps once they left the fab, but perhaps that plan was more something which Josh hoped to do rather than something which was actually approved. I'm not sure how you can oversee a technical project if you don't know - for instance - that blank alignment wafers even exist and that not having one will slow down the bumping process. My perception is that it's easy for the people who are actually responsible to hide behind Josh and let him take the blame for any inaccurate information given to the community because they refuse to make official updates on the BFL website themselves. I think at this point we have to at least entertain the idea that Josh's task at BFL is to type things into the computer to calm what must be hordes of angry customers having watched 2 different ASIC makers come online and the network hash rate spiking. months of delays, the silence since 2/14, and the lack of pictures is eyebrow-raising at the very least at this point. Your funny Micon  If your as much a gambler as you say you are,you should see what most of see in these ASIC's coming from BFL(or anyone for that fact). I myself am not a "gambler",I don't like card games or any of the "casino" games either.....too much risk IMO. So....seeing your attitude about BFL is quite perplexing to me  IMO if you have a BFL pre-order, or really any ASIC order for that matter, you are absolutely gambling. It may not be on the turn of a card, but in fact on the legitimacy of the business you have ordered from. At this stage ASICminer is pretty impressive but won't be commercially available it doesn't look like, and Avalon has not shipped enough units to say "look at where you can buy ASIC mining from," so I'm still doing as you are, waiting and watching. |
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I feel like I'm the only BFL who has some sympathy for Josh. He's just the messenger No he isnt. He is COO. And he better start acting like one rather than acting as a messenger/apologist. I wont hold him personally accountable for all the previous missed deadlines before he got hired, but he is responsible for making and meeting them now. And Jody is the General Manager. Unfortunately, in small organisations job titles often bear little resemblance to actual areas of competence or responsibility. Josh is clearly not the project leader and he appears to be getting much of his information second-hand. Jody's last blog post was ridiculous coming from a General Manager. There needs to be one person giving updates and that person needs to be someone who actually knows what the fuck is going on rather than someone who's been cast in the role of community liaison because they run a mining pool and can "relate" to miners. If Josh is going to be given that role, then the project lead needs to be giving him regular, accurate information about where things are at rather than Josh always chasing information. I don't get the impression that Josh is the one setting deadlines at all. My impression is that he makes extrapolations based on the information given to him by others and has little direct control over anything. It's quite odd given that the original plan was for Josh to personally walk the chips through all the remaining steps once they left the fab, but perhaps that plan was more something which Josh hoped to do rather than something which was actually approved. I'm not sure how you can oversee a technical project if you don't know - for instance - that blank alignment wafers even exist and that not having one will slow down the bumping process. My perception is that it's easy for the people who are actually responsible to hide behind Josh and let him take the blame for any inaccurate information given to the community because they refuse to make official updates on the BFL website themselves. I think at this point we have to at least entertain the idea that Josh's task at BFL is to type things into the computer to calm what must be hordes of angry customers having watched 2 different ASIC makers come online and the network hash rate spiking. months of delays, the silence since 2/14, and the lack of pictures is eyebrow-raising at the very least at this point. |
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Instead of lashing out at Bryan for lashing out at you, and back and forth, or however this whole thing is going, prove him wrong by producing evidence to the contrary of his scammer accusation. I still see none of this.
I'm sorry, then you are blind. There are mountains of evidence everywhere, and as I said, anyone with even a glimmer of intelligence has seen it. I'm not lashing out at Bryan, I am poking fun at him because he's so ridiculous. Watching him flail about trying to dodge the simple truth that his entire premise is false, has been demonstrated to be false and is beyond ludicrous is an entertaining past time. You are obviously new here, so it's forgivable that you are unaware that I don't tolerate stupidity and I will be happy to point it out to you directly. In this case, I am enjoy pointing out how completely idiotic Bryan is, and that's about it. As I said, it's pointless to argue with someone who is not able to grasp reality or understand any of the evidence that is presented to him. notice the levels of deflection here: Zerlan is trying to focus the argument on such minutiae as the fact that I typed $25M or $10M in preorders. This is not minutiae Bryan, this is demonstrating the fact that you can't even get your numbers straight. You don't know what you are talking about, so you just throw out random numbers, and you make them sensational so that people will react. It's anything but minutiae. You think you are this clever promoter, but there's a reason your entire life is a failure. Donkdown podcast? Failure. Poker carreer? Failure. Family? Failure (I'm going to divorce my wife and move to Las Vegas! Good work on that, man.), Hygiene? Failure. Skewer Inaba? Failure. (I mean, you do realize that the more you protest about how I called you an idiot in real life, in front of real people, the more people come to check out BFL, right? You're almost as good as CreativeX when it comes to driving traffic and interest.) Just to curve back some of your bent truths in this latest diatribe in one of my betting threads vs. your company MISSING SHIPPING DATES because THAT'S SOMETHING WITH AN END DATE TO SETTLE A BET, so we don't bet on an open-ended vague statement like "BFL is a giant scam and employees a buffoon named Josh Zerlan" which very well may be true but has no formal end, thus no one would know when to settle. Think about this - what if ASIC mining becomes the norm, in 3 years there are 10 suppliers, BFL eventually buys one of them and sends the pre-orders. I suppose from now until then it's up to the individual to determine when BFL is a scam. Awww, poor little Bryan, caught in a corner again and goes off raging about how there's NO END DATE! !!! OH NOES! I won't bet because there's no end date... sadly, I gave him an end date, offered to bet him 2000 BTC, or even 100 BTC which he declined. He wants an "end date" of a couple weeks on the statement that "BFL IS A SCAM!" See the problem here is, Bryan makes a claim (BFL is a scam, according to him), but then refuses to back it up. That's the bottom line. I am offering him $60,000 at current BTC rates IN ESCROW that if BFL does not ship an ASIC this year. Hell, I'd probably even offer him that bet for March if he'd take me up on it, but we both know he won't put up more than a few token BTC. He does these little tiny bets because it's worth the attention he gets, but he's unwilling to risk any substantial amount of money on his claim that he is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE is true. This is why you know what he says is a lie and he's just a pathetic little internet attention whore. And before you go on saying how "Maybe 100 BTC" is a lot for little Bryan, keep in mind this is a man who claims to be a professional poker player who plays in the WSOP, so a $60,000 wager (or even a $3000 wager, which was offered as well) is not out of the realm of reason for a professional WSOP poker player. Although, given the fact that his poker career is as much of a joke as the reset of him, I suppose it's not surprising. this giant wall of text and no mention of bumping facility or the millions you are holding. only more deflection. also remember, there is still a 20 coin bet on the table for you to meet your own timeline that you are not taking. Josh Zerlan the talker, not the bettor. I decline your poor-termed 2000 coin wager. You decline my 20 coin wager based on your words. Everyone can see you getting destroyed in this thread Josh, pack it up, go write some more fiction on the BFL forums. |
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From what I hear their about to test 40 chips. So my question is this. What was ready to ship in November to Dec?
 Josh will NOT be answering that question. His next response will likely center on me and not pertain to BFL or the millions they are holding in pre-order monies or if they spent pre-order monies on R&D because they have no product yet. these types of things will NOT be discussed by Josh. now ship pre-order. |
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See, the problem is you can't have a rational discussion with inherently irrational people. Bryan Micon has shown himself to be irrational, illogical and just a plain liar and scammer. He's done it in his past, he's doing it now. There is no point in trying to hold an adult conversation with a child like Bryan Micon. Just watch his video and you can see how his brain does not quite function properly. He babbles on about e-cigarettes, spews anti-semetic jokes and what you don't see on the video is his crazed reactions to the people around him.
The bottom line is, I've tried to point out the flaws in his arguments, but he is so blinded by his hurt feelings that he's unable to understand that most people view him as a dolt and that no one but seemingly equally deluded people take him seriously. If you choose not to believe my words, use your brain and look at his arguments:
He first claimed that BFL took in 25 million in pre-orders. This was a number he was sure of. Now he's claiming 10 million. In either case, he has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, yet he makes these claims like he does.
He claims that BFL is a scam and will run off with everyones money. There is no evidence to back this up and there is, in fact, mountains of evidence to the contrary. He has made this claim repeatedly, but now, with more and more evidence piling up against Bryan he starts to waffle and then says "Oh well, they won't ship before X date." When pressed on the issue, he refuses any bet that supports his statements and instead puts hedging and caveats in any bet so that he has a chance of winning if BFL is delayed. If he actually believed BFL was a scam, as he claims, then there would be no need to put caveats and hedging in his bets. This in and of itself should be a giant red flag that Bryan is unbalanced and unable to grasp reality.
His claims that I am an internet bully are laughable. What the hell is an internet bully? How exactly do I bully someone over the internet? This is a deranged individuals reaction to someone pointing out what an idiot he is. As for a bully in real life, I wasn't aware I assaulted Bryan and if I did, why did he not call the police? Another lie perpetrated by Bryan.
He claims there is some sort of conspiracy not only on Bitcointalk, but on Reddit (and elsewhere?) against him. This is the very definition of an unbalanced individual... the claim that there is somehow a cabal of individuals all over the world out to get some insignificant, irrelevant little internet troll that nobody cares about. It is laughable that the Bitcointalk staff would do anything for me or for BFL that's "special" because we are BFL. We don't pay them, we don't have a deal with them, we don't have any special arrangements of any sort and any time I have approached Theymos et al with regards to some unusual actions, I've been turned down quite handily. The claim that we somehow manipulate Reddit is even more ludicrous. Yes indeed, the conspiracy against Bryan Micon surely runs deep! Not...
So no, there is no point in trying to rationally discuss anything with Bryan. He's incapable of it at this point - he is sad and scared that I told him in front of a bunch of people that he's basically an idiot. He's angry over it and he's lashing out like a little child, so blinded by his embarrassment and rage that he can't understand why no one takes him seriously and why I laugh at him when he throws his little internet tantrum. After seeing the homophobic, neo-nazi, white trash personality that Bryan Micon has exhibited on numerous occasions, it's impossible to take him seriously.
I mean you are like a cartoon character, but the show is about deflection and wreaks of denial and frankly sounds like you are on some sort of drugs, and I'm not talking about weed. I would not go flying with you, that is for sure. Just to curve back some of your bent truths in this latest diatribe in one of my betting threads vs. your company MISSING SHIPPING DATES because THAT'S SOMETHING WITH AN END DATE TO SETTLE A BET, so we don't bet on an open-ended vague statement like "BFL is a giant scam and employees a buffoon named Josh Zerlan" which very well may be true but has no formal end, thus no one would know when to settle. Think about this - what if ASIC mining becomes the norm, in 3 years there are 10 suppliers, BFL eventually buys one of them and sends the pre-orders. I suppose from now until then it's up to the individual to determine when BFL is a scam. notice the levels of deflection here: Zerlan is trying to focus the argument on such minutiae as the fact that I typed $25M or $10M in preorders. What if it were only $1M in pre-orders? what does this have to do with anything? it is one of the phrases that Josh Zerlan types over and over as if he is making it true. He uses the phrases "anyone with a brain" and "his claims are laughable" when clearly there are users in this thread and many others that feel similar. He keeps repeating the same things, but no facts to back them up and incoherent off-topic responses when the discussion gets focused. BFL's last "bumping facility" update was over a week ago. No pictures. Your company is holding millions of btc community money. tell me more about how I'm unbalanced or a neo-nazi. You are digging a gigantic hole, everyone can read it plainly. |
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I assume you are talking about the "Troll Museum" yes, the writing was on the wall when they decided to manipulate that thread so it appears there are 100k+ views on their announcements with no negative uproar. Very, very embarrassing decision by the forum management. |
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I watch the culture of BFL-influenced mods censoring anti-BFL postings I was very surprised to experience this myself. One of the mods is really a disgrace for this forum! I assume you are talking about Gmaxwell, he was the one that msg'd me asking me not to post negative BFL information in the Hardware --> Custom forums. It is pretty clear they did a good job over the months sanitizing those BFL threads so it was always a "go BFL!" attitude. Quite a shame. The main bitcoin forum should vigilantly fight censorship of issues like BFL where millions of btc community monies are tied up. |
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I'm not as eloquent as most of you here, but I must respond...
I just read through the entire post, and I am thoroughly entertained, as well as disgusted. Capslock's post says it very well, and maybe I'm missing something here, but how exactly is it "painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain that BFL is no scam"? I would really like a direct answer to this. I have not seen one shred of evidence, much less proof, that BFL's promise of ASIC's is not a scam and/or a failed project, and furthermore, the atrocious and childish behavior of the COO of BFL doesn't exactly help instill confidence in the legitimacy of the company at this point in time. One can easily defend themself and company without name calling, cussing, etc.
Question. Reading through this thread, I didn't at any point read a post from Micon saying that BFL is an outright scam. Did I miss this as well? It seems to me that the bets he is taking are more of a calling-them-on-bullshit-timeframe kind of thing, with a strong hint of looks-like-they-tried-and-probably-failed, which to me seems entirely legitimate considering the fact that BFL has collected what seems to be millions of dollars in pre-orders, while producing nothing more than excuse after excuse. How is Micon a scammer? How is he a liar?
Please feel free to correct me on any of this as I'm sure I do not have all the facts.
Jay-Z; nut up, apologize to your customers, and tell them BFL fucked up rather than slinging insults, quarters and exuses at the non-believers... or, produce. It seems an apology for the painfully long wait is already in order. If BFL isnt a scam and/or failed project, you owe it to your customers, and their massive amount of lost currency by way of BTC price hikes, lost mining time, etc. to prove that you are legitimate.
B-Mics; I don't have much to scold you for, it seems you have kept a relatively cool head in spite of all the shit that has been thrown your way, but things like joshzerlan.com are unnecessary, and beneath you. It seems a bit of a cheap shot, with high potential for further escalation. If Josh and BFL are scamming the community, it will eventually become apparent, and hopefully these people will go to jail, and/or be sued for everything.
ok, phew, just had to get it out, and now, happy betting you jive mothas!
Criticism for JoshZerlan.com accepted & noted. I can explain a little more why I responded as such: Nevermind the fact that I think Josh Zerlan works for a scammer company, this guy is a textbook bully. He's an internet bully and a real-life bully. He tried to intimidate me personally by making an aggressive show to deflect my CES recordings of his hardware. I wanted to show him that not only will his bully-deflection tactics not work, but I will use them directly against him to amplify my point and draw more attention to the fact they have not shipped and showed up to CES empty handed. Maybe this is not warranted, maybe this is childish, but I watch the culture of BFL-influenced mods censoring anti-BFL postings, I watch Josh Zerlan run around these forums talking mad shit to all skeptics in a completely unprofessional and abusive manner, all while holding USD millions in pre-orders and gambling it on R&D to create the product they promised. Wasn't going to let him push this story to the side once again. Right or wrong, I choose to fight this bully with a fact-based video account of his own actions and his own words hosted on a domain of his first & last name. Translation: I am butthurt because the big, bad, mean Josh scared me so I'm going to lash out. I don't understand why people think I'm an idiot! It must be a conspiracy! Somebody call the waaaambulance. so, how did the bumping go? or are you more concerned with my latest 10 coin wager against your company than the millions in delayed product you owe your customers? yikes... was gonna link to your last update, from 2/14, more than 1 week ago, but the BFL website is entirely down. Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'Zend_Http_Client_Adapter_Exception' with message 'Unable to Connect to ssl://forums.butterflylabs.com:443. Error #0: ' in /var/web/bflweb/library/Zend/Http/Client/Adapter/Socket.php:235 Stack trace: #0 /var/web/bflweb/library/Zend/Http/Client.php(973): Zend_Http_Client_Adapter_Socket->connect('forums.butterfl...', 443, true) #1 /var/web/bflweb/library/Zend/Feed/Reader.php(252): Zend_Http_Client->request('GET') #2 /var/web/bflweb/application/Bootstrap.php(70): Zend_Feed_Reader::import(' https://forums....') #3 /var/web/bflweb/library/Zend/Application/Bootstrap/BootstrapAbstract.php(667): Bootstrap->_initFeeds() #4 /var/web/bflweb/library/Zend/Application/Bootstrap/BootstrapAbstract.php(620): Zend_Application_Bootstrap_BootstrapAbstract->_executeResource('feeds') #5 /var/web/bflweb/library/Zend/Application/Bootstrap/BootstrapAbstract.php(584): Zend_Application_Bootstrap_BootstrapAbstract->_bootstrap(NULL) #6 /var/web/bflweb/library/Zend/Application.php(355): Zend_Application_Bootstrap_Bootstr in /var/web/bflweb/library/Zend/Http/Client/Adapter/Socket.php on line 235 |
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Question. Reading through this thread, I didn't at any point read a post from Micon saying that BFL is an outright scam. Did I miss this as well? It seems to me that the bets he is taking are more of a calling-them-on-bullshit-timeframe kind of thing, with a strong hint of looks-like-they-tried-and-probably-failed, which to me seems entirely legitimate considering the fact that BFL has collected what seems to be millions of dollars in pre-orders, while producing nothing more than excuse after excuse. How is Micon a scammer? How is he a liar?
Dude, Micon has his own dedicated thread to the fact that he considers BFL a scam. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136392.01) It is intentionally named "Scammer Investigation Thread" and I've made it pretty clear I believe BFL to be a scam and bet almost 100 coins on that. 2) I have never said "BFL is a scam, and here is concrete proof that I have" - I have only said that I think they are a scammer, have listed many data points as to why I feel that way, and the summation of which is left to each individual human to decide for themselves. For me, there is is enough info to make me want to bet they will keep missing shipping dates. Betting "That they won't ship by the end of 2013" is ridiculous for many reasons, first and foremost because the market currently dictates a ~ 1 month wager at even money. Secondly you could take the millions in pre-order money, if BFL hasn't squandered it, and start R&D today on 2/21 and have a working ASIC in 10 months if you kidnap Yifu or the ASICminer guys. I will bet 10 coins that this statement is false:
"Butterfly Labs will deliver at least 3 working ASIC devices to customers by 3/20/2013, confirmed via pictures that are mining at an efficiency greater than 350 Mhash/Joule"
If anyone is a serious believer in BFL & their ability to deliver 3+ units 1 month from now and wants to bet on it, I will bet the other side.
We can use C's escrow tool, idk if we even need C anymore - just a trusted escrow
I'll take that bet Micon. Get it set up and let me know. If you're up for it we can take that bet 5 times (50 BTC total) Either way, good luck to you! Cool, let's choose an escrow. Do you have C's "btc-address" tool? I feel a little bit bad bugging Cassius for more envib and enviA codes, but i'm going to do it anyway. If there is a relatively neutral, trusted person reading this who is also familiar with C's btc-address escrow functionality holler at me. For now, another PM to Mike. |
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