3) Fastest Finger Freeroll 2,000 chip edition (2 free bitcoins) VERY VERY SOON:
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I might be wrong, but it seems these codes were redeemed before you even posted them here. They were also posted on the Twitter account. totally blew it. Sorry guys, copy-pasted the same 3 codes to twitter and to here.... DOH! [also deleted 3 codes randomly, but hey, they don't cost anything] oh, and the timestamps - they are in server time, aka ET, and I am on the west coast, aka PT. I think they always look like they are ~3 hrs old? |
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In response to this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81542.0 by PatrickHarnett which is was stickied in the "Long-term offers" section, a misnamed Ponzi-corner of this forum which contains nothing but scams. Well I was right about BCST and I'm going to be right about all these too. Here are a bunch of Ponzi Schemes, all are poorly executed and all follow the standard Ponzi 101 model of having a totally obscure business plan with a totally outrageous interest rate. I will be making spreadsheets for each scam showing why they cannot pay the outrageous rates. Ponzi Schemes & Similar ScamsHonorable Mention:Dank and his various, odd scams that even the guys that got rolled by Pirate wouldn't invest in remember all these guy!?? let's not let it happen again - fight the "deposit takers" at every measure! |
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So, at this juncture I've gotten my invite, and generated a payment invitation (prescript einvp).
I would send this to Micon, along with the address for the bet. I would ensure that casacius does not have this payment invitation. Once the funds are there, they can be reclaimed with any two of three parties between myself, Micon and Casascius.
indeed my good man. I have confirmed via PM that we are generating the same address with Casascius' very cool "btc-address" that amongst many other things that I don't understand is a very cool escrow system. IMO needs to be re-branded. "Casascius' Escrow Tools & Other public key / private key BTC shenanigans" is the best name IMO. Ready to fire 25 coins at this when you are MrTeal. Good luck and once again thanks for handling the betting process like a gentleman. I think this thread, regardless of outcome, will serve as a nice example of how the betting process with BTC can work. This thread also has a good example of how not to conduct yourself when wagering. 1BXEoc3tKs9APcZVEi5CLUDPgt3Xsw95gm is the address MrTeal, it is no problem to post it publicly, if all this bicoin and SHA256 is sound, there is no relation or any reason to fear posting this BTC address. In fact, it shows ppl publicly when each of us hit the hash and IMO makes these types of bets very, very cool when done in bitcoin. |
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Invites sent to both MrTeal and micon via e-mail.
PGP not needed, but useful if you wanted me to PM you the code via the forum instead of e-mailing it. This prevents mods from having the power to exercise escrow agent authority and force an outcome, a power they probably don't really want in the first place.
The more I do this, the more I feel I should offer some web service, where for 0.1 BTC, I automatically issue a pair of escrow invitation codes... PGP-encrypted and/or e-mailed to the parties of your choice. They could pre-select some other parties to be prospective dispute resolution agents. This would allow people to engage in do-it-yourself escrow transactions all day long, and then I (or others) could charge fees for dispute resolution services, but only if there was a dispute... no dispute, no fee (other than the 0.1 BTC).
Of course, I have already released a program to do this for free... the difference being that for 0.1 BTC, you'd have the assurance that only a third party has both of the escrow codes, and is willing and able to make sure they go to a properly selected arbitration provider when necessary.
At the current price of BTC I would pay .1 every time and love the service and piece of mind it gives. thanks again for doing this for us gamblers. I know we also help you test this new software, but I also know you give away said software for free, just like it should be, to directly make other humans more happy. I appreciate that very much, and btc bettors for years to come will enjoy your system. Ty for being awesome Mike. |
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1) tytytyty for all feedback.
2) I appreciate the requests for "Mpex" or other btc-stock exchange listings. I do not think that is the way SwC is going to go. I understand the ones that have suggested it (there have been many suggesting to me personally) are very excited about Seals and want to see us grow.
3) Fastest Finger Freeroll 2,000 chip edition (2 free bitcoins) VERY VERY SOON:
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OK Freemoney keep us updated.
What are you going to do for people on tables? How soon to expect refunds?? Let us know thanks.
we have 1.5+ yr history of always being fair, open, honest and doing the right thing. This case will be no exception. |
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Also willing to bet BFL will not ship by 3/15 (ides of March) Sgt Spike If anyone has offers, such as "hey Micon, i'll bet you my 50 coins vs. your 25 coins that BFL ships at least 5 customers 350 Mhash/Joule+ ASIC devices pictured, tested, and working by the end of March" go ahead and throw them out here. Don't let trolls in this thread deter you from offering something. All bets made so far have been very Gentleman-like between the bettors. Contrary to some early trolls, there is nothing wrong with putting something out there and having the other side say no. Also, nothing wrong with quick negotiation of terms so both sides are happy with the bet (until it settles  so if anyone wants some near-term BFL will ship action, I'm open to suggestions and very much want to take the "BFL won't ship in near-term" side. Edit: I read that backwards. Changes highlighted Hell, I'll take you up on that if it's a serious offer. I will bet my 25 BTC against your 50BTC 25BTC against your 25BTC that five different customers will have posted photographs and hashing results from working BFL ASIC units on Bitcointalk before the 1st of April (00:00 UTC), 2013. The devices must reach 350MH/J as per SgtSpike's bet. I will throw in the stipulation that if 5+ people post pictures and hashing stats of working devices but only one posts the more difficult to measure procedure from SgtSpike's bet (clamp meter on the DC input), that would be sufficient. If that is not acceptable, I would suggest substituting 350MH/s+ on the AC input as measured by a Kill-A-Watt meter as an acceptable standard, as it is actually more difficult to achieve. Interested? Sorry, this real-bet post got lost in the Zerlan troll noise on my radar. I am interested in this bet, and I think we will come to terms very quickly and have an escrow'd block-chain visible wager in a few hours. I will Pm Cassiusus to generate us 2 invite codes. I'm fine with your efficiency measurement, for the date why don't we meet in the middle at end-of-business on March 22nd? Hmm... I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that. I thought pulling it forward to before April 1st from the July 1st of the previous bet (also, my mistake it was mrb, not SgtSpike) was already significant enough. Even if BFL isn't a scam and their chips do come back working I think it's a tossup whether anyone gets a unit by the middle of March. There's already a lot of risk from the fact they very well could be a scam, or even if they're not the very real chance that their kludge of trying to modify their existing QFN designed ASIC to be a flipchip midway through the design cycle might fail and they need to do a respin and no one sees anything for another 3 months. I don't want to cut it so tight that tiny things like we didn't make it to the post office tonight or we forgot to order the right boxes push it back a week and I lose based on that, at least not for a 1:1 bet. Especially not when the thrust of the bet is are the BFL ASICs real or not. I'll have to read up a little more on the cassacius process since I've only done a cursory read through on it, but it seems like a good way to do escrow on the surface so I'm all for that. Mr Teal you drive a hard bargain and I respect you for that. April 1st it is. Read up on C's escrow system, I have already PM'd him asking for 2 invite codes. When you are comfortable with the escrow system & the terms of the wager please post here and we'll move forward, generate the address, and both fire 25 coins into it. |
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Also willing to bet BFL will not ship by 3/15 (ides of March) Sgt Spike If anyone has offers, such as "hey Micon, i'll bet you my 50 coins vs. your 25 coins that BFL ships at least 5 customers 350 Mhash/Joule+ ASIC devices pictured, tested, and working by the end of March" go ahead and throw them out here. Don't let trolls in this thread deter you from offering something. All bets made so far have been very Gentleman-like between the bettors. Contrary to some early trolls, there is nothing wrong with putting something out there and having the other side say no. Also, nothing wrong with quick negotiation of terms so both sides are happy with the bet (until it settles so if anyone wants some near-term BFL will ship action, I'm open to suggestions and very much want to take the "BFL won't ship in near-term" side. Edit: I read that backwards. Changes highlighted Hell, I'll take you up on that if it's a serious offer. I will bet my 25 BTC against your 50BTC 25BTC against your 25BTC that five different customers will have posted photographs and hashing results from working BFL ASIC units on Bitcointalk before the 1st of April (00:00 UTC), 2013. The devices must reach 350MH/J as per SgtSpike's bet. I will throw in the stipulation that if 5+ people post pictures and hashing stats of working devices but only one posts the more difficult to measure procedure from SgtSpike's bet (clamp meter on the DC input), that would be sufficient. If that is not acceptable, I would suggest substituting 350MH/s+ on the AC input as measured by a Kill-A-Watt meter as an acceptable standard, as it is actually more difficult to achieve. Interested? Sorry, this real-bet post got lost in the Zerlan troll noise on my radar. I am interested in this bet, and I think we will come to terms very quickly and have an escrow'd block-chain visible wager in a few hours. I will Pm Cassiusus to generate us 2 invite codes. I'm fine with your efficiency measurement, for the date why don't we meet in the middle at end-of-business on March 22nd? |
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Sure, if you can prove you control 1 million BTC, I will wager it with you. Are you offering to bet BTC that you cannot possibly have? No, I am using it to make a point. I am willing to wager coins that I control. You are not, so your analogy is bullshit. I control at least 20 coins. I'm willing to bet you that you can't deliver 5 machines that meet your specs by 3/15/2013. Now who is backing down? |
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Sure, if you can prove you control 1 million BTC, I will wager it with you. Are you offering to bet BTC that you cannot possibly have? No, I am using it to make a point. I am willing to wager coins that I control. You are not, so your analogy is bullshit. 1) Josh Zerlan is unwilling to wager me an escrowed 20 coins that BFL will ship by 3/15 and meet 350Mhash+ per Joule, that's for sure 2) Being that Josh Zerlan is not being rational or reasonable, I cannot see any reason to continue the discussion of a possible wager. It's pretty clear kayrice is trying to better illustrate this point. 3) Imagine the denial needed to not wager 20 coins that I'm offering - Josh Zerlan refuses to bet that his own words are true. I don't need to scream "Scammer" - I've already made it very clear I think BFL and Josh Zerlan work for evil - time will prove me right, and I will collect 120 coins when I'm right. I offer to bet 20 more, Josh flatly refuses. The writing is on the wall. |
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There are no vastly different terms, Bryan. They are not vague. You are claiming BFL is a scam. This means that BFL will not provide a working ASIC now or in the future, according to you. I am calling your bluff. You, Bryan Micon, are lying about BFL being a scam, plain and simple. You continue to hem and haw and whine and cry about the amount of the bet. You are doing this because you know you are going to lose the bet, yet you are still maintaining the lie that BFL is a scam. That makes you a liar. I am willing to escrow 2000 BTC for this bet. You are not. You, Brian Micon, are making a claim that you are not willing to back up. I am making a claim that I am willing to back up. Bryan Micon is a liar. Brian Micon is a scammer. End of story. We are done here, unless you accept the bet. Otherwise, you, Bryan Micon, are just one more poor, little attention starved white trash, neo-nazi, homophobic whacko. Good luck with that. 3) JoshZerlan.com for all your Josh Zerlan-facing needs. Get trolled the right way bucko - with google results for your first and last name. At least you admit you are just trolling and not actually telling the truth or doing anything honest or real. Good on you for coming clean about what you're actually doing. I love how the site you registered in my name contains your one lonely pathetic video of you ranting for 13 minutes about e-cigarettes. That is literally everything you've hung your hat on, heh. Sad and pathetic is what comes to mind. you are are just 1 hot mess kiddo. Don't think I can do anything more for you. Enjoy telling your tall tale to anyone who believes you, i.e. only those with a pre-order. I'm sure you are on the phone all day with the bumping facility. I'm sure you will have a good reason to never post pix. You are pathetic, and these latest posts are solid proof. For those of you who aren't familiar with Bryan Micon the famous professional poker player, let me translate the above for you: "Shit, he just called my bluff and there's no way I'm going to plunk down 2000 BTC to continue this charade about BFL being a scam. I will try to deflect the fact I just got called out and failed by talking about the chip bumping as if he is doing it himself and is wasting time arguing with me." Bryan... you've never been able to do anything for me, where does this "more" come from? The day I need anything from a homophobic anti-semite such as yourself is the day I will jump off a bridge. for those of you that live in the real world, I offered this man a 20-coin escrow'd wager and he has refused. I personally have bet 60 coins on BFL's failure, all escrowed & in this thread. |
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Any comment on my bet proposal, 1:1 on units in customer's hands by the end of March and 350+MH/J?
you want to wager that BFL will ship by end of march? or will not? |
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There are no vastly different terms, Bryan. They are not vague. You are claiming BFL is a scam. This means that BFL will not provide a working ASIC now or in the future, according to you. I am calling your bluff. You, Bryan Micon, are lying about BFL being a scam, plain and simple. You continue to hem and haw and whine and cry about the amount of the bet. You are doing this because you know you are going to lose the bet, yet you are still maintaining the lie that BFL is a scam. That makes you a liar. I am willing to escrow 2000 BTC for this bet. You are not. You, Brian Micon, are making a claim that you are not willing to back up. I am making a claim that I am willing to back up. Bryan Micon is a liar. Brian Micon is a scammer. End of story. We are done here, unless you accept the bet. Otherwise, you, Bryan Micon, are just one more poor, little attention starved white trash, neo-nazi, homophobic whacko. Good luck with that. 3) JoshZerlan.com for all your Josh Zerlan-facing needs. Get trolled the right way bucko - with google results for your first and last name. At least you admit you are just trolling and not actually telling the truth or doing anything honest or real. Good on you for coming clean about what you're actually doing. I love how the site you registered in my name contains your one lonely pathetic video of you ranting for 13 minutes about e-cigarettes. That is literally everything you've hung your hat on, heh. Sad and pathetic is what comes to mind. you are are just 1 hot mess kiddo. Don't think I can do anything more for you. Enjoy telling your tall tale to anyone who believes you, i.e. only those with a pre-order. I'm sure you are on the phone all day with the bumping facility. I'm sure you will have a good reason to never post pix. You are pathetic, and these latest posts are solid proof. |
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I am here to bet Bryan, you are not.
Here's the bet: 2000 BTC. Escrowed. BFL will ship a working ASIC to at least 5 customers is 2013.
1) I am willing to bet up to 20 coins right now with you. Escrow-ed of course, because your demeanor is that of an angry child, I certainly would never trust you with the quarter you gave me. your totally irrational response "bet 100x as much as you suggested at vague and vastly different terms or you are a scammer" is as transparent as it is desperate. Your denial is palpable, and it's your hubris that will destroy you in both your business and personal life. I pity you more than anything. 2) aren't you supposed to be bumping something other than my betting threads? 3) JoshZerlan.com for all your Josh Zerlan-facing needs. Get trolled the right way bucko - with google results for your first and last name. |
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Even if he is proven wrong on this one (and I think he will be, eventually), his batting record will still be roughly 10x better than most regular posters here who gave Micon the same shit when he warned them about pirate, hasking, mybitcointrade, why-I-love-patrick-harnett and half a dozen other once respected members, that are now all known scammers.
well watch out btc community, we have one with his eyes open. Puppet I respect your difference of opinion on this matter, and even more so I respect your clear thought on the matter even if you believe BFL to be completely legitimate. I have a feeling when this one goes boom, it will be very hard to deny my accusations in the future. The more and more Josh trolls me, the more I start to uncover. This looks pretty shady: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89902.0and I can't get over the fact that when I want to post in a BFL-thread about my scam accusations, a mod (likely Gmaxwell) swiftly comes in and deletes my comments. When Josh Zerlan wants to troll up my betting thread again, it's game on. pretty weak Btctalk mods.. pretty weak... gonna force me to spin up another machine and get my man Eric on building out a new bitcoin forum. The BFL-friendly censorship is not cool. |
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Here are my terms: 2000 BTC. Escrowed. BFL will ship a working ASIC to at least 5 customers is 2013.
I can't make it any simpler for you. Since you are apparently not taking me up on the bet, Brian Micon is hereby confirmed to be a liar and a scammer by claiming that BFL is a scam with no evidence, no proof and the fact that you are unwilling to back your statements by accepting the bet. Your little caveats and escape hatches mean nothing to me, Bryan. You have proven yourself to be a liar repeatedly. Show me I am wrong by taking the bet.
This is official: Brian Micon is a liar and a scammer. This is proven (unlike Bryan's claims) by the fact that he is unwilling to bet on his unfounded, unproven position without introducing a number of escape clauses and caveats. I will retract this statement when he escrows 2000 BTC for the bet.
ok, it's pretty clear you didn't come here to bet, only to troll. JoshZerlan.com for more info on this extremely delusional human. |
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No, you were offered a 1000 BTC bet and you turned it down. I will offer you the same bet:
2000 BTC that BFL will ship a working ASIC to 5 customers (or more) in 2013. Simple and to the point. You claim BFL is a scam, ergo according to you BFL will not ship a working ASIC ever (since that is the very definition of a scam). If you refuse to take this bet, then you are liar and a scammer, plain and simple.
All these little caveats and "excepts" are bullshit CYA on your part. You claim BFL is a scam, so put up or shut up. 2000 BTC, escrowed. That's the challenge. Fail to meet the challenge and you are a liar and attention seeking whore and nothing more. You are a professional poker player. You claim this is a sure thing, so a 2000 BTC bet is nothing for you to make, since you're holding the nuts, or at least think you are.
and we have backpedal #1. Notice how when a gentleman is setting terms for a wager, there is no need for name-calling, baiting, or taunting. These are things you learned in old western movies, not how the real gambling world works. I will restate the offer, which you will not likely accept: Josh Zerlan is hereby challenged to 20 bitcoin wagerI will bet 20 coins via C's escrow method that the following statement is false: by the end of 3/15/2013, five or more bitcointalk users will post pix of their working BFL machines. BFL will achieve 350+ Mhash/joule on the hardware shipped. no reason to offer a ~ USD $25,000 bet with favorable terms. If I were using Josh Zerlan logic, I would call Josh Zerlan a scammer in bold because you typed a statement that gave BFL the entire year when you posted on the BFL forums that your chips were already at the bumping facility. Certainly you will have 5 users worth shipped by the end of this month. But I'm not going to do that. I'm simply going to offer you a simple, reasonably sized wager, which Josh Zerlan will likely continue not to accept and instead backpedal somewhere between blatant denial and outright trolling. |
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well, chips must have just been opened by a pen-knife at the bumping facility. That's the only reason I can find for Josh Zerlan's sudden disappearance. http://youtu.be/6McLXorvIUM?t=58s |
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Also willing to bet BFL will not ship by 3/15 (ides of March) Sgt Spike If anyone has offers, such as "hey Micon, i'll bet you my 50 coins vs. your 25 coins that BFL ships at least 5 customers 350 Mhash/Joule+ ASIC devices pictured, tested, and working by the end of March" go ahead and throw them out here. Don't let trolls in this thread deter you from offering something. All bets made so far have been very Gentleman-like between the bettors. Contrary to some early trolls, there is nothing wrong with putting something out there and having the other side say no. Also, nothing wrong with quick negotiation of terms so both sides are happy with the bet (until it settles so if anyone wants some near-term BFL will ship action, I'm open to suggestions and very much want to take the "BFL won't ship in near-term" side. Just gonna quote the above for the inevitable back peddling that Bryan Micon is sure to do later. So now it's "I very much want to take the 'BFL won't ship near-term' side." which is a far cry from "BFL is a scam! I am positive!" See, if Bryan Micon wasn't a liar, then taking a bet for near term, long term, forever-term would be a no brainer. But since he's unwilling to do that, he's clearly demonstrating the fact that he lied from the beginning. It's fortunate you all are doing escrow with these bets, since he has a history of welching on his contracts and deals in the past and is a known poker scammer. Anyone willing to do bets with him should definitely do escrow or he'll rip you off. 1) this is a betting thread. Josh Zerlan - feel free to bet me 20 coins personally, using C's escrow technology (like all of my booked bets in this thread, dick) - that's around $500 - let's set the date for 3/15 that BFL achieves 350 Mhash/joule and 5 customers report receiving and post pix. Or are you just trolling up this thread? BTC COMMUNITY - WATCH THIS - JOSH ZERLAN WILL VERY LIKELY NOT ESCROW-BET ME. Start backpeddling 2) and when are done backpeddling, you will end up back at JoshZerlan.com, and this video of you acting completely unprofessional, taking your BTCtalk personal into real live: http://youtu.be/UlWrmIqGs3Y?t=2m24s |
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Haha by the end of the month is the only thing Bryan Micon, the "professional poker player" is willing to wager now. From "It's definitely a scam! No doubt about it!" to "Well, by the end of the month." in the span of a month.
yikes. this is what I mean by "don't be deterred by the random trolling in this thread" Josh Zerlan is the troll's IRL name from the above post. If you guys are wondering why a BFL representative has resorted to trolling my bet thread (over and over again) here is some information on him: 1) when I asked Josh at CES 2013 to show me the box of fans & heat sinks: http://youtu.be/UlWrmIqGs3Y?t=2m24s 2) JoshZerlan.com for all your Josh Zerlan needs. 3) my BFL investigation thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136392.0 |
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