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1101  Economy / Gambling / Re: 80 BTC bet between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?) on: April 13, 2013, 04:33:30 PM

Micon - I am willing to increase our bet up to an additional 100 BTC.  If you agree, we can both just pay the original bet address.

I'm in, just please agree to these restated the terms (as this is gonna be a ~ $10k bet when book, who knows what it will be worth when settled) :

SgtSpike bets 100 BTC that this statement is true:

BFL will ship out 3+ ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3+a customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  

Micon bets this statement is false, also for 100 btc.

Unlike the betsofbitco.in fiasco, I don't believe there will be a problem between 2 gentleman bettors.  Result should be abundantly clear on the morning of 7/1

Just agree to this and we can both hit the hash.  

Sure.  I would like to further clarify:

The terminology included in this bet does not change the original 20 BTC bet in any way.  The original 20 BTC bet is only held to the terms specified at the time of the original bet.

(My changes in bold):
BFL will ship out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers (at least 1 device per customer) who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate.  If BFL ships out devices that do not meet the power requirement, this does not conclude the bet.  As long as BFL ships out at least 3 ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3 customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST, the statement is true, and the bet is won in SgtSpike's favor.

If you agree to my statement as outlined above, post here stating as much, and then we can both send in our 100 BTC to the original Bitcoin address, 1B3EAGAgXoALFd6o9762hitoCyH61JxF4Y

I think we are 1mm from having a bet here, I really don't like your sentence "If BFL ships out devices that do not meet the power requirement, this does not conclude the bet" I understand what you mean and I agree, i.e. if BFL ships a device that doesn't meet power specs but then does ship 3x+ that do meet our spec by our date then you would win.  I agree to that no problem.

Maybe I just ask you to reword it 1 more time and then I hit the hash?  I think we will have a 200 coin extra bet here by the end of the day.
1102  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bryan Micon's Butterfly Labs Scammer Investigation including Josh Zerlan on: April 13, 2013, 01:55:20 AM
1)  seriously?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSu5Yyc1bEM

The ONLY thing it seems BFL spends $ on is advertising

2)  2 dudes just rolled into BFL offices yesterday:  http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c3hyc/toured_butterflylabs_a_few_hours_ago/?sort=confidence 

they found the "Luke Unit" and that's about it.

Seems like that pre-order monies are paying a staff of ~ 10 to do not much all day, then Skype the lead French Dev. who works at the bank for his day job.

I don't think you could script any of this better.

1103  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: April 13, 2013, 12:50:20 AM


1)  this pic made me have the same warm-fuzzy feeling as when I first saw the Atari Lynx.

2)  I would obviously love to buy 100 of them

3)  iCEBREAKER just kills it with every post, I was also thinking cute & funny USB cases.  Also shout the aluminum super-case.  Any shot these would work in one of those powered USB strips?  Could you line an entire room with them?  10x 10 spot USB strips, 10x of these cute little guys hashing away?
1104  Economy / Gambling / Re: 80 BTC bet between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?) on: April 12, 2013, 10:37:53 PM

Micon - I am willing to increase our bet up to an additional 100 BTC.  If you agree, we can both just pay the original bet address.

I'm in, just please agree to these restated the terms (as this is gonna be a ~ $10k bet when book, who knows what it will be worth when settled) :

SgtSpike bets 100 BTC that this statement is true:

BFL will ship out 3+ ASIC mining devices capable of at least 150MH/s per watt to at least 3+a customers who post pix & verify hashrate by 12:01am EST 7/1.  No BFL-employee or anyone that has been to BFL labs personally to settle the 3 customers pix & hashrate. 

Micon bets this statement is false, also for 100 btc.

Unlike the betsofbitco.in fiasco, I don't believe there will be a problem between 2 gentleman bettors.  Result should be abundantly clear on the morning of 7/1

Just agree to this and we can both hit the hash. 
1105  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS: Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet on: April 11, 2013, 07:16:57 PM
Lukejr,

I wish you would open your eyes.  This is not a group of "angry bettors that lost coins" - this is a group of honest bettors that got scammed.

Even if you personally believe your BFL mission was altruistic, this is how you will be remembered from now on:


lol @ a bitcoin dev selling his reputation for a plane trip and a magical unicorn machine.


Judging by his attitude displayed thus far in this thread I would say there's a lot more than simple naivety going on there.

Sore losers? Dude, they're customers, that were scammed.

From community perspective, this is how they saw what went down.

I echo the group's findings.  Maybe you were played, maybe you knew all along, but your actions helped tip the scales of justice towards "bullshit"
1106  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS: Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet on: April 11, 2013, 06:21:04 AM
Last 3 trolls seem to be missing the fact that the bet deadline was at the end of April 1, not the start of it.

1)  do you really think these angry users are all trolls?
I think they're sore losers who shouldn't be betting if they can't take responsibility for making sure the bet terms satisfy them.
They should be glad it was declared a draw rather than a win for the pre-April side.

2)  IMO you helped BFL manipulate a bet, which is shameful & dishonest.
All I did was accept a device I paid for.


IMO saying you "accept a device I paid for" is extremely weak.

1) where is the device now?
2) it has been on the entire time since you bought it?
3) why didn't you take it home with you?

I'm not going to argue here.  I have important shit to attend to.  I think everyone sees that you were used as BFL's pawn to play a little game of fuck over BFL don't-bettors.

1107  Economy / Gambling / Re: 80 BTC bet between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?) on: April 10, 2013, 08:03:36 AM
1:1 bet on sgt spike terms and I'm in for 5 BTC. They deliver 3 units by July 1st at Avalon or better power ratio.

SgtSpike: I am willing to buy you out.

I am incredibly busy right now, and do not have time to look up all the details, but can you confirm that Micon vs. you is the same bet as Micon vs. me, except the power requirement which is 150+ Mhash/J (Micon vs. you) instead of 350+ Mhash/J (Micon vs. me) ? If that is the case, yes I will definitely buy your 20 BTC share.

Micon: after I buy SgtSpike out, I can add more coins.

some1 get me an escrow!   

I feel bad making Mike do it. 

is there no1 else we trust that knows how to generate btc-address escrow codes?
1108  Economy / Goods / Re: [FOR SALE] Series 1, 1 BTC Casascius Coins on: April 10, 2013, 05:52:37 AM
I am blown away to see my earliest coins going for that much.  It's crazy.  Had I ever known...

With very few exceptions I gave away most of my early coins to people at work, I was giving them out like candy, what iwth BTC being $2 and all.  So, those lucky ducks, if they still have them, have a prize.

I suppose if people are taking collecting my coins seriously, I might as well point out that the series 1 coins were made and distributed in prefix order, with 11xxxxxx being the first, 12xxxxxxx being next, etc.  The lower the number, the earlier the coin.

There are two specific coins I can think of that might garner peculiar interest for rarity, if any of my coins could be described that way.

I only kept one coin from the earliest batches.  I kept one whose prefix was "13kpu33y".  I funded it in 2011, but decided not to give away becuase when I looked at it, and the way the font looks, it appeared to me like the coin said "13k pussy".  Since these were coins I was giving away to promote bitcoin, I subconsciously set it aside because I wanted to foster discussion of bitcoin, not middle school locker room jokes.  Had I not funded, I probably would have just ripped it open and thrown it in my "rejects" pile.  So, that said, that's the only genuine original untouched funded-in-2011 coin I managed to keep.  Even though it would be sweet to see four figures for it, I doubt I'll sell it.

There were two prototype coins I made out of the pre-production coin samples before I got the Casascius holograms.  The prototype coins had a generic hologram, had a greenish solidified lacquer layer covering that hologram (since I was experimenting with spray coatings I ultimately decided not to do).  Inside the lacquer layer I embedded a second outer paper circle with 8 character prefix, split on two lines of four.  Of those four prototype coins, I funded only one of them so I could give it away.  I don't know who I gave it to, but I know who of several people who possibly might have it.  I suppose that's the only one that can be proven to have existed at the time having timely funding on the block chain.  The coin is fully functional.  I have the other one, but I don't think I ever funded it.  Matters little, cause I'm not about to sell it either.

I have had people contact me to find out when their coin was minted, as though to evaluate its value.  Just look it up on the block chain.  I always fund the address after creating the coin (it would be stupid to do otherwise in case the coin ends up being a reject for whatever reason) so it is easy to establish a coin was minted prior to the date the block chain shows it was funded.


1)  you are the fucking man

2)  I want the "13k Pussy" 2011 bitcoin so bad it is a bit disturbing to even myself. 
1109  Economy / Gambling / Re: 80 BTC bet between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?) on: April 10, 2013, 04:40:07 AM
If I may suggest if the price has gone from $200 to $10000, a suggestion of reducing the bet may be more reasonable. Clearly each of you still think you're +EV to win, so I doubt a buyout one way or the other would work.

For example if you both went from 20 BTC on both sides to 2 BTC on each side, you'd be essentially doubling the bet in fiat terms from the original, but lowering your exposure now.

Saying that - Micon seems to have the risk tolerance to bet that big while SgtSpike doesn't (nothing wrong with that), so it would mean Micon has to agree to lower what he perceives to be +EV gain for the sake of being nice. Wouldn't blame him if he didn't.

Obviously up to you guys what you do though Smiley

pretty much all the fun for me in these bets is firing something relatively small and then all the sudden have some really big wager on something you originally were confident in.

there will certainly be no reductions of wagers & I'm actively trying to bet more.




Micon - I would like to offer you the opportunity to buy out of our bet for 5 BTC.  So, of the 40 BTC we bet, I receive 35 BTC, you receive 5 BTC, and we call off the bet.  I doubt you'll take me up on this, but you never know, so... there's the offer.  Wink

Wow if you are that confident lets bet more on it, then u can sell those bets too.  Will do up to 100 coins more on it
No, the idea is to REDUCE the gamble, not increase it!

 Lemme get this straight - you think you are going to easily win but wont bet more on it?
Yes.  It is too much money to gamble with.  I am not much of a gambling man.  $200 was a reasonable gamble.  $10,000 is not.  And even though I do believe there is a very good chance BFL will deliver by July 1st, the small chance that they might not is killing me.

Now I think I understand.  Judging by how this thread went:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=171479.0  it appears that you want to salvage whatever equity you currently have in this bet, as 40 coins is now a large sum. 

Instead of offering something insulting, when this situation arises in the gambling world the guy that appears to be losing asks for a buyout.   Sometimes they come to terms and the bet is settled early. 

Of course we're all greedy humans, but you couldn't really think I was going to take a price as if BFL had uploaded pix of Josh driving all 500 units each day to the post office.  And you *really* couldn't think that someone would buy your bet instead of betting me fresh.  I'm posting everywhere that I want an extra 100 coins on this.  With me they would bet 30 coins to win 30 coins.  with you they would bet 30 coins to win 10 coins.




1110  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] 40 BTC Bet with Micon regarding BFL on: April 10, 2013, 04:32:54 AM
I am willing to bet up to 100 coins on this at 1:1

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135914.0
1111  Economy / Gambling / Re: 80 BTC bet between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?) on: April 10, 2013, 03:22:51 AM
Micon - I would like to offer you the opportunity to buy out of our bet for 5 BTC.  So, of the 40 BTC we bet, I receive 35 BTC, you receive 5 BTC, and we call off the bet.  I doubt you'll take me up on this, but you never know, so... there's the offer.  Wink

Wow if you are that confident lets bet more on it, then u can sell those bets too.  Will do up to 100 coins more on it
No, the idea is to REDUCE the gamble, not increase it!

 Lemme get this straight - you think you are going to easily win but wont bet more on it?
1112  Economy / Gambling / Re: 80 BTC bet between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?) on: April 10, 2013, 01:34:42 AM
Micon - I would like to offer you the opportunity to buy out of our bet for 5 BTC.  So, of the 40 BTC we bet, I receive 35 BTC, you receive 5 BTC, and we call off the bet.  I doubt you'll take me up on this, but you never know, so... there's the offer.  Wink

Wow if you are that confident lets bet more on it, then u can sell those bets too.  Will do up to 100 coins more on it
1113  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS: Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet on: April 09, 2013, 08:09:48 PM
Last 3 trolls seem to be missing the fact that the bet deadline was at the end of April 1, not the start of it.

1)  do you really think these angry users are all trolls?

2)  IMO you helped BFL manipulate a bet, which is shameful & dishonest.
1114  Economy / Gambling / Re: 80 BTC bet between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?) on: April 09, 2013, 09:10:26 AM
willing to talk bet right now if you'd like MrB.  I think I can work with you on a date to make a new, larger wager.

How about:

100 coin bet
3+ "trusted" forum members who have never been to BFL offices in Kansas report with pix rec'ving device in mail and posting pix-proof it it hashing at 350+ Mh/J
Date:  6/1/2013
Same escrow setup as before, different pair of codes & different hash to keep things clean.

I am not sure BFL can ship by June 1st...


what is your date that you would bet me 1:1 on?
1115  Economy / Gambling / Re: 80 BTC bet between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?) on: April 08, 2013, 05:10:12 PM
do you have any interest on gambling with odds on an earlier date?  

how about your 100 coins vs. my 150
date: 5/15
same terms 3x non-BFL reports&  1 device 350Mh/J+

No, thanks. It is too uncertain whether BFL can ship by 5/15 or not. However I would consider doubling or tripling our current bet, if we push the date to Sep 30, 2013 (1 year after the original shipping date!) while keeping all other conditions as is.

willing to talk bet right now if you'd like MrB.  I think I can work with you on a date to make a new, larger wager.

How about:

100 coin bet
3+ "trusted" forum members who have never been to BFL offices in Kansas report with pix rec'ving device in mail and posting pix-proof it it hashing at 350+ Mh/J
Date:  6/1/2013
Same escrow setup as before, different pair of codes & different hash to keep things clean.

If anyone other than mrb is interested in betting on BFL shipping dates, holler at me.

1116  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bryan Micon's Butterfly Labs Scammer Investigation including Josh Zerlan on: April 08, 2013, 05:03:47 PM
1)  The BFL refund game has been interesting to watch.  This latest fee is just 1 sprinkle on the icing on the cake IMO

2)  The price increases on their site IMO seems to be a play against what must be an ever-increasing stream of refunds.  The owner of this business is a convicted mail order scammer, so these techniques are to be expected IMO

3)  While it seems they had *something* they claim to be hot-hashing in the LukeJr video (once you put a few months behind that video certain entities are going to look extremely foolish) The once again deafening silence will have me looking for multi-month multi-100 coin wagers against them shipping.

4)  JoshZerlan.com continues to fly Josh's flag.  7000+ views:   http://youtu.be/UlWrmIqGs3Y?t=2m16s
1117  Economy / Gambling / Re: Sites where you can bet on anything? on: April 08, 2013, 04:54:21 PM
There is betsofbitco.in which is scammy. So don't bet there.

+1 as a professional gambler I must advise OP and all readers to stay away from betsofbitco.in.   Here is an example of them cheating the community out of 100's of bitcoins last month:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165500.0
1118  Economy / Gambling / Re: Series ONE physical Bitcoin raffle on: April 07, 2013, 07:33:23 PM
These things are going for over $1000 on Ebay so I want to raffle off a few of my series one physical Bitcoins in the easiest and fairest way possible. 

I am open to suggestions on how to go about this.

If you run a site that can raffle these things off for me (including advertising) for a small cut please contact me.

Thanks!



1) find a guy offering 8%/wk

2) get any community member that will listen to you to invest through you personally

3) place "Pirate is not a ponzi" in your signature to further investment as the scheme collapses

4) never apologize to anyone for your role in the scam

5) choose the winner at random at random, rig how you learned from Pirate.
1119  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: April 07, 2013, 07:30:54 PM
1)  BIG BTC in ~ 2.5 hrs, 1.9 + .1 buy in and OVER 20 COINS FOR 1st - that's hot

2) lolz at LTC in general.  Micon's advice:  there is only 1 bitcoin.  do not touch LTC, it is going to $0.0

3) Just got off the phone w/Freemo.   Server side improvements continue at a furious pace, including fractionalizing the chips to once again spread microlimit cash games.  This is going to take some time, but the boys are cooking it up.

the BIG BTC is the biggest today is the biggest btc ever with the recent runup in price. 

GLGLLGLGLGL all, 20+ coins for first is sounding like a come-up!
1120  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS: Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet on: April 06, 2013, 02:19:26 AM

There are a few hundred users that think it's an easy decision, some of which are betting against me in other BFL-facing wagers.  You see 2 giant threads calling them scammers.  Really think a few hundred of us are just irrational and angry at losing fair and square?  This one is so lopsided what is right and what is wrong, and once again a situation proves Theymos is not impartial.

It has seemed to me, for a long time, for whatever reason, this community makes a lot of pro-BFL decisions.  Theymos has made them in the past, as has gmaxwell, and now coinjedi makes a pro-BFL move that will destroy his site.  This is not something that is shocking to me or should be to you guys.  

It is plain and simply outright theft.  There is unlikely to be any punishment except what will certainly be a very noticeable absence of action at BoB.

Those "hundreds of users" have money at stake, so of course they're gonna disagree. Doesn't make them any more right than someone else just because there are more of them.

There were also lots and lots ofusers who called you a troll, and begged for you to.be banned, should we have caved just because there were more of them than those who defended you? Majority rules isn't always right.

I'm absolutely amazed that you of all people, who was in the minority fighting the majority (Pirate and his shills) for such a long time, would turn around and use the majority card when it suits you. What a hypocrite.

what the fuck are you talking about?  Pirate?  Do you remember me screaming that it's such an obvious scam to save ppl coins and shut it down so it doesn't further infect the btc world?  you are saying somehow that was wrong or I should be thankful you didn't side with obvious scammers?  You have no point there, none at all.

This 1 is clear as day. 

Everyone sees it, this is not a group complaining about losing money - ppl lose huge bets all the time on BoB and elsewhere - no one complains unless there is an outright, obvious fraud like there is here.  I wouldn't expect a "Global moderator" to be anything but massively pro-BFL, as they ship you guys another $3k for another week's worth of ads...

your post is transparent and embarrassing.
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