oh boy...  Every statement from Josh has me more and more convinced that BFL is a scam. "I don't know who's dropped the ball this week on the bumping"
really? the COO doesn't know what happened to the millions of dollars worth of chips that have been at the bumping facility since Valentine's day? It seems like from 2/14-2/25 all Josh did was troll up a betting thread. "these places just are not used to dealing with accelerated timelines and they just can't wrap their head around urgency"
so the Chief of Operations didn't know that ahead of time? Or is Josh just making shit up again? "We literaly gave them a blank check to have it done ASAP and they wern't able to do it"
That sounds like sound business practice. Interesting to know they "wern't able to do it" - those words would scare the shit out of me if I had a $30k fanbox on order... |
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@Mod, please move this thread of garbage to offtopic.
+1 - This has become a pathetic dick-swinging contest which you've both massively lost. I am asking Theymos to see what we can do here. mrb, Teal, myself, and SgtSpike have like $5k+ and growing on bets for and against BFL, so I really do not want this moved to off topic. From here, I ask all users to please report Josh's future posts - we really must return this thread to betting only. |
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Bryan, let me be perfectly clear because you don't seem to be hearing me. I will not take your bet until you take my bet. The entire point of your argument is that BFL is a scam, not that BFL won't ship before X date. Until you either admit that you are lying about BFL being a scam or you back it up with a bet, we will not move forward.
We can discuss the terms of YOUR bet after you agree to one of the following two things:
A) You are lying about BFL being a scam.
B) You prove that you actually believe that BFL is a scam and do so via a non-trivial bet.
The only reason I'm even proposing a bet is because you are an admitted "professional" gambler, and this ties in with your self-image. So, name your price on the domain name either in USD or BTC that you would sell it to me for outright and that will be the value you place on the domain name. At that point we can discuss the actual bet and how it would be carried out.
After we come to an agreement, I will take you up on your 20 BTC bet you have proposed.
I seriously can barely make sense of your posts. I'm offering a simple bet. It has simple terms. I'm adding in the domain JoshZerlan.com at no additional cost.I'm not interested in any other offer. I have told you this on fucking repeat. "I will bet you when you do these random things" is just childish and silly. If you believed your own words about the BFL timeline you would jump at the chance to get JoshZerlan.com - but we both know BFL has 0% chance to ship a product by 3/20. no update from bumping facility still? no pictures yet? You know, it occurred to me that Bryan Micon doesn't even have enough confidence in his claim that BFL is a scam to put up a $9 USD domain name against any amount of BTC. All he has to do is tell me what he'd sell the domain outright for in USD or BTC and we might have ourselves a bet. Hell, I'd even let casascius be the arbitrator of when the bet would be satisfied one way or another.
Bryan Micon is unwilling to bet even $9 that is claim is true. That pretty much says it all.
Do you live in reality? do you not read the replies? my 20 coins + the domain vs. your 20 coins only that BFL ships 3 ASICs by 3/20 aw hell, this is pointless. He is clearly here just to fuck this thread up. Users interested in keeping this thread clean: From this point on, please ignore & report all Inaba posts in this thread. There is a BFL scammer thread he can fight me on the merits of BFL if he wants to continue. This thread is for betting only, please help me restore it that way. I am msg'ing the mods about this as well, it's clearly run it's course and is out of control. |
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Bryan, as I said, I'm not interested in your stupid bet about "When will BFL ship ASICs." That's not the issue.
well that's what this thread is about - a bet on when BFL will ship ASICs - and you continue to troll it up. I am clearly here to wager. I have 3 bets. I stand to win $5k+ when BFL continues to miss dates. If Josh wants to argue with me about weather or not the BFL scam is a scam, he must do so in the BFL scam investigation thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136392.0I ask all users to click "report to moderator" on Josh Zerlan's future posts in this thread. He is very clearly not here to gamble, only troll, and I would like to continue wagering. |
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I placed my order in early September and after the way things have gone so far I have resigned myself to maybe receiving my order by late March. Add another week for international mail too.
I wouldn't consider getting it in late March to be an option. the COO of BFL has been trolling up my betting thread, and refuses to take a wager that BFL ships 3+ ASICs that meet or beat specs before 3/20/2012 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135914.360 |
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Wow if this turns out to be real, and I'm calling this one early (with a lower degree of confidence 4 posts in) that OP seems extremely real from the onset. This is how a good corporate citizen would act after building their first prototypes and testing the process.
This seems like a no-bullshit business that has already successfully completed the R&D phase (unlike some guys out there...) and are taking the right steps to bring the chip to market.
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Bryan, let me be perfectly clear because you don't seem to be hearing me. I will not take your bet until you take my bet. The entire point of your argument is that BFL is a scam, not that BFL won't ship before X date. Until you either admit that you are lying about BFL being a scam or you back it up with a bet, we will not move forward.
We can discuss the terms of YOUR bet after you agree to one of the following two things:
A) You are lying about BFL being a scam.
B) You prove that you actually believe that BFL is a scam and do so via a non-trivial bet.
The only reason I'm even proposing a bet is because you are an admitted "professional" gambler, and this ties in with your self-image. So, name your price on the domain name either in USD or BTC that you would sell it to me for outright and that will be the value you place on the domain name. At that point we can discuss the actual bet and how it would be carried out.
After we come to an agreement, I will take you up on your 20 BTC bet you have proposed.
I seriously can barely make sense of your posts. I'm offering a simple bet. It has simple terms. I'm adding in the domain JoshZerlan.com at no additional cost.I'm not interested in any other offer. I have told you this on fucking repeat. "I will bet you when you do these random things" is just childish and silly. If you believed your own words about the BFL timeline you would jump at the chance to get JoshZerlan.com - but we both know BFL has 0% chance to ship a product by 3/20. no update from bumping facility still? no pictures yet? |
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in your official update thread. I am betting anyone who will take the bet that you are lying, and that BFL will not ship 3 units by 3/20/2013. By your continued unwillingness to bet me on your own statements, me and everyone with their eyes open can see that even you yourself don't believe your words enough to bet $600 on it.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem, Bryan? I said I would take your bet as long as you prove you aren't lying when you say the BFL is a scam by taking me up on the aforementioned bet. You want me to bet on my words but you are unwilling to bet on your own words. By your own unwillingness to bet me on your own statements, everyone with their eyes open can see that even you yourself don't believe your words enough to bet 100 BTC on it. It's clear you are lying and lying about BFL being a scam. I will take your bet, Bryan, as long as you take mine. You are the only one holding up this bet at this point. I'll tell you what Bryan, since you are so unwilling to put any real money down on your own words, lets do this: You bet your precious domain name that you registered with my name against BTC. That way, you are only out the price of a domain name when you lose. You tell me how much you'd sell me that domain name for if I were to buy it outright and perhaps we can come to an agreement where I wager BTC against the domain name. Ah so we get to the meat of the issue. I will make you a wager-offer that if you refuse it, your possible pre-order customers will know 100% that your company is not legitimate and you do not believe your own posts: I willing to bet Josh Zerlan my 20 coins + the JoshZerlan.com domain vs Josh Zerlan's 20 coins only on "false" to the following statement: "Butterfly Labs will deliver 3+ verified ASIC orders that meet or beat specs of 350+ mhash/joule by 3/20/2013" That's right Josh! I'm throwing the domain in for free - my 20 coins + JoshZerlan.com vs. your 20 coins. casascius I apologize for making you read this thread. Even if Josh can find a way not to take this bet I have 3x btc-address escrow'ed bets that will settle in the next few months so we will see your system in action and the technical achievement will be displayed here. If Josh does want to bet I will request code via PM. |
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1) thank you for all the support. We can feel the love over here.
2) we will have a major announcement in the next week or so. We don't really give dates, just know it's soon. It's awesome. You will all love.
3) Tossing out more FFFFF 500 chip freeroll codes! 1x use, so GOGOGOGO
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I have been extremely clear on what I will or won't bet on. When a professional bettor offers a bet and it is declined, it is in extremely poor taste to say "ooooooohhhh!!!! you are such a wussy!!! you won't bet me!!!" Since you are a classless narcissist and natural manipulator of the facts, in your brain it actually makes sense that if I decline your 2000 coin $60,000 vague term'ed wager that I was akin to a scammer. You can say this while holding millions upon millions in pre-order monies, having missed every deadline for ASICs you have ever posted, having not one but two other companies beat you to market costing your "customers" not only bitcoin but also mental anguish. The disconnect you have on reality is evident to all with their eyes open. Micon, you are mentally deficient. You simply can't grasp the situation apparently. I will take you up on your bet as long as you back up your claim that BFL is a scam. You are refusing, which demonstrates to me that you are liar and do not even believe your own brand of bullshit. Here's the bottom line: You are making a claim. You have nothing to back up this claim. You are not willing to even stand by your claim through a bet. The only possibly conclusion one can come to: Bryan Micon is a liar and a scammer. Heh.. professional poker player indeed. No wonder you are a failure. All I'm betting is that you are lying here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-55.html#post15632in your official update thread. I am betting anyone who will take the bet that you are lying, and that BFL will not ship 3 units by 3/20/2013. By your continued unwillingness to bet me on your own statements, me and everyone with their eyes open can see that even you yourself don't believe your words enough to bet $600 on it. I once again, for the nth time re-iterate a wager that I willing to bet 20 coins on "false" right now: "Butterfly Labs will deliver 3+ verified ASIC orders that meet or beat specs of 350+ mhash/joule by 3/20/2013" So Josh, the ball is in your court, and everyone with a pre-order has to be wondering why you continue to balk at this very clear wager based on terms you posted. |
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The thing that amazes me the most is the nature of his language. He seems to over-promise at every single opportunity. Take his Feb 21st update for example: "We should hopefully have more information on that later tonight or tomorrow". And yet (2 days later), there is no follow up post. Could he not simply say "We will update you as soon as we have more information?". There is no reason to volunteer a micro deadline like that.. It's a common pattern through every single one of his updates.
+1 You need to school him on expectation management. at this stage Josh Zerlan's function is to explicitly mismanage expectations of his customers and possible future customers. Take his latest post for example: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-55.html#post15632Buddy3315,
You have a fundamental flaw in your statement. It's based entirely around the fact that we somehow knew about the delays before hand and have been lying to people all along. I just can't take people seriously when they start off with that premise, because it is patently false. In the beginning I gave vague dates because we did not have hard dates. Everyone cries for transparency so I give hard dates and we miss them. Do you think I just pull these dates out of thin air? No, I get these dates from the people who are doing the work. I know some of them, sometimes, are not going to meet their dates, but when I give you vague dates you get angry because it's not a specific date. That's the problem. You want specific dates but there are not specific dates to be had. Again, we go back to the fact that if you think you can do better, why are you on this forum, buying these products? You should be making your own and showing the world how it's done.
That said, Buddy3315, I think it may be time for you to get a refund. You are unhappy and it's quite understandable and if I were in your position and your viewpoint, I would be seeking a refund. We will happily give you a refund (and a refund to anyone else who is tired of waiting or believes that we are somehow lying to people to string them along.) I have given you the best dates I can and they have been missed, we apologize for that deeply. I also understand that it's very easy to say "Well, you should do this or you should have done that." but the fact of the matter is that it's NOT that easy. The world simply doesn't work like that, no matter how much you might want to believe it does. I point to the simple fact that every ASIC manufacturer for Bitcoin has been delayed (or destroyed). If it were as simple as people claim, you'd think at least one of them would have delivered on time and on spec, but not a single vendor has delivered on time or on spec. Why do you think that is? Because they are all lying or because it's a difficult project and unexpected events happen? Occams razor would tend to dictate the latter, since it's unlikely every ASIC vendor is lying. Couple that with the fact that the first vendor to ship a working product in volume stands to make a hell of a lot of money, so intentionally delaying or lying or what have you is nothing but detrimental to the process.
seems like he knows they will continue to miss dates, even though he is the one posting dates. "vague dates?" IMO fire the person or company that told you Nov 2012 would be shipping. |
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Josh's most recent reply on BFL forums: Buddy3315,
You have a fundamental flaw in your statement. It's based entirely around the fact that we somehow knew about the delays before hand and have been lying to people all along. I just can't take people seriously when they start off with that premise, because it is patently false. In the beginning I gave vague dates because we did not have hard dates. Everyone cries for transparency so I give hard dates and we miss them. Do you think I just pull these dates out of thin air? No, I get these dates from the people who are doing the work. I know some of them, sometimes, are not going to meet their dates, but when I give you vague dates you get angry because it's not a specific date. That's the problem. You want specific dates but there are not specific dates to be had. Again, we go back to the fact that if you think you can do better, why are you on this forum, buying these products? You should be making your own and showing the world how it's done.
That said, Buddy3315, I think it may be time for you to get a refund. You are unhappy and it's quite understandable and if I were in your position and your viewpoint, I would be seeking a refund. We will happily give you a refund (and a refund to anyone else who is tired of waiting or believes that we are somehow lying to people to string them along.) I have given you the best dates I can and they have been missed, we apologize for that deeply. I also understand that it's very easy to say "Well, you should do this or you should have done that." but the fact of the matter is that it's NOT that easy. The world simply doesn't work like that, no matter how much you might want to believe it does. I point to the simple fact that every ASIC manufacturer for Bitcoin has been delayed (or destroyed). If it were as simple as people claim, you'd think at least one of them would have delivered on time and on spec, but not a single vendor has delivered on time or on spec. Why do you think that is? Because they are all lying or because it's a difficult project and unexpected events happen? Occams razor would tend to dictate the latter, since it's unlikely every ASIC vendor is lying. Couple that with the fact that the first vendor to ship a working product in volume stands to make a hell of a lot of money, so intentionally delaying or lying or what have you is nothing but detrimental to the process.
1) the tough-talk on refunds seems to be similar to pirateat40 issuing payout requests 2) This seems like almost an admission of guilt. What are "vague dates?" who lied to make them vauge? 3) what is the point of referencing other ASIC makers? 2 of them have beat BFL to market, and the only impact that has is on the bottom line of the multitude of BFL customers currently watching the network hash rate spike. |
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I have been extremely clear on what I will or won't bet on. When a professional bettor offers a bet and it is declined, it is in extremely poor taste to say "ooooooohhhh!!!! you are such a wussy!!! you won't bet me!!!" Since you are a classless narcissist and natural manipulator of the facts, in your brain it actually makes sense that if I decline your 2000 coin $60,000 vague term'ed wager that I was akin to a scammer. You can say this while holding millions upon millions in pre-order monies, having missed every deadline for ASICs you have ever posted, having not one but two other companies beat you to market costing your "customers" not only bitcoin but also mental anguish. The disconnect you have on reality is evident to all with their eyes open. Micon, you are mentally deficient. You simply can't grasp the situation apparently. I will take you up on your bet as long as you back up your claim that BFL is a scam. You are refusing, which demonstrates to me that you are liar and do not even believe your own brand of bullshit. Here's the bottom line: You are making a claim. You have nothing to back up this claim. You are not willing to even stand by your claim through a bet. The only possibly conclusion one can come to: Bryan Micon is a liar and a scammer. Heh.. professional poker player indeed. No wonder you are a failure. I guess I don't know what to even reply here. I have offered you a simple bet based on information that you posted. i suppose this is the most curious statement: I will take you up on your bet as long as you back up your claim that BFL is a scam.
I mean, I am totally 100% willing to bet "false" on this statement: "Butterfly Labs will deliver 3+ verified ASIC orders that meet or beat specs of 350+ mhash/joule by 3/20/2013" And Josh Zerlan has demonstrated numerous times he is not willing to back his own words with 20 coins: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html why you ask? it's because Josh Zerlan does not believe his own words. He would jump at the chance to win $600 from me, especially after I created JoshZerlan.com from my Galaxy Note 2, but he knows his words are false and couldn't stand to not only have me pwn him in regards to google results for his name, but also to win $600 USD from him in only a month's time. Josh's game here is transparent to me: He won't even bet that his own statements will come true. |
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If you think BFL is going to ship at some point, then you do not believe BFL is a scam THIS oh no. Right now they are a scam. At the very least, they are being extremely wreckless by taking unlimited pre-orders and even at this stage buying all the marketing they can each month to maximize monthly cashflow. In essence, they are gambling your pre-order money on R&D. This is not a pre-order, there has never been a product. They are (hopefully if you have a pre-order) gambling your pre-order money to try and make the product. A responsible company would do a round of funding because there is no guarantee the product will ever be delivered. By Josh's own admission they are in some stage of development. After missing the deadline 6 months in a row or more, they continue to act very irresponsibly and take unlimited uncapped pre-orders before a product is developed. What if the wafer does a waffle or whatever excuse Josh is likely to end up saying was the reason why it failed and that they were ordering another company to do another wafer-caper and just keep waiting and keep shipping pre-orders. Eventually this will dry up, eventually they will stop posting. As with the Pirateat40 scandal, there was a very long "waiting period" as I described where marks were "let down easy" then the massive delays and missed deadlines and false promises that the money will come back start. BFL is much more complex than Pirateat40. They had previously shipped FPGAs (although it seems like they were simply buying in bulk, selling to end users) and others have long theorized about ASICs, and now 2 other independent companies have shipped working products - when a new user wants in on the mining race, they are bombarded with BFL ads that say "XXXX gh/s for XXX$" and after the jump it says pre-order, but the site looks nice, there is a presence on the forum, ads in bitcoin magazine, ads on Bitcointalk, ads on google, ads on ask.com, ads everywhere for butterfly labs, a show at CES, it seems like they are acting legitimate if the user doesn't know the full drama going on, the endless missed deadlines, the endless spin, the endless abusive nature of the CEO, the fact that the guy who started the company is a convicted fraudster, etc and etc. |
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I hereby once again challenge Bryan Micon to a 100 BTC or 2000 BTC (or any number in between) wager that BFL will deliver ASICs in 2013 in escrow.
declined. We both won't take the other one's bet. Please do not reply any further Josh, let those that want to bet come to terms (and of course) escrow the funds using Mike's awesome btc-address tool. No, you won't take my bet, I will take yours, so long as you back up your lies with the above bet. But since you are declining, can I assume you are no longer claiming that BFL is a scam? Or are you going to continue to claim BFL is a scam, yet not back it up with a bet? I expect a full apology and a public retraction of your claim that BFL is a scam, since you are unwilling to back up your words. le sigh... 1) I think BFL is a scam. It is on you to prove otherwise. You are the one holding millions in community monies. You promised product 6+ months ago and continue to delay. It insults intelligence that you are the one hurling accusations here, as technically you already are a scam and you cannot prove otherwise. 2) I am a professional gambler. You may have seen me on ESPN during the WSOP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-mBUA-uUDM The way that we bet with each other, as you can see from the 3 other users that I currently have bets with (totaling over ~ $5,000 USD) that you set terms and then escrow money and wait for the date or action that settles the wager. 3) If you would like to bet, the only bet I am willing to make with you is for 20 coins each, and I would like to take "false" on the following statement: "Butterfly Labs will deliver 3+ verified ASIC orders that meet or beat specs of 350+ mhash/joule by 3/20/2013" If you would like to wager me 20 coins on "true" to the above statement, We will ask Mike for escrow codes. Outside of that, there are no other wagers I will make with you. Le sigh... 1) It's called " burden of proof" and it's on YOU. YOU are the one making the claim, thus YOU are the one require to prove it. This is a fundamental tenant of making an accusation such as this. 2) You are a failed professional gambler, not a professional gambler. But that is neither here nor there. Your claim is BFL is a scam. The terms are: BFL is not a scam and will deliver ASICs. The termination date of the bet is there to facilitate an end date to the bet, not to determine if BFL is a scam or not. Technically, unless BFL folds up shop and runs away with the money, your accusation is false. However, out of the goodness of my heart, I am giving you a termination date to the bet can be resolved prior to it's regular resolution period. 3) I would like to bet. Your claim is that BFL is a scam (See your point number 1), therefore the terms of the bet are whether or not BFL is a scam. The bet you are trying to place is not about whether or not BFL is a scam. The bet you are trying to place is "When will BFL ship." These two statements are contradictory and mutually exclusive. If you think BFL is going to ship at some point, then you do not believe BFL is a scam. However, if you believe BFL is a scam, then the shipping date is immaterial to this bet. So trying to force the bet to be based on a shipping date is not betting on whether or not BFL is a scam. If you would like to bet that BFL is a scam, I will bet with you. However, since you are refusing to do so, I expect a public apology and retraction of the fact that you think BFL is a scam. If you are unwilling to bet on this, being a professional gambler and all, you are lying about believing BFL is a scam. After you apologize and publicly retract your false allegations or you confirm your false allegations in the form of a bet stating as such, I will be happy to enter into the wager you are proposing. Until such time as one of the two above mentioned scenarios happen, let it be known that Bryan Micon is a liar and has no evidence to back up his false allegations, in addition, he is unwilling to back up his false allegations in the form of a bet, which is a reasonable form of confirmation given that he is a self admitted "professional gambler." 1) I have been extremely clear on what I will or won't bet on. When a professional bettor offers a bet and it is declined, it is in extremely poor taste to say "ooooooohhhh!!!! you are such a wussy!!! you won't bet me!!!" Since you are a classless narcissist and natural manipulator of the facts, in your brain it actually makes sense that if I decline your 2000 coin $60,000 vague term'ed wager that I was akin to a scammer. You can say this while holding millions upon millions in pre-order monies, having missed every deadline for ASICs you have ever posted, having not one but two other companies beat you to market costing your "customers" not only bitcoin but also mental anguish. The disconnect you have on reality is evident to all with their eyes open. 2) Let's talk about you now. Do you have any experience running companies? First time with COO on your business card? Let me guess, you aced Harvard and have an MBA from Wharton? you would have been kicked out of every legitimate company or school for behaving as you do. No company in their right mind would ever not immediately fire you after seeing how you acted towards a known skeptic at CES. 3) Here is a line to my thread titled "Bryan Micon's Butterfly Labs Scammer Investigation including Josh Zerlan" --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136392.0 This is a scammer investigation thread, not a "here is definitive proof thread." As with Pirateat40, when there is a magical unicorn like fan-box that is backing something, and the side that has the special something won't tell anyone about it or show any pictures but yeah, keep sending money - that is hard to prove, so you must keep adding a database of circumstantial facts and links like I am building in that thread. Thanks for stopping by the betting thread on your company Josh. Oh by the way, the last update says you were going to think about maybe checking up on the bumping facility? did you ever do that? |
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I hereby once again challenge Bryan Micon to a 100 BTC or 2000 BTC (or any number in between) wager that BFL will deliver ASICs in 2013 in escrow.
declined. We both won't take the other one's bet. Please do not reply any further Josh, let those that want to bet come to terms (and of course) escrow the funds using Mike's awesome btc-address tool. No, you won't take my bet, I will take yours, so long as you back up your lies with the above bet. But since you are declining, can I assume you are no longer claiming that BFL is a scam? Or are you going to continue to claim BFL is a scam, yet not back it up with a bet? I expect a full apology and a public retraction of your claim that BFL is a scam, since you are unwilling to back up your words. le sigh... 1) I think BFL is a scam. It is on you to prove otherwise. You are the one holding millions in community monies. You promised product 6+ months ago and continue to delay. It insults intelligence that you are the one hurling accusations here, as technically you already are a scam and you cannot prove otherwise. 2) I am a professional gambler. You may have seen me on ESPN during the WSOP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-mBUA-uUDM The way that we bet with each other, as you can see from the 3 other users that I currently have bets with (totaling over ~ $5,000 USD) that you set terms and then escrow money and wait for the date or action that settles the wager. 3) If you would like to bet, the only bet I am willing to make with you is for 20 coins each, and I would like to take "false" on the following statement: "Butterfly Labs will deliver 3+ verified ASIC orders that meet or beat specs of 350+ mhash/joule by 3/20/2013" If you would like to wager me 20 coins on "true" to the above statement, We will ask Mike for escrow codes. Outside of that, there are no other wagers I will make with you. |
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I will bet 10 coins that this statement is false:
"Butterfly Labs will deliver at least 3 working ASIC devices to customers by 3/20/2013, confirmed via pictures that are mining at an efficiency greater than 350 Mhash/Joule"
If anyone is a serious believer in BFL & their ability to deliver 3+ units 1 month from now and wants to bet on it, I will bet the other side.
We can use C's escrow tool, idk if we even need C anymore - just a trusted escrow
I'll take that bet Micon. Get it set up and let me know. If you're up for it we can take that bet 5 times (50 BTC total) Either way, good luck to you! SysRun, if you would still like to bet I would also like to. I |
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I hereby once again challenge Bryan Micon to a 100 BTC or 2000 BTC (or any number in between) wager that BFL will deliver ASICs in 2013 in escrow.
declined. We both won't take the other one's bet. Please do not reply any further Josh, let those that want to bet come to terms (and of course) escrow the funds using Mike's awesome btc-address tool. |
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See there you go lying again, Micon. You can't help yourself, can you?
I will bet you 2000 BTC or even 100 BTC, but you continue to waffle and refuse. Go on, prove me wrong. Bet me 100 BTC. Stop with all these caveats and loopholes you keep inserting into your bets. Back up your words, be a man. But we both know you're just a pathetic little boy trying to play in the big kids playground.
I would still like to know how that investigation going, did you uncover anything yet? You have yet to answer this, Bryan. Are you so incompetent that you can't uncover any evidence of a scam from someone who you believe is an idiot or are you so gullible that you know you are being manipulated and can't do a thing to stop it?
Hi Josh! How is work going today? busy? 1) I hereby once again challenge Josh Zerlan to a 20 coin wager that BFL will not deliver 3+ ASICs by 3/20/2013. I am willing to bet you up to 20 coins based on your offical BFL Asic Status post: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html that you will deliver 3+ verified ASIC orders that meet your specs of 350+ mhash/joule by 3/20/2013. 2) I am not interested in any other offer. SysRun has agreed to bet me on these terms, and I have requested escrow codes. Since you have been trolling, I have booked a 50 coin bet (25 each) with the strike date of 4/1. Even if I think you are running a total scam, which I do, this bet is a much better bet for me: I get paid faster, and it's what the market dictates ATM. I would lose this bet if your words from #1 are true, but you and I both know that's not the case. 3) http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201301/are-you-being-manipulated-social-puppeteer this is under "The Self-Centered/Narcissist" and it describes Josh Zerlan perfectly: The self-centered, self-absorbed narcissist needs an adoring audience to fawn over them - ever pliant. There is no shortage of these individuals, including those who will fall for them and whatever it is they are peddling. Whether it is a new way of doing business (think Enron), a new religion (think Jonestown, Guyana), or a superior empire (Third Reich). The self-centered/narcissistic personality needs a willing audience to manipulate, no matter how small, so long as they are blindly obedient and deferential. As such, the narcissist often chooses a profession, guild, organization, occupation, or a job where he or she can manipulate others or the system like a puppeteer. Through their words and actions, intended to impress and seduce, they control lives, thoughts, and perceptions to achieve their objective. They pull on your strings to make you believe in them, follow them, and act on their behalf. Their grandiosity and sense of entitlement has no bounds which, when coupled with their ability to manipulate others, shocks us. They can be arrested snorting coke but still get reelected (e.g., Marion Barry); in high office they get charged with corruption yet manage to snag television time (think of Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich; they start wars with the ease of one starting a shower (think Saddam Hussein), or they become captains of industry (e.g., Jeffrey Skilling), at the expense of those who must be servile at all times to them. In interpersonal relationships, they are always performing perception management so that they come out on top. In a personal setting, at home, spouses pay a heavy price. When they can no longer tolerate their self-centered husband or wife any more, they realize that all they have to show for their efforts and dedications is exhaustion and the feeling that they were used. They have little to show for their loyalty and unwavering fidelity, which was at times exacted from them, and there is no sense that they were ever truly appreciated. |
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this whole thing is so absurd, and I feel absolutely awful for the people who spent their money on these non-existent ASIC's....there's no proof, there's no evidence, and there's no legitimate answers to anything, it's just ridiculous. I give up, science bless you all...
Clearly a solid pot-stirrer. Well played IMO. Pot is already exploding. Josh, would you be willing to let someone in California take a picture at the facility?
whoa!! there's another one Josh Zerlan won't reply to. This thread, for him, is about trolling me. FWIW this argument reflects well on neither of you in my view. Just sayin'.
Agreed, and the words are strongest coming from Mike. I refuse to let Zerlan come in this thread and bully me around, all the while protected by the mods. It's pretty clear I have to monitor this thread, as I have ~ $5k+ in booked bets and I am actively seeking more. Josh has no business here, but he has free-run of the forums from the mods, so it is what it is - I won't let him post insult after insult to me here in this thread without replying with the same, boring facts about the current stage of BFL. He never wanted to bet in this thread - that is clear - he just wanted to troll, so as he does he will get re-trolled much, much harder. You have to stand up to a bully IMO. |
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