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7121  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is the complete anonymity and decentralization of bitcoin good or bad? on: January 27, 2018, 10:52:11 AM
@haocoin

People aren't supposed to hold their coins on any exchange, it's one of the golden rules. It's not only about if the platform is hacked, it can be also  if the exchange changes their rules suddenly (i am thinking about KYC as an example). These platforms are exchanges not web wallets, it shouldn't be used as a wallet.

When a site is hacked the coins stolen are labeled as "tainted coins" and crypto exchanges are working together to block the tainted coins to be traded on their platform.
7122  Economy / Reputation / Re: aTriz and Lauda just got merit! on: January 26, 2018, 11:29:14 PM
Hmmmm interesting....

🤣

Here's the thing. The merit system was created to slow down shitposting and shitposters from leveling up. Atriz is hero, Klaas too and Lauda is legendary. What would be the point of farming merits??




it must be the dowry for the marriage
7123  Other / Serious discussion / Re: Legalization of drugs? on: January 26, 2018, 11:09:24 PM
Drugs destroy people but not only, it destroys the family and random people who don't ask anything, and a family doesn't ask to be destroyed.



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o6D6AlcG3A

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7124  Other / Meta / Re: Negative Trust on Account sales - Right or Wrong on: January 26, 2018, 09:47:23 PM
No, if you check the section you see that it's supposed to be for members interested to sell and buy accounts but accounts that have nothing to do with the forum, not bitcointalk accounts but rather like casino, streaming, IPTV, membership, etc there are plenty of.
The admin didn't wake up in the middle of the night and decided to open a section to allow members to sell forum accounts

Also, the rule in the " Invites & Accounts" is "You are only allowed to sell accounts/invites that you legally obtained yourself or through legitimate trades. If you did anything illegal in order to obtain an item, then you can't trade it on bitcointalk.org. Anyone found breaking this rule will be banned."

99% of accounts listed to sell are hacked
7125  Other / Meta / Re: Merit and Discoverability on: January 26, 2018, 08:04:17 PM
Have you seen how the merits are given? For nothing, you can say "Hi" you will see people giving 50 LOL. So I am not sure a filtering mechanism will be really efficient

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Another think I'd like to see is following someone's merits. I mean, if you think someone has a good criteria to grant merits (good or at least similar as yours), then you can follow them and then having a link showing the posts merited by those users.

Something similar could be better? A RSS system of a list of the members you would like to follow or "add as friend/connection" "follow" button or something similar
7126  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [LIST] Free EU bank accounts that you can be opened directly online on: January 26, 2018, 07:36:05 PM
Wirex's community manager tweeted me this today New Crypto-Friendly Bank Accounts (from Wirex)
They are creating a crypto bank account, with a real card (not prepaid). IBAN, etc...
It can be a great solution to have

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Receive salary or any payments direct to your Wirex account
Exchange fiat into bitcoin (and top altcoins) at any time. High volume limits. No waiting time for bank transfers.
No extra bank transfer fee
Cash out of crypto anytime to make fiat payments easier than ever before (starting with GBP UK bank transfers, international (IBAN) transfers, ATM withdrawal, or shop with Visa. EUR bank accounts with SEPA transfer, and other currency accounts to be added later)
7127  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Book recommendations about cryptography? on: January 26, 2018, 07:12:52 PM

Both  "Cryptography Engineering" and "Practical Cryptography" by Bruce Schneier are worth a read as well.

He should search for his blog "Schneier on security" It should be online still. There are a lot of academic papers and articles. It's a good start.
But the best of the best is to go back to school and to go to a European university because there are the best. Israel has some quite good but not the best, let's say second quality choice lol

EDIT: schneier.com/academic/
7128  Other / Meta / Re: Negative Trust on Account sales - Right or Wrong on: January 26, 2018, 04:02:49 PM
"Account sales is allowed  / Not Forbidden" doesn't mean it is not allowed to give a negative feedback to people trying to buy/sell accounts.
And it doesn't mean the guy(s) running this forum agree with sales accounts
And secondly, the feedback system is not moderated as mentioned in the rules that you perfectly know about...but oh well.

Need Consideration too...
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7129  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitwala - Pay Your Bills With Bitcoin in Europe on: January 26, 2018, 03:37:54 PM
 Hello @Bitwala

I know you can't give us a date but do you think the company will have the banking license and operate with it during the year 2018?
I know that before this you have a lot to do, to work on the Lightning Node, API's, Altcoins and surely much more but well me too I am dreaming to see  Bitwala with a banking license lol,
7130  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Revolut SEPA transfer to Kraken possible? on: January 26, 2018, 02:44:00 PM
I am surprised if they are accepting deposits from Revolut. Knowing how Kraken is very strict from which banks deposits are made and not accepting deposits from some (traditional) banks, I would not be surprised if they stop deposits from Revolut in some months. Especially if they face frauds at a high rate.

You shouldn't be surprised at all.
I cant understand why the sepa transfers wouldn't work from revolut to kraken.
Continuing to block the money flow, would be a joke.
There are KYC for both kraken and revolut, so frauds are limited if not eliminated.

Why that? Since Kraken doesn't accept deposits coming from Revolut (source link posted above by @gentleman)
As a security matter, Kraken is also blocking any deposit coming from some traditional banks (and all banks have KYC procedures) so nope, frauds are not limited or wiped out
7131  Economy / Service Discussion / 2024 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites on: January 26, 2018, 12:22:20 PM
People thinking Bitcoin is an anonymous cryptocurrency is simply a total misconception as you know (or at least you should).
There are some Bitcoin users looking to get real privacy and this is where such websites are useful. Privacy is a right, not a privilege
I a not going to talk about the advantages to use such websites, (privacy, tainted coins, etc...) this is not the purpose of this topic.
 
I am trying to make an updated list of Bitcoin mixers/tumblers websites.
it will be useful to other users/readers, especially when there are some scams to avoid(cloned sites, etc...))

Disclaimer:
Although the list is updated as frequently as possible, (as soon as a change is needed), it's important for people to do their own research to make up their own opinion. Follow the announcement topics (links are posted when there is one), see what's going on, check the recent feedback from others, etc...

It can be very easy to be fooled. There are a lot of scams, much more than legitimate tumblers, (unfortunately).
Some don't bother to create a website with a different TLD (.net instead of .com) and replicate the design of a well-known mixer in order to mislead people.
Others go further using the IDN homograph attack.
To make it simple they use very similar characters. For example, using "l" lowercase L, and "I" uppercase "i". Or "ẹ" instead of "e".

examples below:
Code:
aladinwebsite .net
aiadinwebsite .net
bitcointumblerslist. com
bitcointumblẹrslist .com

Don't forget to visit Scams Bitcoin Mixers List and Services closed to avoid loosing money

You may be interested to read @mocacinno on Mixers using cloudflare's SSL certificates
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These discussions are defenately not limited to mixers, but should extend to any site that handles information you're not willing to share with law enforcement. It's perfectly fine to use cloudflare on your blog, your forum or on your site selling mouth masks.
It's not fine to use cloudflare on banking apps, ammo stores, mixers,...




2024 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites


⭐Name: CryptoMixer
🔹Launched on: May 2016
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees:  0.5% + 0.0005 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: Mixtum
🔹Launched on: August 2018
🔹Fees: 4% - 5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Minimum amount: 0.005 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 50 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: UniJoin
🔹Launched on: March 2020
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees:  from 1 to 3% +  Network fee
🔹Minimum amount: variable
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: Coinomize
🔹Launched on: May 2020
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: Here
🔹Fees: 1% - 5% (+ 0.0003 Network fee)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: Anonymixer
🔹Launched on: August 2020
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 2% (+ Network fee is dynamic depending on the mempool)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: No

⭐Name: Mixtura
🔹Launched on: July 2021
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: n/a
🔹Fees: up to 5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: Mixer
🔹Launched on: December 2021
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: n/a
🔹Fees: 4-5% + 0,0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0,003 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes  


⭐Name: Bitmixer
🔹Launched on: July 2022
🔹Fees: from 1 to 5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 50 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: Mixero
🔹Launched on: November 2022
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 0.7% to 4.7% + 0.0003 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.002 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: Webmixer
🔹Launched on: April 2023
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 1 to 5% + network fees (0,00035 or 0007 BTC)
🔹Minimum amount: 0,001 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: MedusaMixer
🔹Launched on: April 2023
🔹Fees: from 4 to 5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 50 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: Mixy
🔹Launched on: June 2023
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: 3-5% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: Whir
🔹Launched on:
🔹Fees: 1% fixed fee
🔹Minimum amount: 0,001 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 10 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: Thormixer
🔹Launched on: July 2023
🔹Fees: 4% + 0.0007 BTC
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Minimum amount: 0.003 BTC
🔹Maximum amount: 50 BTC
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes

⭐Name: Tumbler
🔹Launched on: September 2023
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: here
🔹Fees: from 0.4% to 5% + 0.0003 BTC (Discount on fees from 10% to 50% for returning customers)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.001
🔹Cloudflare/Ddos-guard.net: Yes


Alternatives to Bitcoin mixers with Coinjoin


What is Coinjoin?
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"CoinJoin is a trustless method for combining multiple Bitcoin payments from multiple spenders into a single transaction to make it more difficult for outside parties to determine which spender paid which recipient or recipients."
More about it: CoinJoin


⭐Name: Wasabi Wallet
🔹Clearnet link: https://wasabiwallet.io
🔹Tor link: wasabiukrxmkdgve5kynjztuovbg43uxcbcxn6y2okcrsg7gb6jdmbad.onion
🔹Bitcointalk thread link:
🔹Fees: 0.003%  multiplied by the anonymity set (number of participants of the CoinJoin)
🔹Minimum amount: 0.1BTC

⭐Name: Samourai
🔹Clearnet link: https://samouraiwallet.com/whirlpool
🔹Tor link: 72typmu5edrjmcdkzuzmv2i4zqru7rjlrcxwtod4nu6qtfsqegngzead.onion/
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: n/a
🔹Fees: flat fee for an unlimited anonymity set.
🔹Minimum amount: .01BTC

⭐Name: JoinMarket
🔹Clearnet link: download at https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver
🔹Tor link:
🔹Bitcointalk thread link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.0
🔹Fees: Varies. Typically, around 0.0001% per participant per round, or about 0.005%
🔹Minimum amount: Varies

I created the list myself and didn't copy anyone. It's just that some blogs copy-pasted this topic and make it their own.
7132  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 26, 2018, 02:15:08 AM
We should give it 3 months at least to see how it goes. After we will see better the advantages and disadvantages
7133  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Minimising Capital Gains Tax on Cryptocurrencies on: January 26, 2018, 01:16:35 AM
It may not work in all countries but:

- In some countries, donations are not taxed. So donate the money to your brother (0% tax)
  then your brother donate to your sister (0% tax) and finally, your sister donate to you (0% tax)  Cheesy

- Buy gold with cryptos, once you receive the gold bars, sell them

- Use decentralized exchanges

- Move to a country without taxes on capital gains for 6 months

- Pay the taxes in your country, because it is somewhat for your own benefits too.
7134  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [LIST] Free EU bank accounts that you can be opened directly online on: January 26, 2018, 12:50:44 AM
Nah I bet the problem is something else
Using your main bank account to receive frequently and/or large amounts, the bank suspect you to run a business.

Their problem isn't really that you have a business but the fact that you're using your main account with it, which is forbidden by any decent bank. You are supposed to have a business account.

Now, what do they call huge amount received to think it's a business may be different from bank to bank. But in my country, once you received 5000€ within 30 days the system give you a red flag and all info are forwarded to a govt. institution that will check carefully your banking history to look for any illegal activity done.

These "neo banks" are not much different from the traditional banks as we know it. They still need to abide by the laws for criminal activities, money laundering, etc.

We are really fucked with the banksin Europe
7135  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Cryptopia command line interface? on: January 26, 2018, 12:19:03 AM
Are you using Bittrex's API to do it? Because Cryptopia has public and private API as well.
So it should be possible to do it like how you're doing with Bittrex.

There is this framework on GitHub to connect to different websites CryptoFyer 0.5 (never tested so no idea) Perhaps it can help you directly or indirectly with the code and giving you a hint.
7136  Other / Meta / Re: Merit - A definition of, Rich people maintain Rich, POOR people will be POOR on: January 25, 2018, 11:35:06 PM

I am working on something on BPIP which will let users easily report Merit they believe has been given disingenuously.  
How often are the stats supposed to be updated on your site?
Because the homepage looks like fresh from yesterday or today but while checking using the member UID I see the last update us n 21 or 22
7137  Other / Meta / Re: Merit is the evil of the Forum. on: January 25, 2018, 06:39:44 PM

Over 34 threads about the new system, in less than 24 hours (0.o)
7138  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 25, 2018, 12:59:50 AM
Ok, I've understood all about this new system, however I have a consideration:

I usually go to the Beginners & Help forum, so that I can help newbies, I like it. But why I'll do this now? The newbies don't have sMerit to send me if they like my post, right?

Maybe you guys should think in something else in order to solve this and help the community to grow even more.

The newbies didn't have sMerit before, so what?. Can't you help people for free without looking to get something back? So then if a day you have a question or need something we will be able to ask you what we get to help you?
It doesn't hurt to help, you never know if a day you will need help as well, it is what we call a community!
7139  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: January 24, 2018, 11:41:02 PM
The minimum to credit should be 0.00000001 merit. At least with respect to Bitcoin.  Cheesy Cheesy
7140  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A good way to monetize Bitcoin in Europe: can you recommend one? on: January 24, 2018, 10:12:53 PM
It's not so easy these days, because as you have mentioned the bitcoin debit card issuer WaveCrest were forced to stop it's business because of violating VISA's rules. That made XAPO and the others to stop the card business and now we're waiting for them to find another card issuer company. If you had a XAPO card, I presume you were verified at XAPO, so why not just send out EUR from XAPO to your bank account? (If you didn't have XAPO card, then it's not an option, but you can search for it if XAPO allows EUR withdrawal to Europe or not, if yes, you can open an account).
You can also check localbitcoins as well, you can find buyers who will use bank transfer to buy bitcoin, but take extra care because of the scammers

Not easy? How it's difficult? The Bitcoin prepaid cards are not the only solution, and there are better solutions than a card.
You are surely not a European citizen otherwise you would not say such thing.

@abioganga can easily join Kraken, sell his coins and request a SEPA transfer. If he requests the SEPA before 11.00 am his bank account will be credited the same day before 07.00 pm. Can't really make it faster and easier. I take Kraken as an example but it's the same with the majority having SEPA.
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