This is that PSU that has 4 PCI-E connections but only comes with 3 cables. Odd.

They gonna sell modules? Do you know how much? I assume they will come with the proper length data cables, right, so they can reach the modules all the way in the back. Now, how much per module.

I have a KNC Saturn myself and my Dad also has a KNC Saturn himself. Then we have three other friends that all bought Saturn's. None of did any mining before, this was all new to us. My friends received their miners that first week KNC shipped out and I received mine two weeks later along with my Dad. Thankfully they all were performing very well with great hash rates and low error rates. BTC was $150/US at this time and was $69 way back in July for a low. So not much action going on.

Since we weren't expert miners, this adventure was hit or miss. You basically get your miner, make sure it works good mechanically and set yourself up with a pool. We all didn't want to use the same pool because we couldn't figure out what pool to use. We had no idea. I liked BTC Guild instantly because of the refined web pages, information easily accessible and manual payout process. So me and my dad went with BTC Guild, while the others agreed to use different pools. The other pools were Bitminter, Eligius, and Slush. So we have 5 Saturn's all operating great using 5 different pools. We were going to decide after 30 days which pool we would all stick with.

Right away my earnings at BTC Guild was around .5 bitcoin a day. The first couple of weeks we all practically had the same results. While it took Eligius and Slush to payout FOREVER, they still eventually got paid. Another couple of weeks, bitcoin rising but not much change except we all were getting a little lower earnings. We kept at it. Making sure our hardware was tip top, things running good, low error rates, whatever we could do. Then the bitcoin increase started moving much more quickly. This is when we all started to expereince issues with all of the pools we were on, except Slush's pool. Me and my Dad at the Guild, our earnings just dropped through the floor. We were making %90 less then what we were 3 weeks ago. Eligius connection issues werer rampid and payouts were barely nothing and took forever. Bitminter stats dropped in two weeks more then in one month. The only person still in the game and even making more money was our friend on the Slush's pool. We were all thinking if the bitcoin pricing is rising so quickly we'll make more money, but for some reason that was not true on BTC Guild, Eligius, and Bitminter. I have asked in the forum pool threads about this but the responses I received back were pretty vague and a little hard to understand. The BTC Guild operator was nice and did engage in some conversation but all I wanted to know was why out of the 4 pools we used only one of them was actually making more money due to the bitcoin price rise? I tried the Slush's pool myself and hated the interface so much I just couldn't mine there. I just settled and stayed with BTC Guild since that's where I started.

I can't speak for other pools but why was Eligius, Guild and Bitminter having such a hard time making miners any coin at this point in time? Seriously, are there programming techniques embedded into the programming to stop giving more bitcoin at a certain level or bitcoin price? We were all confused on why this happened since we all thought it was a universal thing that if bitcoin price rose up you would make more. A lot of people will drop the "difficulty" word out, but that only happened once during all this and it was only %2, not like %5 or more.

I'm not luring in people for arguments or such technical speak no one understands, but more of a conventional laymans talk about why such events could have happened. And of course if you don't have anything nice to say, please hold your tongue and move on to the newbie section and scare the kids or something. We are just trying to extract as much layman information out of this so it doesn't get to technical that no one understands it. Of course this is the whole reason why I think pool operators have the upper hand on everything anyway. No one really understands what's going unless they are top contenders on that pool....and you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Really, thanks for reading and having the patience. This is a small adventure a group of guys took and we are learning as we go and I just happen to be the one that speaks the most...so here I am. And by no means am I affiliated in anyway with Slush's pool at all.

This shit only happens when BTC prices rise to very highs. Seems every pool is having "issues" when bitcoin  prices goes this high. A little odd to me.


It's like a big casino, just raking in the money off the top. If you own the Casino that's what you would do....don't think it doesn't happen.

Both me and my Dad's Saturn earnings have dropped considerably here. I just want to confirm, just a couple weeks ago we were at .4 24 hour earnings. Right now both of us are at .13% now. Are those earnings ever likely to rise at all, or that's basically what we are looking at with 280Gh/s average here now? I know, everyone throws the luck word at me and I guess it does sound like whining a bit, but you do take %3 fee so you are making something right? I guess I'm just looking for an advanced user to indicate we'll never see our earnings go back up or we eventually will. Things are moving very fast. When we first started we were at .5%. How quickly it drops, but in my mind I'm thinking hey BTC price is rising big time....I'll make a little more return, but in fact making less. Trying to wrap that around my head, that's all.

Sorry if I seem like a novice, I am. We all started at some point, right?

Everyone tells me "aw, you pay to  much to mine at the Guild", but then finding out about the perks and  you are actually paying fees equaling to almost that of the Guild it almost doesn't make much sense to switch pools for a lesser fee, right?

Bitminter pool is new to me. I've been mining at BTC Guild with good results but when BTC prices kept getting higher the less and less I was making. It just didn't seem right and I can't take hours out of my day to understand how it all works. They have a %3 fee, but Bitminter has fees also. That %1.5 prepay fee that defaults plus the standard fee right? I'm just learning my way through all these pools trying to find a good home permanently. One thing that the Guild does have is a manual payout process. Why doesn't any of the pools have this? Since I'm dealing with so little amounts here, it is nice to have a manual payout process. Maybe Bitminter has it and I'm unaware of it?

Anyway, I switched over to Bitminter around 5pm EST today and I'll see what kind of rewards I have tomorrow around this time. That should at least give me an estimate of a 24 hour earning period, right? Maybe this will be my new home. I only have 275Gh/s of hasing power and my Dad also has the same. I'll be bringing him along with me if the numbers are good here. Right now I left the prepay FEE on, as I wanted to find out if other pools do that same "perk" or not. Is that a standard thing to do or do all pools just pay right away? God the questions.
Well hello.

Thank you. This is all new to me and I'm still learning how a pool works and why the numbers do what they do. I guess I got a little depressed when I saw a huge BTC price increase and then my pool earnings drop considerably at the same time. I never saw my earnings drop so quickly as the BTC price rose just as quick.

I definitely had .4 .5 earnings at BTC Guild when I first started. It fluctuated a little bit but never went down to .1. I don't understand all the technical aspects so when I see such coincidences happen when BTC prices rise so quickly what else to believe? So from what you just said my 24 hour earnings will increase again?

But my earnings aren't increasing along with getting better luck, unless there is a catch up or lag in the system?

I'd love a couple extra modules for my Saturn, but I also would be very hesitant to order fro KNC in thinking I would be getting repaired or sub-standard parts for a premium price. The last thing I want to buy new is an already fixed/repaired module. A buying customer deserves new %100 working electronics, don't they? The thing is, I don't trust them anymore....to spend thousands again.

From reading previous posts all I get out of is luck? I've had static almost no change in payout until BTC price went up, and all this boils down to is just luck? It's an odd coincidence that soon as BTC rises my earnings start to drop. Are there pools out there that this behavior doesn't happen or are they all based on luck also?

Been mining at BTC Guild for several weeks now. My 24 hour earnings always have been .4 or .5. All of a sudden since BTC prices have gone up my 24 hour earnings have dropped to .1 from a .4 in less then 24 hours. Can someone in laymans terms let me why this is happening? Is it time to look for another pool? What can I do to get back my original .4 24 hour earnings. My hash rate has actually increased just a tad and still the earnings dropped. I don't understand totally all the math behind everything, but when BTC is at an all time high, it just seems a little weird my earnings all of a sudden drop when I've been mining for weeks with the same output.

i'm seeing weird things I don't understand myself. My 24 hour earning were .5 and soon as BTC prices increased that 24 hour earning started dropping and I have been mining there for weeks straight.

Man this forum is full of BS. If you take out all the bullshit, it probably would be only 100 pages. Then I hear someone sent someone BTC to the wrong address. How is that even possible? A BTC address is so unique you have to not paying attention big time to make a mistake like that.

I wish they would sell modules to current customer's so they can upgrade if they wanted to.

Damn, preev is WAY off.

THEN I enter the payout queue? So it could be weeks before get my tiny little payout? What if it was a lot of bitcoin? Last time I deal with a pool that no manual payout. Thanks.

I'd love to scam a couple of modules and turn my Saturn into a Jupiter!


Does Bitcoinorama work for KNC? Or just a large buyer?

We've all made them rich so it isn't in their best interest to try and please us anymore. They already have what they want ( our money ) and once companies have your money they get compliant.

God no, The Armory is even worse. Their latest version you need at least 64bit OS with over 8GB of memory for it to even start working properly. I've been using Multibit with great success.