BTW, the only people that will benefit from removing the blue power cables inside and going directly into the power supply are the ones that have a struggling power supply to begin with. If you power cables are warm to the touch like mine were with my 850 watt power supply I upgraded to a 1000 watt and the power cables are not warm to the touch anymore. Exact watt/amp readings with or without extra power cables.

Here in the US we all received our miners in October and going forward. The colder months were just starting. I don't think people realize how much trouble they are going to be in when the outside temps start to increase. It won't be a simple idea as paying for electric, but paying a lot extra and more for air conditioning to keep the rigs cool. When we had a few days if just 65 degrees out, I had to remove the top case of my Saturn, upgraded Jupiter  to keep the temps in check. When people start receiving Neptunes in May/June or whatever it is, the hotter days are right around the corner and my god this thread is going to fill up just about heat related issues. It does get truly tiresome going through pages of nonsense in this thread. Maybe there should be a forked off thread called KNC-Technical or something. Since KNC doesn't even offer support via their own forum and refuse to participate in the online community we have to what we have to do. Strangely KNC has even indicated they would provide support on their forum but basically went silent after that. Why even say anything at all? The last post from kncminer was in September. What's their problem, they don't like the bitcoin community, only our money?

I think a lot of people pre-ordered a monster (Netptune) and have no idea what they are getting themselves into. By the time they actually receive that rig the difficulty will much higher, possibly and likely others will deliver something so just to even think about getting your original money back you'll need every hash power you can squeeze out of it. If not, then you'll be just chasing a high you'll never end up getting.

I'm in awe my Saturn/Jupiter is still making me money, and in Q2 that will eventually cease. Once people start to need to re-wire their homes with commercial wiring/amps and commercial equipment that kind of tells me I have to bow out of the picture. I can't afford to cool and power the rig itself.

From the numbers I've seen floating around, and since not one pool operator would indugle us in the money they make I can only assume they are making from the low end $10000 to the high end to $40000 / monhtly. Still beats most 9-5 jobs out there....and if operator was losing money he wouldn't be around here anymore. Average it out at $20kmonth and the operator is hauling in $240000. Most more then most people I know. A lot more. They are living quite comfortably it seems. Don't let 'em fool ya!

And this is why I constantly cash my money out of my accounts and then trade that money for gold. Put the gold into a safe in my home that isn't going anywhere. I'd rather have gold any day over real money. Let the US banks fall and crash. This country really needs a good restart. It is the banking industry that is killing this country to being with. They'll stop at nothing to keep their profits high and when they start losing just a little bit or make a little less profit they go crying like babies and threaten the people with dooms day bullshit. This country unfortunately is ran by greed, not capitalism. But then again, both are the same.

I look forward to the day. I'll just sit home with my Remington and watch some DVD's.

I have always received their newsletters also...but did not on the last one. I checked my account and I'm on their email list. So their systems never sent out an email. Have to keep checking the site apparently.

I don't really think it is cheap. If you are all wired for 100 amps / 110v and want to switch or upgrade to 200+ amp and 240v then even your wires in the walls should be changed over to accommodate  and that is very expensive to do. Even though I have Central AC I did install a large 24BTU AC unit in one of my windows for extra cooling and have to take two breakers to make a 240v plug for it. That work itself, if I didn't do it myself would of cost me $300. And that was for just wiring one outlet not replacing anything at the panel. Maybe it is different in the more rural areas in the US. I don't know what other homes have, but as I said before my home is only about 10 years old or so and only has 100 amp panel.

I have a newly built 3 bedroom, two full bathroom house and it came with an 100amp panel. I also have central AC, washer, dryer, all that other stuff too, but the main panel is just 100 amps. 200 amps is if you have an extraordinary large house or have special requirements. It is certainly not the norm for a single family home in the US.

I was looking for that difference I guess. When I see 1 bitcoin in my dashboard does that mean you already have .3 of it?



Ok, that's easy enough. And the pool operator gets %3 of every block we find which is 25 BTC at the moment. That is approx $18k USD. Operator brings in about $540 for every block and how many blocks does the pool solve in a day? Trust me, not good at math at all, am I correct in trying to figure out how much the pool owner makes? Let's say it takes 10 minutes to solve each block, (usually is 4 minutes) but giving a big buffer here. So 6 blocks solved each hour, 6*24 = 144 blocks solved each day. 144 * $540 = $77k. I must be doing something wrong. Can a math genius help on this? I'm just curious to know how much a pool operator makes if %3 is the cut. I'm only asking here cause I mine on this pool and there is a fee. I probably fumbled the math big time, so I do apologize if it is not correct. I do expect it to be wrong, cause $77k seems way too high.

Thank you

Right now their website is offline.

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Can someone show me the math on how to calculate the fee's I'm paying here? I know it is %3, but I want to know how much I've actually given to The Guild over the amount of time I have been here. Of course it isn't one of our charts.

This was basically a yes or no answer. My god, you wrote a book and just confused more people. This is my opinion. The only way KNC will ever deliver anymore jupiters is if other companies start releasing miners before their Neptunes comes out. They would hate to see customer's throwing money at another company and apparently there is no loyalty in this business. Still in the back of my mind from their news letter two weeks+ ago, "So keep some coins handy as we expect them to go quick.". Handy for that Neptune listing that went up you mean.

I think I meant to say speed issues and not connection issues. Previously my hash rate would be at a 550-560 according to my dashboard and now it is at a 520-530. Nothing has changed on my end and my miner stats are good. Low error rates, going full steam on my end. I've seen my hash rate drop, but it it has always gone back  up.  This time it has just stayed lower and not gone back up. I've tried rebooting my rig, router, everything....can't get the speeds I use to get for some reason. So for me to think it could be something with the pool is only logical. I'm speaking in terms of weeks here, not days.

Because they got robbed. And some are pretty pissed they had to shell out $13k and then they listed them for $10k to everyone.

Two weeks ago they told us to have some coin ready/handy. Why would they tell us that and then not put anything up for sale as indicated? Then, before the so called Jupiter sale a Neptune sale happens. Kind of perfect timing to me. I wouldn't put it past them at all for advertising a very sought after item, then put up pre-orders for another months and months away. People don't realize Q2 is half a year away. Dumping $13k or even $10k for something that far away is truly a die hard gamble and does take some big balls. My balls aren't big enough for that.

I think the pool operator needs to hire someone to help him out. I also have been experiecing some connection issues myself. Take some of those fees you take from us and hire an expert for some contracting work. Make them sign a disclosure agreement and just get everything back up and running %100 again. You don't use the free service of cloudflare, do you? I hope  you at least have CloudFlare business. Anything less doesn't have any protection really.

"SOLD FROM STOCK" means what it says, SOLD FROM STOCK. Where in the world would you put together they would have to make them? If they had to make them and put them together and all that, they probably wouldn't have said SOLD FROM STOCK. It was a BALK KNC did to make people get some coin and not purchase from a competitor. Then the Neptune sales came out. It was just a marketing tactic.

I dumped everything to my local armory wallet. It isn't so much I don't trust armory, but I don't trust the guy trying to hack into them right now looking to steal all my coins.

Yep, that was the problem. Having the wrong time on the VM. It screwed up my local transaction logs and such. After a reset, time change and re-scan all went back to normal. When I send coin I see it come up instantly in my armory wallet. Of course waiting on transactions, but it is there immediately.

I get it. Got to get that brown nosin' in to maybe secure some freebies later on or preferred treatment. My large testicles don't allow me to do that.

From KNC's own news letter:

"we may be in a position to release Jupiter’s and possibly upgrade cards which we will ship from stock."

And you say, "Of course they're not in stock". That's not a run on sentence. "from stock" applies to Jupiter's and upgrade cards according to the English language.

Why do you need to be in communication with them all the time? What would you talk to them about?