I will admit I do not have ALL the facts. I can't keep track of them all and I can guarantee the truthful/real facts we will never really know. I thought this power of the people thing would at least get your attention and make BFL really think about what they've done already. Seriously, if there isn't a working prototype yet I can almost bet no one will get a BFL ASIC unit until the winter holiday time. The process of making something new never done before rarely ever works the first time around. If you put all your eggs in the chips you guys just made then maybe that's just another monster bad decision by BFL again. I myself don't have the right to "start" anything, but my friends are all too optimistic and happy all the time and let people walk all over them and take advantage of how nice they are. Who is actually leading BFL? Who's making these decisions? My friends jumped on the opportunity instantly because of the financial reward to get a first ASIC's. But when other companies that weren't even considered because they weren't even a company (the one ran by the kid) who are actually shipping ASIC units across the world now really makes BFL look pretty bad. And my friends are scratching their heads like what just happened here? Nothing was ever guaranteed to them, but they obviously backed the wrong horse in this race for sure. As a lot of people are still scratching their heads. I asked a question about how long people are really willing to wait? No one answered. To me this means people are willing to wait indefinitely on just the hope they will actually receive something here. If you really aren't attached to your money that closely, then by all means I'll be making my own ASIC miner and will have it on sale in 2016. I'll create a rude pre-order page you can order from and I'll go on vacation with your money and maybe I'll get around to making some hardware. This is not a personal issue here, it's all business.

In my opinion, no working prototype in the electronics industry = at least 6 more months until a finished product rolls off the line. If you don't have a working prototype then you have nothing at all.

It is amazing you guys are receiving your miners. I'm a little jealous because of the easy money you guys are getting. You can actually buy a cheap car in a few months with the money you get. Or pay multiple mortgage payments. That's why I'm jealous, not because you are making good money but because I cannot! I come on the forums once in a while to get news on BFL shipments and stuff and it's just another day of nothing I guess. Oh well, what can you do. Sometimes people just don't back the right horse. It happens.

I have a quick question, when I'm selling my bitcoins via the site you are buying them at a lower price then what is the current rate, I just was curious, this is how you guys make money and stay in business right? I'm just curious as to how that buy number is calculated. I would assume it is a certain percentage of the current rate, right? Seriously, I'm just curious about it, that's all.

I received the board with the chip on it and some notes that came along with it. Says ASIC right on the board and it looks like there was a heat sink on the chip at one point but looks like a little glue on there. I want to remove the glue without destroying the chip. I know Acetone works great with removing just about anything but will that affect the chip itself? Several people did email indicating they may be able to help with this project and I'm this much closer to maybe getting something done. If you are a good programmer, can make/create drivers so we can interface with this let me know. I'll respond to the people who already messaged me. Of course once it is complete you'll get a free miner. NOT a scam here. Willing to pay and very serious about this. This is NOT a big operation like Avalon or others. We are just a few tech guys that wanted to give this a try and are stuck at the programming/interface portion here.

I will take some hi-res pictures.

Thanks

A lot of people don't even know they never made a single thing and are just reselling other people's stuff. Very lame. We have the power to shut them down. Get our money back and put our money into a company that has already shown a viable working product. Avalon could be one of them. The only way that would happen is if we all get together and do this.

Everyone will always read between the lines and spew out their own opinions, how accurate or not. Obviously the intention is not to stop or hold up BFL from moving forward but the exact opposite. If we apply a little pressure maybe we can get them to work a little more efficient. I'm always wondering in the back of my mind why didn't BFL just get business loans like a normal company would on this project. Hell, even Kickstarter would have been a better option then just take people's money and have them expect something in return.

Because that order isn't all mine. I have someone else's money in that order so I cannot cancel it without their permission. I think you are missing the point here. You are actually more interested and intrigued in my orders and history then the big picture. No wonder why BFL was able to suck in hundreds of thousands of dollars with no proof of anything. A lot of people are limited in their thinking I guess.

You were responding to Koolio when you asked that question, not me. I'll just add that you never included all other ASIC miners other then BFL that are out there. Isn't another company making their own and not selling but mining for themselves bringing huge mining power to the network?

I already have. I had three orders in for SC's, since I can't pay for them all at once cause I'm not made of money like some other people are. I've already canceled two of those orders because I could be making more money with that money just sitting there in someone else's pocket. The people that don't agree with me are the ones that have money and don't care a lot of their money is tied up making them no money. Ok, now you go.

How naive we all were at this point.

Instead of sitting here pulling our puds everyday why not we group together and finally put some pressure on BFL? Apparently nothing seems to work verbally and nothing has actually come out of anything. If we all request refunds on a multi-group level maybe they will actually see how serious we are and won't constantly be taken advantage of every day while using our money for whatever bad decisions they keep making. Since it was our mistake into thinking BFL would produce a working miner we were all thinking about the money we could make with them and BFL knew that and took advantage of that and put up ridiculous time frames they knew they would not hit. Then just have been stringing us a long for months and months about delays. They took advantage of us, now lets take advantage of them. If they see so many refund refund requests they might actually start to listen and take us seriously. If they can't produce those refunds I'm sure they'll have plenty of legal issues on their hands. This isn't to start problems, these problems all were started when BFL began falsifying dates and putting up promises they knew they would not be be able to fulfill. Really people, when do we say when? If a credit card company gives you money and you don't pay one month they are on your ass right away. Since we basically have given BFL financial loans here why don't we request interest on the loans we gave them? We haven't received any product in return, so it is basically a loan. We should be making money on our loan we gave them? When is enough? 2 months? 5 months? 8 months? 10 months? 12 months? 2 years? We really need to make a decision here. I'm not an early adopter like a lot of people are here, and I feel really bad for the people that have been waiting for such a long time. If I knew I gave someone a few thousand dollars and then 12 months later find out other customers of another company that started even later then BFL, has a smaller staff and a lot less experience are making $200-$250/day I'd be quite pissed off. No big screen TV!

I apologize if this post "offends" anyone but I was brought up to make my own decisions and not always worrying about what other people think about it. Maybe other people want to comment or put a little finesse into it? Can always use a little polishing.

I don't think 12 months is a difficult number. I'm not talking now, I'm talking when people actually get their BFL units. I've already seen screen shots of Avalon tracking numbers and they are on their way. Avalon's first batch will be in the hands of all their customers obviously before BFL even has a working prototype, so at that point it will probably take a year or so to make $1300 worth of BTC.

Hiring one person temporarily to handle shipping and paper work is not making a company larger. People pre-paid for all these units and I'm almost %100 positive that the owner has made a profit here. Hire someone that needs a job to handle all the customer relations stuff and stop complaining about no sleep.

What bothers me about BFL they seem to casually go to work 9am and leave their office at 5pm like there's nothing going on here. Just another day of taking pre-orders and sucking the money out of innocent people.  If they really wanted to make things happen they would be working around the clock 24/7 getting their shit done. Not taking pre-order money and going on vacations and eating out every night. Apparently they aren't working on finishing their ASIC products so they have to be doing something. I agree with you %100. Avalon's 2nd batch will most likely be in the hands of buyers BEFORE BFL gets their first shipment out. I'm seriously thinking BFL won't deliver until around the holidays this winter. They'll start to use the holiday rush and schedule as excuses for more delays at that time. It is expected of them right now.

For Windows mostly everyone uses http://www.gpg4win.org/ and I've been using that for a long time myself. Very easy to setup and use.

I'm confused. Don't these units come all ready working with fans installed and all that?

This really makes Butterfly look like idiots. A young kid against an entire company and the entire company can't even produce a working prototype? And Avalon is already shipping? Jesus man, what corruption.

I definitely will. I spoke to him today and he's getting all their notes and stuff together. I'm waiting eagerly myself on seeing this first hand.

A lot of people leech off their own companies electric bill. That's not the way I would want to be running my rigs, and that's why I chose not to invest into GPU mining. I know a lot of people don't care and just do it anyway, but that would bother me if I didn't pay for the electric.

Hypothetical speaking of course....

When BFL delivers all their ASIC units. Difficulty level is 20 billion and even buying 10 SC's rigs is pretty much useless, what is BFL going to do then? Is there a newer technology out there or something? I'm confused as to what their next business step is? Will they support/honor all the existing hardware they sold?