Cricket match prediction discussions

[Ayers]

Just for fun, once I want ICC or PCB to get overconfident or daring and go without BCCI in any ICC event barring WTC as it won't have a big impact.

If a tournament does well in terms of numbers without India then it'll be a big win for everyone and it'll humble BCCI to not pull out this sort of card ever. At the same time if the opposite happens then well we know the script, don't we?

It is time for ending this debate and it is possible just if they have balls and go ahead without India in any ICC event because if they want to end these issues its good time for having changes like these just leave this all and go ahead if they succeeded then surely Indian authorities will think about their stance about Pakistan and if we have failure for the ICC then surely they have to accept this reality and it is also going to end for Pakistan in ICC and ACC events for long time.

But, currently in ICC no one going to dare this because we all know how things are going and how they are managing so right now for some time this all is going as we have right now with Pakistan is not going to host and ICC is not going to interfere in this all and due to huge finances shareholder India will take his advantages like they are doing.

Right now almost 90% of the whole ICC audience is Indian. So I do not think anyone is going to dare fight against India for anything, ICC also knows that very well. If they have any problems with India, or if they do anything that India does not like at this moment, they are going to lose a lot of viewers. ICC will definitely not like that to happen. Already there is no India versus Pakistan series. So that has already brought down the viewership quite a lot. And there is also a reason why ICC does not tell India anything about that, the reason is what I just mentioned above.

So now I do not think anyone is going to dare going against India. And let's be honest, Pakistan did that because Pakistan had to. And another thing is, the Pakistani players and the Indian players do not have any problems with each other. It is just because of the politics.

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[Sithara007]

Cricket was included in the Olympic Games just a few weeks back and already it is having an impact in international cricket. Oman Cricket Board has decided to form a cricket team solely comprised of citizens, so that they can compete in Asian Games and Olympics.

https://timesofoman.com/article/139411-oman-cricket-plans-to-send-all-omani-team-for-asian-games-and-olympics

So far Oman Cricket has identified a pool of 16 natives, to be captained by Sufyan Mehmood. They are planning to expand this to 20. This is a good sign, BTW. Ideally only citizens should be permitted to take part in national team matches. ICC has come up with this weird eligibility criteria, which makes it possible to have a national team to be comprised of 100% non-citizens.

[Marvell1]

Yes, this is definitely a good sign and this is also going to be very good for the future and longevity of cricket. We all know that right now there is a burst in popularity for football, I am talking about this decade, and at the same time we are watching the popularity of cricket actually go down when we think about the whole world. Probably the only place where cricket is and always will be popular is the subcontinent.

Anyway, because of having players from other countries, some teams were able to have an unfair advantage over others. But now that is going to change in my opinion. Now we will actually see teams having a fair chance. Those who are new are going to be able to perform better.

Cricket was included in the Olympic Games just a few weeks back and already it is having an impact in international cricket. Oman Cricket Board has decided to form a cricket team solely comprised of citizens, so that they can compete in Asian Games and Olympics.

https://timesofoman.com/article/139411-oman-cricket-plans-to-send-all-omani-team-for-asian-games-and-olympics

So far Oman Cricket has identified a pool of 16 natives, to be captained by Sufyan Mehmood. They are planning to expand this to 20. This is a good sign, BTW. Ideally only citizens should be permitted to take part in national team matches. ICC has come up with this weird eligibility criteria, which makes it possible to have a national team to be comprised of 100% non-citizens.

[noormcs5]

I much appreciate you as a strong team is India U19 but on the other hand, you already watched the performance of Azan's 105 runs from 130 balls, also watch the performance of Saad's 68 runs from 51 balls, and the most attacking batsman 63 runs from 88 balls. Best wishes for Pakistani Cricket U19. Congratulations on your combined performance.

Today was the match of Nepal and India, and what a great victory by India, I can't believe that a team like India can easily defeat Nepal, the Nepal team is not big but they are a good team, but on the other hand, the big team is in front of Nepal, so, of course, Nepal cannot be able to win that.

Nepal should be happy because their small team at least plays with the biggest and unluckiest team, I am saying unluckiest team because they always lose the final or semi-final, I don't need to explain that in which recent ICC tournament they lose because if you watch cricket so you knew this.

[JSRAW]

~snip~

At least something positive came out of it, which was about to happen once the Olympic tag came along with the cricket. 

It'll still take some time because atm few teams are participating in it but it's an amazing update and I am sure more associate teams will follow the same, not in the short term but surely things will look juicy in the next 4-8 years as far as local participation in the squad is concerned.

[Sithara007]

~snip~

At least something positive came out of it, which was about to happen once the Olympic tag came along with the cricket. 

It'll still take some time because atm few teams are participating in it but it's an amazing update and I am sure more associate teams will follow the same, not in the short term but surely things will look juicy in the next 4-8 years as far as local participation in the squad is concerned.

I am a bit more skeptical in case of some of the other countries. There are complaints that some of the associate boards are acting like closed cabals (especially those in Czech Republic, Norway, Belgium and many other European countries). Cricket teams in these countries are mostly comprised of medical students and temporary workers from the sub-continent. They are not interested in spreading cricket and are only interested in the funds that get disributed from ICC every year. There is no push from these boards to spread cricket to the native population, because doing so would mean distributing the ICC funds to more people.

[Juggy777]

~snip~

At least something positive came out of it, which was about to happen once the Olympic tag came along with the cricket. 

It'll still take some time because atm few teams are participating in it but it's an amazing update and I am sure more associate teams will follow the same, not in the short term but surely things will look juicy in the next 4-8 years as far as local participation in the squad is concerned.

I am a bit more skeptical in case of some of the other countries. There are complaints that some of the associate boards are acting like closed cabals (especially those in Czech Republic, Norway, Belgium and many other European countries). Cricket teams in these countries are mostly comprised of medical students and temporary workers from the sub-continent. They are not interested in spreading cricket and are only interested in the funds that get disributed from ICC every year. There is no push from these boards to spread cricket to the native population, because doing so would mean distributing the ICC funds to more people.

@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

[Sithara007]

@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on.

[wiss19]

Cricket was included in the Olympic Games just a few weeks back and already it is having an impact in international cricket. Oman Cricket Board has decided to form a cricket team solely comprised of citizens, so that they can compete in Asian Games and Olympics.

https://timesofoman.com/article/139411-oman-cricket-plans-to-send-all-omani-team-for-asian-games-and-olympics

So far Oman Cricket has identified a pool of 16 natives, to be captained by Sufyan Mehmood. They are planning to expand this to 20. This is a good sign, BTW. Ideally only citizens should be permitted to take part in national team matches. ICC has come up with this weird eligibility criteria, which makes it possible to have a national team to be comprised of 100% non-citizens.

There is no doubt we are going to have good changes in this game just because of Olympics and Asian games which have their own system and all countries need to follow this, but it's starting from Oman it's perfect news for the cricketing fans because if they will jump in this game with their native players then surely we will have good improvement in quality and performance of many countries, and they will also give this a try which is going to bring positive results for this game.

Currently, we have African region which is going mostly with their native players and now this change will surely bring change into this region as well and ASEAN is also having good chance which will bring more countries and strong control for the Asian region countries to adopt and having good revenue from this game as well.

[Sithara007]

There is no doubt we are going to have good changes in this game just because of Olympics and Asian games which have their own system and all countries need to follow this, but it's starting from Oman it's perfect news for the cricketing fans because if they will jump in this game with their native players then surely we will have good improvement in quality and performance of many countries, and they will also give this a try which is going to bring positive results for this game.

Currently, we have African region which is going mostly with their native players and now this change will surely bring change into this region as well and ASEAN is also having good chance which will bring more countries and strong control for the Asian region countries to adopt and having good revenue from this game as well.

African nations have made rapid progress in both men's and women's game over the years and I agree with your statement that almost all of the teams in this region are dominated by native players. In Asia, it is mixed. There are teams like UAE and Oman, which are comprised primarily of expat players, but at the same time teams like Malaysia and Nepal are 100% native. Another problematic area is Europe, where most of the teams are 100% expat. Same can be said about the North/South American teams as well. And in Oceania, it is almost all native.

[UmerIdrees]

Yesterday was the draft of PSL 9, and I think that the strongest team in this PSL is Islamad United because the main reason is that there are three brothers from Shah means Naseem Shah, Hunain Shah, and Ubaid Shah picked from Islamad United, they are all brothers and they are all play for the same team in this PSL.

And if we look at Naseem Shah's brother's performances so Hunain Shah played very well in National Cup, he equally bowling like Naseem Shah, and where the talk of Ubaid Shah so we have seen his performance in U19 Asia Cup.

[DanWalker]

There is no doubt we are going to have good changes in this game just because of Olympics and Asian games which have their own system and all countries need to follow this, but it's starting from Oman it's perfect news for the cricketing fans because if they will jump in this game with their native players then surely we will have good improvement in quality and performance of many countries, and they will also give this a try which is going to bring positive results for this game.

Currently, we have African region which is going mostly with their native players and now this change will surely bring change into this region as well and ASEAN is also having good chance which will bring more countries and strong control for the Asian region countries to adopt and having good revenue from this game as well.

African nations have made rapid progress in both men's and women's game over the years and I agree with your statement that almost all of the teams in this region are dominated by native players. In Asia, it is mixed. There are teams like UAE and Oman, which are comprised primarily of expat players, but at the same time teams like Malaysia and Nepal are 100% native. Another problematic area is Europe, where most of the teams are 100% expat. Same can be said about the North/South American teams as well. And in Oceania, it is almost all native.

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

[Webetcoins]

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

Maybe you are right in your view about this all but now this can't go for long time because we have first dropped of change through Oman and most chances as things will be gone in positive way we will have changes in teams and mostly will try to go with their native players because this is the best way and ICC surely will also act as we have rules in IOC for the games, so even money can't bring anything positive for the countries which are having adopted players.

Africa region is surely doing impressive work and now few other Asian countries are also bringing things like these which will give them better results and more money because in near future we will have more money with viewership is going to increase, but again we need strong act from the ICC which can bring good changes and more money just keep going with their positive mind for the change.

[Compromise me]

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

In my opinion, for playing cricket talent matters a lot. It doesn't depend the country is poor or rich. But one thing matters , Government supports cricket or not. If government will provide support to players them youngsters will arise. And they will be motivate and they will do hard work day and night. And one good player can make the base of country and that is good path to remains in to World of Cricket. Indian public is very passionate about cricket,that is why they are top in cricket. Population and money does not depend on quality players.

[JSRAW]

@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on.

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

[fullhdpixel]

@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on.

When we have Indian and Pakistani, and we have no scam mostly I feel joke, so things like these can go for some time and as we will have positive development and better check from ICC and domestic authorities we can expect changes as well because Czech Republic is small country which is famous for the soccer, ice hockey and tennis with not good intention for the cricket but good thing happening these guys are doing positive for the game even on papers.

Here we need ICC to have their own system as well like FIFA is doing, and their experts are going in every country where they are checking all stuff and then giving them funds which is surely helpful for the game and also increasing the game quality and performance of the many countries as well.

[JSRAW]

Not sure how it would be successful or not or pan out as they are hoping but you have to give credit to the BCCI for trying to find new ways to print money. At least In India, they are trying to tap and reach out to any potential market.

Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.


https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cricket/exclusive-bcci-readies-plans-to-launch-a-tier-2-white-ball-tournament-similar-to-ipl-11908511.html

[Sithara007]

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.

[DanWalker]

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

Maybe you are right in your view about this all but now this can't go for long time because we have first dropped of change through Oman and most chances as things will be gone in positive way we will have changes in teams and mostly will try to go with their native players because this is the best way and ICC surely will also act as we have rules in IOC for the games, so even money can't bring anything positive for the countries which are having adopted players.

Africa region is surely doing impressive work and now few other Asian countries are also bringing things like these which will give them better results and more money because in near future we will have more money with viewership is going to increase, but again we need strong act from the ICC which can bring good changes and more money just keep going with their positive mind for the change.

For ICC to actually take strong steps about this, they will definitely want to have the approval of the Indian Cricket Board. First I thought the Indian Cricket Board should not oppose this idea. But then I realized India is currently a friend of England. And England does sometimes bring players from other countries. So probably India might actually oppose this idea.

In my opinion, for playing cricket talent matters a lot. It doesn't depend the country is poor or rich. But one thing matters , Government supports cricket or not. If government will provide support to players them youngsters will arise. And they will be motivate and they will do hard work day and night. And one good player can make the base of country and that is good path to remains in to World of Cricket. Indian public is very passionate about cricket,that is why they are top in cricket. Population and money does not depend on quality players.

If a country is poor, they are going to have to worry about how to feed their people. They will have to think about the infrastructure first instead of playing cricket. They will have much more to worry about. And that will eventually make them not be very interested in cricket. And even if they start to think about cricket, they are not going to do very good at it and they will eventually end up losing money from it. So I think if a country is poor it is definitely going to have an effect.

[JSRAW]

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.

Lol love the Anant-Moitra example but anyway.

My emphasis wasn't on whether 100 bucks are sufficient amount for players or not. I was saying that even if players are set to play a minimum of 10 actual matches every year and the remaining match exists only on paper, in this case, accusations don't hold much weight because numbers are not adding up.