Cricket match prediction discussions

[Sithara007]

Scorecard and Competition grants seem thorough, but flaws lurk beneath. Scorecard Grant, balancing participation and income, is sound. But just 10% for infrastructural elements? It's the lifeblood of sports advancement. Competition Grant is on thin ice. Rewarding ICC tournament champs? Cool. Yet, no financial lifeline for teams failing World Cricket League Division 5? It's a vicious cycle for underdogs!

The Special Grant is a wild card. Bravo ICC for World Cup sweeteners! But, wouldn't nurturing budding teams, even non-finalists, lead to a cricket bloom in those regions?

I don't think that infrastructural facilities should be given weightage in funding. If the member nation doesn't get funds from the ICC, then how they are supposed to get these facilities? IMO, one important metric is missing here. They need to differentiate teams with foreign players and native players. They are not incentivizing teams like Nepal and Namibia which plays with native players, and on the other hand a higher score is given to teams like Oman and UAE as a result of infra facilities and non-ICC funding.

[eaLiTy]

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I don't think that infrastructural facilities should be given weightage in funding. If the member nation doesn't get funds from the ICC, then how they are supposed to get these facilities? IMO, one important metric is missing here. They need to differentiate teams with foreign players and native players. They are not incentivizing teams like Nepal and Namibia which plays with native players, and on the other hand a higher score is given to teams like Oman and UAE as a result of infra facilities and non-ICC funding.

One aspect i cannot understand is that, which sporting body will fund a country to build their basic infrastructure. All the basic infrastructure should be built by the respective boards and they should raise the funds with the help of private bodies and the funds provided by ICC should be used to help develop the players.

I do accept that everyone should get a fair share of the revenue and BCCI being a huge revenue generator could help other boards, other than that there is no way they are going to let go of the revenue model.

[JSRAW]

^^ BCCI might be rich and generate more than enough revenue in the context of the ICC setup.

But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

[Sithara007]

^^ BCCI might be rich and generate more than enough revenue in the context of the ICC setup.

But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

The state governments also impose tax of up to 28% over the ticket price (on top of that, they charge exorbitant amounts for providing security and ruling politicians demand thousands of complementary passes). And they never do anything for the cricket fans. I understand the criticism directed towards the BCCI, but not everything is black and white here. In India, attending cricket matches is considered as a luxury, and politicians believe that they should tax such super-rich people to the brim. An example here:

https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/thiruvananthapuram/story/kerala-minister-abdurahim-entertainment-tax-tickets-india-sri-lanka-thiruvananthapuram-odi-2319587-2023-01-10

[fuguebtc]

^^ BCCI might be rich and generate more than enough revenue in the context of the ICC setup.

But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

The state governments also impose tax of up to 28% over the ticket price (on top of that, they charge exorbitant amounts for providing security and ruling politicians demand thousands of complementary passes). And they never do anything for the cricket fans. I understand the criticism directed towards the BCCI, but not everything is black and white here. In India, attending cricket matches is considered as a luxury, and politicians believe that they should tax such super-rich people to the brim. An example here:

https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/thiruvananthapuram/story/kerala-minister-abdurahim-entertainment-tax-tickets-india-sri-lanka-thiruvananthapuram-odi-2319587-2023-01-10

The problem is almost all the politicians in the subcontinent are corrupt. And another big problem is India is mostly run by the Modi government. There is basically no opposition party in India. So if the general population has any problem, they cannot say anything because the government will send people who basically “does not exist” to “handle” the situation.

In other countries, we see that if the general population has any problem with the opposition party raises voice, and the government takes that into consideration and makes the changes that are needed. But India basically has become a dictatorship under the Modi government. So whatever the politicians do is going to be the final decision.

[Vaskiy]

^^ BCCI might be rich and generate more than enough revenue in the context of the ICC setup.

But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

The state governments also impose tax of up to 28% over the ticket price (on top of that, they charge exorbitant amounts for providing security and ruling politicians demand thousands of complementary passes). And they never do anything for the cricket fans. I understand the criticism directed towards the BCCI, but not everything is black and white here. In India, attending cricket matches is considered as a luxury, and politicians believe that they should tax such super-rich people to the brim. An example here:

https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/thiruvananthapuram/story/kerala-minister-abdurahim-entertainment-tax-tickets-india-sri-lanka-thiruvananthapuram-odi-2319587-2023-01-10

The problem is almost all the politicians in the subcontinent are corrupt. And another big problem is India is mostly run by the Modi government. There is basically no opposition party in India. So if the general population has any problem, they cannot say anything because the government will send people who basically “does not exist” to “handle” the situation.

In other countries, we see that if the general population has any problem with the opposition party raises voice, and the government takes that into consideration and makes the changes that are needed. But India basically has become a dictatorship under the Modi government. So whatever the politicians do is going to be the final decision.

Agreed, but there were more things that comes into the priority. Just on humanity basis there is no support for the people. In such a situation we can't expect things to happen in order with cricket. Political involvement shouldn't be there with politics. This is where we can experience the change. Even the players are worse, because they complete their days in cricket. Once after that joins the political party. In recent years more players have joined under Modi which should have never happened. Just for their own goodness they join parties.

[JSRAW]

^^ BCCI might be rich and generate more than enough revenue in the context of the ICC setup.

But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

The state governments also impose tax of up to 28% over the ticket price (on top of that, they charge exorbitant amounts for providing security and ruling politicians demand thousands of complementary passes). And they never do anything for the cricket fans. I understand the criticism directed towards the BCCI, but not everything is black and white here. In India, attending cricket matches is considered as a luxury, and politicians believe that they should tax such super-rich people to the brim. An example here:

https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/thiruvananthapuram/story/kerala-minister-abdurahim-entertainment-tax-tickets-india-sri-lanka-thiruvananthapuram-odi-2319587-2023-01-10

Yeah, that's absolutely correct but i'd blame BCCI for this as well. They have the power of distributing revenue, they actually control it and if they are determined then they could just fix such an issue or minimize the damage by just stopping funding the state board or at least advocate some sort of penalties.

Just recently they handed out more than 500 crores INR to 10 WC venues for renovation. Upgradation of the Outfield, lights, and new tech integration all are important but when 100s of crores are spent i am sure they could take care of small things (food, hygiene etc)as well, which is a basic need for the spectators.

[fuguebtc]

^^ BCCI might be rich and generate more than enough revenue in the context of the ICC setup.
But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

The state governments also impose tax of up to 28% over the ticket price (on top of that, they charge exorbitant amounts for providing security and ruling politicians demand thousands of complementary passes). And they never do anything for the cricket fans. I understand the criticism directed towards the BCCI, but not everything is black and white here. In India, attending cricket matches is considered as a luxury, and politicians believe that they should tax such super-rich people to the brim. An example here:
https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/thiruvananthapuram/story/kerala-minister-abdurahim-entertainment-tax-tickets-india-sri-lanka-thiruvananthapuram-odi-2319587-2023-01-10

The problem is almost all the politicians in the subcontinent are corrupt. And another big problem is India is mostly run by the Modi government. There is basically no opposition party in India. So if the general population has any problem, they cannot say anything because the government will send people who basically “does not exist” to “handle” the situation.
In other countries, we see that if the general population has any problem with the opposition party raises voice, and the government takes that into consideration and makes the changes that are needed. But India basically has become a dictatorship under the Modi government. So whatever the politicians do is going to be the final decision.

Agreed, but there were more things that comes into the priority. Just on humanity basis there is no support for the people. In such a situation we can't expect things to happen in order with cricket. Political involvement shouldn't be there with politics. This is where we can experience the change. Even the players are worse, because they complete their days in cricket. Once after that joins the political party. In recent years more players have joined under Modi which should have never happened. Just for their own goodness they join parties.

Well, of course, the players are going to join the party of Modi. Because if someone is actually supporting the opposition party, they will have a huge list, even on their life, let alone their career. So right now, even if people genuinely don’t like the Modi government they are still joining because they want to have the privileges that come with being in support with the government. And eventually, that is making the government stronger. This is just the opposite of what should have been happening. When people are joining the government instead of raising a voice against them, you know that the situation is bad.

[romero121]

^^ BCCI might be rich and generate more than enough revenue in the context of the ICC setup.
But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

The state governments also impose tax of up to 28% over the ticket price (on top of that, they charge exorbitant amounts for providing security and ruling politicians demand thousands of complementary passes). And they never do anything for the cricket fans. I understand the criticism directed towards the BCCI, but not everything is black and white here. In India, attending cricket matches is considered as a luxury, and politicians believe that they should tax such super-rich people to the brim. An example here:
https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/thiruvananthapuram/story/kerala-minister-abdurahim-entertainment-tax-tickets-india-sri-lanka-thiruvananthapuram-odi-2319587-2023-01-10

The problem is almost all the politicians in the subcontinent are corrupt. And another big problem is India is mostly run by the Modi government. There is basically no opposition party in India. So if the general population has any problem, they cannot say anything because the government will send people who basically “does not exist” to “handle” the situation.
In other countries, we see that if the general population has any problem with the opposition party raises voice, and the government takes that into consideration and makes the changes that are needed. But India basically has become a dictatorship under the Modi government. So whatever the politicians do is going to be the final decision.

Agreed, but there were more things that comes into the priority. Just on humanity basis there is no support for the people. In such a situation we can't expect things to happen in order with cricket. Political involvement shouldn't be there with politics. This is where we can experience the change. Even the players are worse, because they complete their days in cricket. Once after that joins the political party. In recent years more players have joined under Modi which should have never happened. Just for their own goodness they join parties.

Well, of course, the players are going to join the party of Modi. Because if someone is actually supporting the opposition party, they will have a huge list, even on their life, let alone their career. So right now, even if people genuinely don’t like the Modi government they are still joining because they want to have the privileges that come with being in support with the government. And eventually, that is making the government stronger. This is just the opposite of what should have been happening. When people are joining the government instead of raising a voice against them, you know that the situation is bad.

Another worst thing that had happened with Indian cricket is the naming of ground in the name of the Prime Minister who doesn't have any knowledge about cricket. When more and more popular sportsman who had stood strong for the country are there, the political involvement lets them name the biggest ground as Narendra Modi Stadium. Cricket is popular in India, and the same is being used by the political parties for their benefits. Mix-up of politics and sports, this could create hatred when governments overrule.

[fullhdpixel]

Another worst thing that had happened with Indian cricket is the naming of ground in the name of the Prime Minister who doesn't have any knowledge about cricket. When more and more popular sportsman who had stood strong for the country are there, the political involvement lets them name the biggest ground as Narendra Modi Stadium. Cricket is popular in India, and the same is being used by the political parties for their benefits. Mix-up of politics and sports, this could create hatred when governments overrule.

Even I am also not in favour to do things like these, but we have many sports grounds on the names of peoples those have no knowledge of games even they never play or watch this game because of their contribution for their country or other factors are also involved in this all as well.

In India, we have few other grounds as well which are named on peoples those are never involved like Rajiv Gandhi Stadium with this all I think it's never been problem in the game as I am feeling right now he is doing good for the country so having name on biggest ground of cricket is good for him and India as well.

Political Parties always uses things like these for their own sack, and it's never been new in this region as well because mostly ruling parties have tough control and good benefits for their aides.

[Dimitri94]

^^ BCCI might be rich and generate more than enough revenue in the context of the ICC setup.

But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

The state governments also impose tax of up to 28% over the ticket price (on top of that, they charge exorbitant amounts for providing security and ruling politicians demand thousands of complementary passes). And they never do anything for the cricket fans. I understand the criticism directed towards the BCCI, but not everything is black and white here. In India, attending cricket matches is considered as a luxury, and politicians believe that they should tax such super-rich people to the brim. An example here:

https://www.indiatoday.in/cities/thiruvananthapuram/story/kerala-minister-abdurahim-entertainment-tax-tickets-india-sri-lanka-thiruvananthapuram-odi-2319587-2023-01-10

The problem is almost all the politicians in the subcontinent are corrupt. And another big problem is India is mostly run by the Modi government. There is basically no opposition party in India. So if the general population has any problem, they cannot say anything because the government will send people who basically “does not exist” to “handle” the situation.

In other countries, we see that if the general population has any problem with the opposition party raises voice, and the government takes that into consideration and makes the changes that are needed. But India basically has become a dictatorship under the Modi government. So whatever the politicians do is going to be the final decision.

Agreed, but there were more things that comes into the priority. Just on humanity basis there is no support for the people. In such a situation we can't expect things to happen in order with cricket. Political involvement shouldn't be there with politics. This is where we can experience the change. Even the players are worse, because they complete their days in cricket. Once after that joins the political party. In recent years more players have joined under Modi which should have never happened. Just for their own goodness they join parties.

In most cases, players cannot be blamed because the political parties plan to add cricketers to their parity and try to take their political advantages. Staying in power when a political party invites a cricketer he has to enter politics to survive in the cricket world with honor. Though someone is involved in politics at his own wishes because he can get both power and money. But considering all the situations, cricketers should not join in any of the political team. It has a big impact on cricket and the popularity of a cricketer is down significantly.

[eaLiTy]

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But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

From what i understand the BCCI is not funding the state Cricket boards to built stadiums, all the infrastructure should be maintained by the respected owners, some are privately held and some are held by the respective state boards and the stadiums that meets the BCCI standards will get the opportunity to host International matches.

The exception you mentioned about Motera Stadium is simply because it is renovated recently, all new stadiums will have the same quality and the older it gets and the way in which they maintain, the quality goes down.

[JSRAW]

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But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

From what i understand the BCCI is not funding the state Cricket boards to built stadiums, all the infrastructure should be maintained by the respected owners, some are privately held and some are held by the respective state boards and the stadiums that meets the BCCI standards will get the opportunity to host International matches.

The exception you mentioned about Motera Stadium is simply because it is renovated recently, all new stadiums will have the same quality and the older it gets and the way in which they maintain, the quality goes down.

Yeah, stadiums are built by State Governments but at the same time, every year all the funding of State Boards comes from BCCI, not State Government.

Overall i am not arguing about who maintains the stadium or built it/ownership for that matter, my whole point is every state board gets more than enough money but still spectator experience is not good due to their ignorance.

[Marvell1]

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But they are still shitty when it comes to their own cricketing infrastructure. If we leave out VIP boxes then it's a very sad situation in every stadium, Motera might be exceptional but the ones i have attended so far, the majority of em were really bad. During IPL they are okay but everything goes down to shit when it's over.

From what i understand the BCCI is not funding the state Cricket boards to built stadiums, all the infrastructure should be maintained by the respected owners, some are privately held and some are held by the respective state boards and the stadiums that meets the BCCI standards will get the opportunity to host International matches.
The exception you mentioned about Motera Stadium is simply because it is renovated recently, all new stadiums will have the same quality and the older it gets and the way in which they maintain, the quality goes down.

Yeah, stadiums are built by State Governments but at the same time, every year all the funding of State Boards comes from BCCI, not State Government.
Overall i am not arguing about who maintains the stadium or built it/ownership for that matter, my whole point is every state board gets more than enough money but still spectator experience is not good due to their ignorance.

Well, I actually don’t think we can call it ignorance. Because a nation is not going to improve when the people are going to watch cricket for hours and hours and basically be ideal. As we all know cricket is a very time consuming game. The world has moved on a lot from where it was five years ago. Now everyone is interested in earning more money. A single job is not sufficient to keep our family well-fed in most of the countries.

When we talk about the stadiums being managed properly, I think you guys are right on one thing that the stadium or not being managed properly. Because in almost all the countries, there are enough rich people who are always willing to waste money. So with proper management of the stadiums, I think any country can actually generate good enough money.

[Sithara007]

Yeah, stadiums are built by State Governments but at the same time, every year all the funding of State Boards comes from BCCI, not State Government.

Overall i am not arguing about who maintains the stadium or built it/ownership for that matter, my whole point is every state board gets more than enough money but still spectator experience is not good due to their ignorance.

In general there is a "chalta hai" attitude all across India. Tickets are in short supply and demand is huge. Administrators (both from the BCCI and state/municipal governments) think that they are doing some sort of charity by allowing fans inside the stadiums. And level of corruption is just huge. At each and every level, commissions are involved. Food vendors and washroom maintenance contractors are selected on the basis of who can pay the maximum amount of bribes, and not based on their quality of work. Given this, you should not be surprised about the lack of quality.

[fuguebtc]

Yeah, stadiums are built by State Governments but at the same time, every year all the funding of State Boards comes from BCCI, not State Government.
Overall i am not arguing about who maintains the stadium or built it/ownership for that matter, my whole point is every state board gets more than enough money but still spectator experience is not good due to their ignorance.

In general there is a "chalta hai" attitude all across India. Tickets are in short supply and demand is huge. Administrators (both from the BCCI and state/municipal governments) think that they are doing some sort of charity by allowing fans inside the stadiums. And level of corruption is just huge. At each and every level, commissions are involved. Food vendors and washroom maintenance contractors are selected on the basis of who can pay the maximum amount of bribes, and not based on their quality of work. Given this, you should not be surprised about the lack of quality.

India has actually started to get so much money from cricket that they are probably thinking this is going to be enough. Just like you said “Chalta hai“. That is not going to be good enough for them. Especially when they know that inflation is becoming unreal in recent times. And they are thinking of the fans like they are superior from the fans. They should understand that the fans are the ones keeping cricket alive. They should take care of the people who are paying to buy the tickets. But the problem is as I said the superiority complex for the people in authority. It actually exists in every country. But I don’t think it exists anywhere like it does in India. And of course, when they are going to have the “chalta hai” attitude the quality is going to be hampered.

[JSRAW]

Yeah, stadiums are built by State Governments but at the same time, every year all the funding of State Boards comes from BCCI, not State Government.

Overall i am not arguing about who maintains the stadium or built it/ownership for that matter, my whole point is every state board gets more than enough money but still spectator experience is not good due to their ignorance.

In general there is a "chalta hai" attitude all across India. Tickets are in short supply and demand is huge. Administrators (both from the BCCI and state/municipal governments) think that they are doing some sort of charity by allowing fans inside the stadiums. And level of corruption is just huge. At each and every level, commissions are involved. Food vendors and washroom maintenance contractors are selected on the basis of who can pay the maximum amount of bribes, and not based on their quality of work. Given this, you should not be surprised about the lack of quality.

"Chalta hai" Attitude might be one of the reasons but to me, main reason looks like, these guys just don't respect spectators and the public.

These folks know that there is more than enough demand and even if they treat their audience like shit, they will still come in masses.

[Sithara007]

"Chalta hai" Attitude might be one of the reasons but to me, main reason looks like, these guys just don't respect spectators and the public.

These folks know that there is more than enough demand and even if they treat their audience like shit, they will still come in masses.

If the spectators don't have self-respect then how can they demand respect from the BCCI guys and politicians? Despite being treated like shit, hardly anyone ever complains about it. In India, corruption and nepotism has become a part of the life. It is prevalent in all the sectors, including the Supreme Court and the IAS/IPS establishment. Ordinary people doesn't care about it anymore. All they care is whether they can get some freebies or not. In India, all the recent state elections were won by parties who promised freebies to the people. One celebrity even claimed that for free tickets in public transport Indian males would be ready to wear burqa:

https://twitter.com/MeghUpdates/status/1668507433751420928

Unless there is some mass boycott campaign (something similar to the one ongoing against Bollywood), no one is going to listen.

[tusandii]

Yeah, stadiums are built by State Governments but at the same time, every year all the funding of State Boards comes from BCCI, not State Government.

Overall i am not arguing about who maintains the stadium or built it/ownership for that matter, my whole point is every state board gets more than enough money but still spectator experience is not good due to their ignorance.

It is possible that the state government and also the BCCI have made an agreement by doing distribution because in every game there must be a profit from ticket sales or sponsors.
But sharing the deal can also make the stadium better because when there are improvements or upgrades it can be supported by both parties which is more feasible in terms of costs.

It also seems that it doesn't really affect the audience because everyone who comes there can watch the team they like compete for victory.

[Juggy777]

Yeah, stadiums are built by State Governments but at the same time, every year all the funding of State Boards comes from BCCI, not State Government.

Overall i am not arguing about who maintains the stadium or built it/ownership for that matter, my whole point is every state board gets more than enough money but still spectator experience is not good due to their ignorance.

It is possible that the state government and also the BCCI have made an agreement by doing distribution because in every game there must be a profit from ticket sales or sponsors.
But sharing the deal can also make the stadium better because when there are improvements or upgrades it can be supported by both parties which is more feasible in terms of costs.

It also seems that it doesn't really affect the audience because everyone who comes there can watch the team they like compete for victory.

@tusandii I don’t expect any major changes unless people stop going to stadium’s but the irony is that no one will stop because of their love for this sport and hence neither of the parties need to reinvest further for developing these stadiums. Furthermore to bring changes voice needs to raised on social media, someone influential needs to make big statements on this and only then will the general public wake-up and demand better treatment for themselves.