Cricket match prediction discussions

[bryant.coleman]

I wonder how?

All they can do is make empty threats. I don't think they don't have any guts to boycott World Cup at any cost. PCB would go bankrupt if they do this, doesn't matter who is the chairman. Don't forget in this 2024-27 cycle they are set to earn a minimum $34.5 Million every year, that's $138 Million in just 4 years. Do you think PCB wants to lose this share?

Pakistan doesn't contribute much to the ICC revenues, yet they are given a much higher share when compared to the other boards such as SLCB and CNZ (around $27-28 million each per year). If population is the criteria, then Bangladesh is also having a similar population and they are only being allotted $26 million per year. I would say that the PCB received a good deal for revenue distribution for the 2024-27 cycle. If they want to pull out of the world cup and lose that money, then it is their decision. ICC can re-distribute that amount to the associate nations.

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[Unknown Op]

Zimbabwe vs Netherlands, 5th Match, Group A match is being held at Zimbabwe's home ground. Zimbabwe are bowling the opening and Netherlands are batting they are playing well at the moment. Both the Netherlands batsmen have been showing a good game from the start and they are giving a comfortable batting performance as no wicket has fallen so far. Zimbabwe's bowlers have been bowling brilliantly in the match due to which the Netherlands have not been able to score too many runs so far. But both the teams are playing well, so far Zimbabwe has not taken a single wicket from the Netherlands. Right now Netherlands total score is 95 runs in 16 overs with no wicket falling yet they are playing brilliantly.

The Netherlands batters shown outstanding talent early on in the thrilling encounter between Zimbabwe and the Netherlands which was played on Zimbabwe home pitch. Both players put on an impressive batting display establishing a solid partnership without losing a wicket. The Zimbabwean bowlers on the other hand used clever strategy to minimise the Netherlands opportunities to score runs maintaining their total at a manageable level. As the match went on the Netherlands amassed 95 runs in 16 overs without losing a single wicket. Despite their great performance they were unable to win.

But when the match came to a close the Netherlands concluded with a score of 315 runs while also losing six wickets. Zimbabwe prevailed despite the aim being set by the Netherlands appearing to be difficult. Zimbabwe won the match demonstrating their dominance and ability to complete the chase with 55 balls remaining and six wickets still in tact. Zimbabwe gave an outstanding effort and their merited victory underlined their strong sense of unity and adept game play.

[wiss19]

@WatChe definitely Rameez would have gotten a better deal as he was a hard negotiator and probably the reason why he was immediately removed because under him PCB wouldn’t have budged for sure. Furthermore the current deal is pretty raw and definitely doesn’t do any justice to Pakistan and the only payback they can get is by skipping the World Cup and making ICC look foolish.

I wonder how?

All they can do is make empty threats. I don't think they don't have any guts to boycott World Cup at any cost. PCB would go bankrupt if they do this, doesn't matter who is the chairman. Don't forget in this 2024-27 cycle they are set to earn a minimum $34.5 Million every year, that's $138 Million in just 4 years. Do you think PCB wants to lose this share?

I agreed with this PCB have no guts to announce boycott of World Cup because with this lost of $138 Million is never been wise decision but still a good decision which is accepted by all is already done and now today I was reading now they are asking ICC for change of venues for them in coming world cup matches even this all will be as same, but they want to change teams which is clearly indicating they are preparing for this all, and they have no negativity about this all.

Today after few hours we're going to have another match between these two countries as India is hosting SAFF Championship and India vs Pakistan is going to play their first match in Bangalore with this all I understand this deadlock is only for the cricket and no other game any issue.

[WatChe]

@WatChe definitely Rameez would have gotten a better deal as he was a hard negotiator and probably the reason why he was immediately removed because under him PCB wouldn’t have budged for sure. Furthermore the current deal is pretty raw and definitely doesn’t do any justice to Pakistan and the only payback they can get is by skipping the World Cup and making ICC look foolish.

Sethi gave away everything to BCCI without getting anything in return. The ODI worldcup won't be a big success without Pakistan and that's the reason why Pakistan and India are in same group. There is no way ICC can ignore Pakistan and if Chairman PCB have shown some resistance then BCCI has no option but to accept the demands. Good for BCCI that a clown like Sethi is heading PCB.

[JSRAW]

I wonder how?

All they can do is make empty threats. I don't think they don't have any guts to boycott World Cup at any cost. PCB would go bankrupt if they do this, doesn't matter who is the chairman. Don't forget in this 2024-27 cycle they are set to earn a minimum $34.5 Million every year, that's $138 Million in just 4 years. Do you think PCB wants to lose this share?

Pakistan doesn't contribute much to the ICC revenues, yet they are given a much higher share when compared to the other boards such as SLCB and CNZ (around $27-28 million each per year). If population is the criteria, then Bangladesh is also having a similar population and they are only being allotted $26 million per year. I would say that the PCB received a good deal for revenue distribution for the 2024-27 cycle. If they want to pull out of the world cup and lose that money, then it is their decision. ICC can re-distribute that amount to the associate nations.

For the argument let's even forget about the distribution because on principle I believe every full test nation deserves its share despite they are contributing anything or not.

In all Asia Cup drama, you'll notice that only PCB is making a noise every week or so, and BCCI stopped reacting to it completely.

Also, Recent news is the new PCB chairman is not happy with the hybrid model and he'll raise this issue in front of ACC as he believes it should be hosted in Pakistan,

[Sithara007]

For the argument let's even forget about the distribution because on principle I believe every full test nation deserves its share despite they are contributing anything or not.

In all Asia Cup drama, you'll notice that only PCB is making a noise every week or so, and BCCI stopped reacting to it completely.

Also, Recent news is the new PCB chairman is not happy with the hybrid model and he'll raise this issue in front of ACC as he believes it should be hosted in Pakistan,

Ideally the share of funds form the ICC should be proportional to the performance of the respective team in various ICC tournaments. Associate teams need to be allocated separately, since they almost never feature in ICC tournaments. And all the noise raised by PCB is just because Najam Sethi is under a lot of criticism from the opposite camp. Sethi want to give an impression that he is bargaining hard with the ACC and ICC. In the end, PCB will get nothing extra but at least Sethi's job will be safe. Anyway, I just want the Asia Cup to go ahead. If it get cancelled, the biggest losers will be Nepal.

[3kpk3]

Also, Recent news is the new PCB chairman is not happy with the hybrid model and he'll raise this issue in front of ACC as he believes it should be hosted in Pakistan,

The new PCB chairman admitted himself that nothing can be done since everything is set in stone already which implies that he was whining for literally nothing. There won't be any changes in the schedule unless something major happens.

Also, it seems that Pakistan's request to swap World Cup venues for their matches got turned down too.

[JSRAW]

Also, Recent news is the new PCB chairman is not happy with the hybrid model and he'll raise this issue in front of ACC as he believes it should be hosted in Pakistan,

The new PCB chairman admitted himself that nothing can be done since everything is set in stone already which implies that he was whining for literally nothing. There won't be any changes in the schedule unless something major happens.

Also, it seems that Pakistan's request to swap World Cup venues for their matches got turned down too.

Lol yeah, he changed his statement within 24 hours, no wonder no one takes PCB seriously, at least BCCI stopped entertaining PCB.

The venue change request was very dumb tbh. India vs Pakistan encounter is a marquee fixture for all stakeholders so it was obvious that BCCI would host this in the biggest cricket stadium, in terms of seat capacity.

[Sithara007]

The 2023 Continent Cup T20 Africa has been won by Uganda. Kenya was showing some signs of resurgence, but in the end Uganda proved to be too strong for them. It was a very close match though. Uganda batted first and made 125 in 20 overs with Kenyan bowler Gerard Mwendwa taking 3 wickets. In return Kenya could only manage 124/7 and lost by 1 run. 41-year old Collins Obuya (the hero during Kenya's match against Sri Lanka during the 2003 ODI World Cup) top-scored for them with 44 from 51 balls. Uganda just confirmed that now they are the strongest team in East Africa.

[dezoel]

The 2023 Continent Cup T20 Africa has been won by Uganda. Kenya was showing some signs of resurgence, but in the end Uganda proved to be too strong for them. It was a very close match though. Uganda batted first and made 125 in 20 overs with Kenyan bowler Gerard Mwendwa taking 3 wickets. In return Kenya could only manage 124/7 and lost by 1 run. 41-year old Collins Obuya (the hero during Kenya's match against Sri Lanka during the 2003 ODI World Cup) top-scored for them with 44 from 51 balls. Uganda just confirmed that now they are the strongest team in East Africa.

A good step for the cricket in African region because we have these four teams having good potential for the improvement in African continent we are already have three good teams South Africa, Zimbabwe and Namibia now these four will help them for increasing in popularity with it's good as mostly teams are having native players, and they can also increase their presence in all levels.

Even Uganda won and Kenya lost by 1 run but still good interesting cricket, and now they need to work on this format instead of going for others as well because this will increase their hassle and investment but just staying with just one format and having improvement in quality and performance surely give them good results good to see 41 years old Collins Obuya is still having something interesting for himself and doing good for his country.

[Tony116]

The 2023 Continent Cup T20 Africa has been won by Uganda. Kenya was showing some signs of resurgence, but in the end Uganda proved to be too strong for them. It was a very close match though. Uganda batted first and made 125 in 20 overs with Kenyan bowler Gerard Mwendwa taking 3 wickets. In return Kenya could only manage 124/7 and lost by 1 run. 41-year old Collins Obuya (the hero during Kenya's match against Sri Lanka during the 2003 ODI World Cup) top-scored for them with 44 from 51 balls. Uganda just confirmed that now they are the strongest team in East Africa.

The fact that Kenya has to depend on a player that is already 41 years old indicates why Junior is not a strong team anymore and why they are also suffering. In fact, the other two top scorers from Kenya were also more than 33 years old. And the fact that they have been able to reach the finals of the continental cup Africa also shows that the situation of cricket in Africa is not good at all. The final was really exciting and close in the end. Congratulations to Uganda for being able to win this tournament. Really did not expect this type of performance from them. I also agree that they have actually improved.

[Sithara007]

The fact that Kenya has to depend on a player that is already 41 years old indicates why Junior is not a strong team anymore and why they are also suffering. In fact, the other two top scorers from Kenya were also more than 33 years old. And the fact that they have been able to reach the finals of the continental cup Africa also shows that the situation of cricket in Africa is not good at all. The final was really exciting and close in the end. Congratulations to Uganda for being able to win this tournament. Really did not expect this type of performance from them. I also agree that they have actually improved.

Don't agree with rest of Africa, but cricket in Kenya has been on the decline for a while. But then Africa is the region where maximum growth has been attained over the last decade or so. I have been following various tournaments such as the T20 World Cup Qualifiers and Women's World Cup qualifiers. At this point, there are close to 20 countries who play cricket regularly, with two test nations (South Africa and Zimbabwe) and two other strong teams who are capable of qualifying to major ICC tournaments (Namibia and Uganda). And the best part is that almost all of these teams mainly rely on native players.

[Tony116]

Don't agree with rest of Africa, but cricket in Kenya has been on the decline for a while. But then Africa is the region where maximum growth has been attained over the last decade or so. I have been following various tournaments such as the T20 World Cup Qualifiers and Women's World Cup qualifiers. At this point, there are close to 20 countries who play cricket regularly, with two test nations (South Africa and Zimbabwe) and two other strong teams who are capable of qualifying to major ICC tournaments (Namibia and Uganda). And the best part is that almost all of these teams mainly rely on native players.

Well, honestly, even if I do agree that the situation of cricket in Africa is actually improving, I think the improvement should have been done a little more quickly. South Africa and Zimbabwe are obviously great in cricket. I think it is the fault of ICC and cricket that they are not being able to generate as much as they want to.

The situation is certainly improving in cricket for Africa. I just don’t know if that improvement is actually going to have some meaning. And by that what I am trying to say is that I hope they will be able to play against four members of the ICC regularly.

[Sithara007]

There has been a lot of questions on how ICC distributes its revenue among the Associate member nations. So I thought that I would try to explain it as much as I can understand.

ICC divides the associate funding to two branches - Scorecard Grant and Competition Grant. Teams are divided based on scoring on these two branches and allotted funding based on the scoring.

Scorecard Grant: ICC divides associate nations to 8 categories (Group A to Group N). Scoring is made on the basis of three parameters - 70% for participation (6 separate criteria), 20% for income other than that derived from the ICC and 10% for Infra and others (five separate criteria). For the 2015-23 cycle, funding allotted from this branch ranged from $12,500 per year for 20 teams in Group N, to $510,000 for the 4 teams in Group A. The 4 teams ranked in Group A during 2015 were Afghanistan, Ireland, Scotland and UAE.

Competition Grant: This branch measures the performance from associate teams in ICC tournaments. Under this branch, the top teams received around $700,000 per year. Those teams that are not capable of qualifying to World Cricket League Division 5 receive nothing from this branch.

Special Grant: In addition to the above two branches, the ICC sometimes provide special funding for some of the teams. These are: A. For qualifying to the ODI World Cup - $1 million each (provided to Afghanistan, Ireland, Scotland and UAE in 2015, and to none in 2019). B. $425,000 each is provided to teams that qualify for the T20 World Cup (in 2016 - Ireland, Afghanistan, Scotland, Oman, Hong Kong and Netherlands). C. Special grants to teams with ODI status - In 2016 $500,000 each to Ireland and Afghanistan, and $250,000 each to Scotland, Oman, Hong Kong, UAE, PNG and Netherlands.  

Note: Taken from the article by Tim Cutler.

[tusandii]

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Competition Grant: This branch measures the performance from associate teams in ICC tournaments. Under this branch, the top teams received around $700,000 per year. Those teams that are not capable of qualifying to World Cricket League Division 5 receive nothing from this branch.

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Competition grants are a source of income for teams that are contested because a large number of prizes given can help the team to have better quality players and can also boost some of the team's developments that will be carried out.
But it's not easy to get it because have to beat other big teams to fight for the top spot and qualify for the World Cricket League.
$700,000 is a lot of money and the team that gets it can definitely use that money to pick up and each player's skills.

[JSRAW]

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Note: Taken from the article by Tim Cutler.

Interesting and a lot of information there. Overall, it looks like a shitty deal, no wonder spreading the game narrative is ridiculous in reality and just a lip serving from the ICC.

But I'd like to dig into it and check more details. Mind adding the main source link in your post as well? That would be helpful.

[Sithara007]

Interesting and a lot of information there. Overall, it looks like a shitty deal, no wonder spreading the game narrative is ridiculous in reality and just a lip serving from the ICC.

But I'd like to dig into it and check more details. Mind adding the main source link in your post as well? That would be helpful.

Here you go:

https://cutsinfo.com/associate-funding-faq/

Tim Cutler is a big supporter of associate cricket and you will find many interesting articles in his website. But he stopped updating the site four years ago. And this is the only article I could find which explains the complexities of ICC fund allocation towards associate members. ICC never publishes anything on this regard, and Culter got this information because he was employed with Cricket Hong Kong sometime back.

You can clearly see the bias. There is a lot of weightage being given to infrastructural facilities and funding from other sources. This gives more weightage to teams like UAE and USA, who have better facilities and access to sponsorship deals. On the other hand, less well off boards find themselves with lower allocation, because they can't participate in ICC qualifiers due to fund shortage, and also due to lack of infrastructure.

[Juggy777]

The fact that Kenya has to depend on a player that is already 41 years old indicates why Junior is not a strong team anymore and why they are also suffering. In fact, the other two top scorers from Kenya were also more than 33 years old. And the fact that they have been able to reach the finals of the continental cup Africa also shows that the situation of cricket in Africa is not good at all. The final was really exciting and close in the end. Congratulations to Uganda for being able to win this tournament. Really did not expect this type of performance from them. I also agree that they have actually improved.

Don't agree with rest of Africa, but cricket in Kenya has been on the decline for a while. But then Africa is the region where maximum growth has been attained over the last decade or so. I have been following various tournaments such as the T20 World Cup Qualifiers and Women's World Cup qualifiers. At this point, there are close to 20 countries who play cricket regularly, with two test nations (South Africa and Zimbabwe) and two other strong teams who are capable of qualifying to major ICC tournaments (Namibia and Uganda). And the best part is that almost all of these teams mainly rely on native players.

@Sithara007 I have followed SA only in their international matches but I feel that they’re no longer the dominant force they once used to be and maybe they’re having more local matches like you say but in international tournaments they’re not performing that well. Furthermore the debate about native and non native player’s is not really worth it cause those team’s that rely on outside player’s do it due to the current rule’s and while it’s harsh to other team’s nothing really can be done about it.

[Blitzboy]

There has been a lot of questions on how ICC distributes its revenue among the Associate member nations. So I thought that I would try to explain it as much as I can understand.

ICC divides the associate funding to two branches - Scorecard Grant and Competition Grant. Teams are divided based on scoring on these two branches and allotted funding based on the scoring.

Scorecard Grant: ICC divides associate nations to 8 categories (Group A to Group N). Scoring is made on the basis of three parameters - 70% for participation (6 separate criteria), 20% for income other than that derived from the ICC and 10% for Infra and others (five separate criteria). For the 2015-23 cycle, funding allotted from this branch ranged from $12,500 per year for 20 teams in Group N, to $510,000 for the 4 teams in Group A. The 4 teams ranked in Group A during 2015 were Afghanistan, Ireland, Scotland and UAE.

Competition Grant: This branch measures the performance from associate teams in ICC tournaments. Under this branch, the top teams received around $700,000 per year. Those teams that are not capable of qualifying to World Cricket League Division 5 receive nothing from this branch.

Special Grant: In addition to the above two branches, the ICC sometimes provide special funding for some of the teams. These are: A. For qualifying to the ODI World Cup - $1 million each (provided to Afghanistan, Ireland, Scotland and UAE in 2015, and to none in 2019). B. $425,000 each is provided to teams that qualify for the T20 World Cup (in 2016 - Ireland, Afghanistan, Scotland, Oman, Hong Kong and Netherlands). C. Special grants to teams with ODI status - In 2016 $500,000 each to Ireland and Afghanistan, and $250,000 each to Scotland, Oman, Hong Kong, UAE, PNG and Netherlands.  

Note: Taken from the article by Tim Cutler.

Scorecard and Competition grants seem thorough, but flaws lurk beneath. Scorecard Grant, balancing participation and income, is sound. But just 10% for infrastructural elements? It's the lifeblood of sports advancement. Competition Grant is on thin ice. Rewarding ICC tournament champs? Cool. Yet, no financial lifeline for teams failing World Cricket League Division 5? It's a vicious cycle for underdogs!

The Special Grant is a wild card. Bravo ICC for World Cup sweeteners! But, wouldn't nurturing budding teams, even non-finalists, lead to a cricket bloom in those regions?

[3kpk3]

The Special Grant is a wild card. Bravo ICC for World Cup sweeteners! But, wouldn't nurturing budding teams, even non-finalists, lead to a cricket bloom in those regions?

The world doesn't work that way sadly which is why it's an unfair world where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer with time. Same logic applies to ICC's focus on favorites over underdogs just like in any other sport.

It all comes down to money at the end of the day and ICC stands to benefit the most by investing in favorites over the underdogs.