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November 24, 2019, 05:18:03 AM
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One of the reasons for the decline in the quality of cricket in the smaller nations is the ICC's policy of allowing foreigners to represent host countries. In no other sport, this is permitted. For example, there are teams such as Hong Kong, UAE, USA and Canada, where none of the 11 players are citizens of that particular country. This actually weakens financially weak sides such as South Africa, Pakistan and West Indies.

If the ICC policy was not there, then Jofra Archer and Chris Jordan will be playing for West Indies, Marnus Labuschagne and Colin Ingram will be playing for South Africa, and Fawad Ahmed and Imran Tahir will be representing Pakistan.   
The individuals must be given the priority to live anywhere they want and i do not want any restriction to any of their freedom, these people moved out for a better living and you cannot restrict them and force them back to their home country just because they cannot play a sport, some of the policies ICC made is to support the Arab countries as majority of the players are from outside and none of the players are not even having citizenship and they are just contract players. So the question is where do you draw a line in this situation.

Obviously I don't want to harm anyone's career prospects. If someone wants to move from his country to another and make a career out of cricket, then we have dozens of franchise T20 leagues out there. But foreigners representing the national team is a tricky situation. There should be a limit for such players, such as 4 per team or a max 5 per team. We can't allow the entire playing XI to be made up of foreigners (like the case with UAE and Singapore). If that is the case, then the locals will always regard cricket as a foreign sport and they will never get interested in it.

 
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November 24, 2019, 11:10:36 AM
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They are 9 wickets down now. I don't think they will reach that lead mark even if they have that in mind. I think Ashton Agar (hope I am spelling the name correctly) was the one who scored I guess a century as the last man standing. Its quite rare and I don't think it would happen here.

They still have 2 days left so it's easy win for Australia.
Australia already won by an innings and 5 runs. Starc and Hazlewood performed as expected while Warner and Marnus batted brilliantly. Australia is in another league when compared to Pakistan at the moment and I am expecting a whitewash here.

Azam and Rizwan played well, but other players did not support them to fight back against such a competitive total. Pakistan is going downhill in all formats these days.
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November 24, 2019, 02:23:33 PM
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They are 9 wickets down now. I don't think they will reach that lead mark even if they have that in mind. I think Ashton Agar (hope I am spelling the name correctly) was the one who scored I guess a century as the last man standing. Its quite rare and I don't think it would happen here.

They still have 2 days left so it's easy win for Australia.
Australia already won by an innings and 5 runs. Starc and Hazlewood performed as expected while Warner and Marnus batted brilliantly. Australia is in another league when compared to Pakistan at the moment and I am expecting a whitewash here.

Azam and Rizwan played well, but other players did not support them to fight back against such a competitive total. Pakistan is going downhill in all formats these days.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two teams. Australian are the master of the game and no one can beat them in their home ground. One of the Pakistani batsmen did resist and score a century but that could not help them even. They lost by an innings to great Australian team.



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November 24, 2019, 05:51:44 PM
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There is absolutely no comparison between the two teams. Australian are the master of the game and no one can beat them in their home ground. One of the Pakistani batsmen did resist and score a century but that could not help them even. They lost by an innings to great Australian team.
Pakistan is not even a strong team to consider them win against a team like Australia, even when they had some of the best fast bowlers they were not able to win because their batting used to fail, the Asian teams are not able to bat on bouncy tracks and they have not played well in green tracks historically but India is performing well recently and they might pose a challenge to Australia and England, South Africa slipped recently and New Zealand is always a dark horse in home condition,

 
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November 25, 2019, 01:10:33 AM
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Australia already won by an innings and 5 runs. Starc and Hazlewood performed as expected while Warner and Marnus batted brilliantly. Australia is in another league when compared to Pakistan at the moment and I am expecting a whitewash here.

Azam and Rizwan played well, but other players did not support them to fight back against such a competitive total. Pakistan is going downhill in all formats these days.

I agree that Australia is in another league, but apart from Steve Smith, I wouldn't classify any of their players as legends. Gone are the days when they had the best bowling attack in the world (Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne.etc) and the best captain (Ricky Ponting). This weakness was evident during the Ashes series as well, when all the players apart from Smith failed miserably.

BTW, the influx of South African players is helping teams such as Australia, New Zealand and England immensely in their attempt to reduce the gap with India. I am watching the NZ vs England match right now... and the NZ team looks to be full of ex-SA players (Watling, Wagner and de Grandhomme). Even the Player Of The Match during the Australia vs Pakistan match was originally from SA (Marnus Labuschagne).

 
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November 25, 2019, 02:43:39 PM
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They are 9 wickets down now. I don't think they will reach that lead mark even if they have that in mind. I think Ashton Agar (hope I am spelling the name correctly) was the one who scored I guess a century as the last man standing. Its quite rare and I don't think it would happen here.

They still have 2 days left so it's easy win for Australia.
Australia already won by an innings and 5 runs. Starc and Hazlewood performed as expected while Warner and Marnus batted brilliantly. Australia is in another league when compared to Pakistan at the moment and I am expecting a whitewash here.

Azam and Rizwan played well, but other players did not support them to fight back against such a competitive total. Pakistan is going downhill in all formats these days.
Australian team is a team in true sense while Pakistan team is always like this, only one or two players perform and others just come to show their existence. With Australia, every single member fights but cannot say this for the opponent. Still, the team is a very unpredictable one. Calling for the whitewash would be a little bit exaggeration. With these results, Pakistan will definitely prepare well for the remaining match.

 
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November 25, 2019, 03:39:08 PM
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Australian team is a team in true sense while Pakistan team is always like this, only one or two players perform and others just come to show their existence. With Australia, every single member fights but cannot say this for the opponent. Still, the team is a very unpredictable one. Calling for the whitewash would be a little bit exaggeration. With these results, Pakistan will definitely prepare well for the remaining match.

Look at the victory margin. If this match can't be considered as a white-wash, then we need to find a new definition for that term. IMO, there was no positive points for Pakistan from the match. All of their players failed miserably and none could score runs against the main bowlers. Only when Marnus Labuschagne was bowling, some of the Pak batsmen looked comfortable with batting.

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November 25, 2019, 04:56:34 PM
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Look at the victory margin. If this match can't be considered as a white-wash, then we need to find a new definition for that term. IMO, there was no positive points for Pakistan from the match. All of their players failed miserably and none could score runs against the main bowlers. Only when Marnus Labuschagne was bowling, some of the Pak batsmen looked comfortable with batting.
The Pakistan bowlers needs to learn fast on where to pitch the ball and if they are not able to pick wickets then there is no hope for them in the entire series, a couple of Pakistani batsman scored runs in the second innings and it will give them a moral boost and they need to get that kind of performance consistently and the problem is the Pakistan batsman are facing these kind of pace attack for the first time and they need some time to read the pitch and make adjustment.

 
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November 26, 2019, 02:10:22 AM
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Look at the victory margin. If this match can't be considered as a white-wash, then we need to find a new definition for that term. IMO, there was no positive points for Pakistan from the match. All of their players failed miserably and none could score runs against the main bowlers. Only when Marnus Labuschagne was bowling, some of the Pak batsmen looked comfortable with batting.
The Pakistan bowlers needs to learn fast on where to pitch the ball and if they are not able to pick wickets then there is no hope for them in the entire series, a couple of Pakistani batsman scored runs in the second innings and it will give them a moral boost and they need to get that kind of performance consistently and the problem is the Pakistan batsman are facing these kind of pace attack for the first time and they need some time to read the pitch and make adjustment.

The second test will be played at Adelaide, and in all probability it will give a lot of assistance to the Australian pace triad (Mitchell Starc/Josh Hazlewood/Pat Cummins). Pakistani batsmen can't expect flat tracks every time they visit Australia and should have prepared better by playing more warmup matches against some of the Australian first class sides.

Babar Azam made a century in the second innings and that is an encouraging sign. He has performed consistently for the Pak team over the years (along with Fakhar Zaman). Surprisingly, the keeper (Mohammad Rizwan) also made a good score, although he was unfortunate to miss the century. These are encouraging signs for Pakistan ahead of the second test. 

 
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November 26, 2019, 01:02:58 PM
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Look at the victory margin. If this match can't be considered as a white-wash, then we need to find a new definition for that term. IMO, there was no positive points for Pakistan from the match. All of their players failed miserably and none could score runs against the main bowlers. Only when Marnus Labuschagne was bowling, some of the Pak batsmen looked comfortable with batting.
The Pakistan bowlers needs to learn fast on where to pitch the ball and if they are not able to pick wickets then there is no hope for them in the entire series, a couple of Pakistani batsman scored runs in the second innings and it will give them a moral boost and they need to get that kind of performance consistently and the problem is the Pakistan batsman are facing these kind of pace attack for the first time and they need some time to read the pitch and make adjustment.

Pakistani bowlers are relatively inexperienced and they had no previous experience of playing in Australia. They could have arrived a few days earlier and played a few more warm up matches to get acclimatized with the conditions. Anyway, lets see how they perform during the second test. Their morale is going to be low, but a few early wickets can change that.

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November 26, 2019, 02:55:09 PM
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Pakistani bowlers are relatively inexperienced and they had no previous experience of playing in Australia. They could have arrived a few days earlier and played a few more warm up matches to get acclimatized with the conditions. Anyway, lets see how they perform during the second test. Their morale is going to be low, but a few early wickets can change that.
I have not seen Pakistan defeating Australia even when they had world class bowlers like Akram, Akthar and Waqar Younis because their batsman always fails them, i am not sure about the win percentage they have in Australia but i am sure it is pretty low, the present team is much younger and there is no way they will trouble the Australian batsman and their bowling is lethal to any top teams and Pakistan will find it difficult to face them.

 
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November 26, 2019, 03:20:29 PM
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Pakistani bowlers are relatively inexperienced and they had no previous experience of playing in Australia. They could have arrived a few days earlier and played a few more warm up matches to get acclimatized with the conditions. Anyway, lets see how they perform during the second test. Their morale is going to be low, but a few early wickets can change that.
I have not seen Pakistan defeating Australia even when they had world class bowlers like Akram, Akthar and Waqar Younis because their batsman always fails them, i am not sure about the win percentage they have in Australia but i am sure it is pretty low, the present team is much younger and there is no way they will trouble the Australian batsman and their bowling is lethal to any top teams and Pakistan will find it difficult to face them.

Back then they had legendary batsmen such as Saeed Anwar and Inzamam ul Haq, in addition to a young Shahid Afridi who could light up some fireworks during the match. But back then, Australia was very much invincible. They had the best bowlers (McGrath, Lee, Warne.etc) and the best batsmen (Adam Gilchrist, Mark Waugh.etc). On top of that, they had the best captain as well (Steve Waugh). The present Australian team is a shadow of its former self.

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Pakistani bowlers are relatively inexperienced and they had no previous experience of playing in Australia. They could have arrived a few days earlier and played a few more warm up matches to get acclimatized with the conditions. Anyway, lets see how they perform during the second test. Their morale is going to be low, but a few early wickets can change that.
I have not seen Pakistan defeating Australia even when they had world class bowlers like Akram, Akthar and Waqar Younis because their batsman always fails them, i am not sure about the win percentage they have in Australia but i am sure it is pretty low, the present team is much younger and there is no way they will trouble the Australian batsman and their bowling is lethal to any top teams and Pakistan will find it difficult to face them.
Pakistan in Australia Test Match   1964/65      drawn   0-0 (1)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   1972/73      Australia   3-0 (3)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   1976/77      drawn   1-1 (3)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   1978/79      drawn   1-1 (2)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   1981/82      Australia   2-1 (3)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   1983/84      Australia   2-0 (5)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   1989/90      Australia   1-0 (3)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   1995/96      Australia   2-1 (3)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   1999/00      Australia   3-0 (3)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   2004/05      Australia   3-0 (3)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   2009/10      Australia   3-0 (3)
Pakistan in Australia Test Series   2016/17      Australia   3-0 (3)

Currently Pakistan 13th time in Australia they already lost 9 time and draw 3 mean they never won any series in Australia.

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November 26, 2019, 06:22:36 PM
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Currently Pakistan 13th time in Australia they already lost 9 time and draw 3 mean they never won any series in Australia.
So it shows that Pakistan won just 4 matches in Australia and the last win was in 1995/96 season and it is a very long time since they tasted victory and it is highly unlikely they will win a match anytime soon with the team they are having and even the world class bowlers could not give them the win because their batsman usually fail in green tracks and all the Asian countries was having this issue but India is playing better now.

 
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November 26, 2019, 06:33:45 PM
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Currently Pakistan 13th time in Australia they already lost 9 time and draw 3 mean they never won any series in Australia.
So it shows that Pakistan won just 4 matches in Australia and the last win was in 1995/96 season and it is a very long time since they tasted victory and it is highly unlikely they will win a match anytime soon with the team they are having and even the world class bowlers could not give them the win because their batsman usually fail in green tracks and all the Asian countries was having this issue but India is playing better now.
Here in Pakistan we have no system and no good domestic set up which is hurting too much not only in cricket even in all sports too many talented players going overseas and doing good jobs because they feel they have no good future and right now in India they are doing too many good decsions for domestic set up which are paying good divedend specially just because of IPL now they have very stronge cricket team which can beat any team in any place its need some good effort and long term plaining which is not available in Pakistan.

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November 27, 2019, 01:16:22 AM
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Currently Pakistan 13th time in Australia they already lost 9 time and draw 3 mean they never won any series in Australia.
So it shows that Pakistan won just 4 matches in Australia and the last win was in 1995/96 season and it is a very long time since they tasted victory and it is highly unlikely they will win a match anytime soon with the team they are having and even the world class bowlers could not give them the win because their batsman usually fail in green tracks and all the Asian countries was having this issue but India is playing better now.

India's success can be attributed to just one man - Virat Kohli, as he is the only Indian batsman who has performed consistently on green surfaces. All the other batsmen have shown weakness abroad. Not just the Indian batsmen, but the Indian spin bowlers (especially Ravichandran Ashwin) have also shown a lack of form on surfaces outside the sub-continent.

Also, the surfaces have become more batsmen friendly over the years, in part due to the pressure from the TV broadcasters. The broadcasters incur losses when the test matches get finished in two or three days and there is a lot of pressure from them to ensure that the matches last for a minimum of 4 days. But as we have seen, even in good surfaces nowadays the matches are getting finished in less than 3 days (IND vs BAN for example). 

 
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November 28, 2019, 10:14:45 PM
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Currently Pakistan 13th time in Australia they already lost 9 time and draw 3 mean they never won any series in Australia.
So it shows that Pakistan won just 4 matches in Australia and the last win was in 1995/96 season and it is a very long time since they tasted victory and it is highly unlikely they will win a match anytime soon with the team they are having and even the world class bowlers could not give them the win because their batsman usually fail in green tracks and all the Asian countries was having this issue but India is playing better now.

India's success can be attributed to just one man - Virat Kohli, as he is the only Indian batsman who has performed consistently on green surfaces. All the other batsmen have shown weakness abroad. Not just the Indian batsmen, but the Indian spin bowlers (especially Ravichandran Ashwin) have also shown a lack of form on surfaces outside the sub-continent.

Also, the surfaces have become more batsmen friendly over the years, in part due to the pressure from the TV broadcasters. The broadcasters incur losses when the test matches get finished in two or three days and there is a lot of pressure from them to ensure that the matches last for a minimum of 4 days. But as we have seen, even in good surfaces nowadays the matches are getting finished in less than 3 days (IND vs BAN for example). 
Also he used to perform consistently on every ground. It can be of home ground or it can be away from the country. Whenever necessary, most of the time he takes responsibility and does what is necessary by that time. We can't say it is just a man's effort, because rest too played but he played well which is the difference.

Broadcasters were the one to profit big out the matches. When a day gets reduced out of the match due to early winning it surely affects the revenue. This can't be undone, because game gets changed at any point. If things are supposed to happen as the broadcasters think then the only way is match fixing.




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November 29, 2019, 01:54:50 AM
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Broadcasters were the one to profit big out the matches. When a day gets reduced out of the match due to early winning it surely affects the revenue. This can't be undone, because game gets changed at any point. If things are supposed to happen as the broadcasters think then the only way is match fixing.

Nope.. I wasn't talking about match fixing. The duration of the match can depend a lot on the pitch condition as well. If the surface is a flat one offering not much assistance to the bowlers, then we can expect innings totals in excess of 500, and thereby we can make sure that the match will last for 5 days. On the other hand if the surface offers a lot of pace and bounce, then the duration will be difficult to predict. Good batsmen may be able to score runs, but weak teams may get blasted out in less than half a day.

 
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December 03, 2019, 03:49:56 PM
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Unforgettable innings !!!

Very difficult to believe that this is the same guy who struggled so hard during the Ashes series. David Warner made a total of 95 runs after playing 5 tests during the Ashes 2019 series. For comparison, Steve Smith played just 4 matches, and scored a total of 774 runs (he could have made 1,000 runs if he got the opportunity to play all the five matches).

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Unforgettable innings !!!

Very difficult to believe that this is the same guy who struggled so hard during the Ashes series. David Warner made a total of 95 runs after playing 5 tests during the Ashes 2019 series. For comparison, Steve Smith played just 4 matches, and scored a total of 774 runs (he could have made 1,000 runs if he got the opportunity to play all the five matches).
Its not matter of believe or not believe its all about cricket when we was kids we have some gold words and these fit perfect the words was Cricket by Luck mean if you have good day then no one can stop you and if you have bad day then you cannot stay on crease so this happen in case of Warner and Smith.
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