Cricket match prediction discussions

[Vishnu.Reang]

Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team

The reason is because they are contracted with the BCCI and they are not allowed to participate in any other leagues other than the IPL and once you are under contract with the BCCI and no one in the right sense will plan to breach those contracts and basically it is not patriotism that is displayed but they are fulfilling the contract they signed to play for the country and they are earning a hell lot of money playing cricket and hence no one will complain about the pay scale.

Well... this is not right, IMO. The IPL is truly a global league, with more than a hundred overseas players participating in it. There are instances when some of these players miss their national duty because of their commitment to the IPL. The players are benefiting from this, as their IPL salaries are manytimes what their national board would pay. But at the same time, the other cricket boards suffer due to the unavailability of these players.

Under these circumstances, is it correct for the BCCI to ban Indian players from participating in the foreign T20 leagues? We all know that their real intention is to cut back the popularity of these leagues (such as the Big Bash League and the Caribbean Premier League) in India, and to prevent these leagues from raking in valuable TV revenues.

[iram3130]

I feel that India badly needs good bowlers right now, some are good in death overs but not consistent. Also experienced support is clearly lacking. The third and final match is the decider and bets are high on both sides. Am going in with 51-49 towards India just because of Rohit Sharma's form right now.

[Clement Kaliyar]

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You are right. None of the Indian players are allowed to play in franchise T20 leagues outside India. If they wish to do so, then they should retire from the domestic and international cricket and do so (similar to what players such as Zaheer Khan and Yuvraj Sigh have done). But in my opinion, this is a very repressive move from the BCCI.

BCCI is the most powerful and financially sound board in the world and they decide what they want .

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Well... this is not right, IMO. The IPL is truly a global league, with more than a hundred overseas players participating in it. There are instances when some of these players miss their national duty because of their commitment to the IPL. The players are benefiting from this, as their IPL salaries are manytimes what their national board would pay. But at the same time, the other cricket boards suffer due to the unavailability of these players.

Because of the high pay scale they are playing in the IPL, hundreds of overseas players are playing in the IPL but how many Indian players are playing in the franchise T20 leagues abroad ?. None of the Indian players are playing because they cannot because of the contract they signed with the BCCI.

Under these circumstances, is it correct for the BCCI to ban Indian players from participating in the foreign T20 leagues? We all know that their real intention is to cut back the popularity of these leagues (such as the Big Bash League and the Caribbean Premier League) in India, and to prevent these leagues from raking in valuable TV revenues.

Yes the players are under BCCI contract and they can restrict the players and they are doing that if you are not aware of it.

[JSRAW]

Is it because of the patriotic level or the fear of getting back in the team

The reason is because they are contracted with the BCCI and they are not allowed to participate in any other leagues other than the IPL and once you are under contract with the BCCI and no one in the right sense will plan to breach those contracts and basically it is not patriotism that is displayed but they are fulfilling the contract they signed to play for the country and they are earning a hell lot of money playing cricket and hence no one will complain about the pay scale.

Well... this is not right, IMO. The IPL is truly a global league, with more than a hundred overseas players participating in it. There are instances when some of these players miss their national duty because of their commitment to the IPL. The players are benefiting from this, as their IPL salaries are manytimes what their national board would pay. But at the same time, the other cricket boards suffer due to the unavailability of these players.

Agree, this is a big problem and i personally don't enjoy mercenary attitudes from some players but i don't blame them either. their respective cricket board should communicate with them and resolve core issue, both sides need to come on some common ground and it shouldn't be like " My way or High way".
 

Under these circumstances, is it correct for the BCCI to ban Indian players from participating in the foreign T20 leagues? We all know that their real intention is to cut back the popularity of these leagues (such as the Big Bash League and the Caribbean Premier League) in India, and to prevent these leagues from raking in valuable TV revenues.

You are implying that BCCI should send their assets to other leagues. i would say its a suicidal move when conducting business, everything comes down to money etc anyway.

For business perspective is good move, we can argue that domestic players should get NOC for foreign T-20 leagues ( as pointed by Sithara007) but IMO T-20 leagues are not helpful in terms of exposure when comparing with IPL. if its for  Sheffield Shield, English Counties or Sunfoil Series (4 days match) then i am in favor without any doubt.

[Vishnu.Reang]

For business perspective is good move, we can argue that domestic players should get NOC for foreign T-20 leagues ( as pointed by Sithara007) but IMO T-20 leagues are not helpful in terms of exposure when comparing with IPL. if its for  Sheffield Shield, English Counties or Sunfoil Series (4 days match) then i am in favor without any doubt.

Well... I really doubt whether the Indian players will be interested in taking part in the 4-day competitions abroad. Earlier a lot of players (such as Saurav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid) used to do that, but now with such packed schedule, none of the mainstream players are interested in such foreign stints. That's why I said that the T20 leagues suit them more. Salary is high, and the work load is low. 

[JSRAW]

For business perspective is good move, we can argue that domestic players should get NOC for foreign T-20 leagues ( as pointed by Sithara007) but IMO T-20 leagues are not helpful in terms of exposure when comparing with IPL. if its for  Sheffield Shield, English Counties or Sunfoil Series (4 days match) then i am in favor without any doubt.

Well... I really doubt whether the Indian players will be interested in taking part in the 4-day competitions abroad. Earlier a lot of players (such as Saurav Ganguly and Rahul Dravid) used to do that, but now with such packed schedule, none of the mainstream players are interested in such foreign stints. That's why I said that the T20 leagues suit them more. Salary is high, and the work load is low. 

Not regular players but the ones who gets drop and go back to domestic cricket.

Including young blood from domestic cricket. BCCI should identify 15-20 players and encourage them to play for 4 day cricket in SENA countries, Similar to Rahane, Ashwin, Ishant. India can rule the Test cricket for next 10-20 years easily if they get their shit together.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

I feel that India badly needs good bowlers right now, some are good in death overs but not consistent. Also experienced support is clearly lacking. The third and final match is the decider and bets are high on both sides. Am going in with 51-49 towards India just because of Rohit Sharma's form right now.

It is a difficult position for India, the spinners are taken for runs in the past two matches from both teams and with high scoring games like these and heavy hitters who are able to put the ball out of the stadium, it is very difficult for the spinners as one loose ball and it will end up as a six and so is the reason the Indian spinners gave away 9 sixes in total in the last match.

[Sithara007]

Not regular players but the ones who gets drop and go back to domestic cricket.

Including young blood from domestic cricket. BCCI should identify 15-20 players and encourage them to play for 4 day cricket in SENA countries, Similar to Rahane, Ashwin, Ishant. India can rule the Test cricket for next 10-20 years easily if they get their shit together.

Despite some initiative taken a few years back, the vast majority of the domestic matches in India continues to be played on flat tracks, which benefits neither the batsmen, nor the bowlers. This is one of the reason why it is beneficial for the Indian players (especially those who are in the fringe for national team selection) to play domestic tournaments abroad. Right now the Sheffield Shield competition of Australia has the highest standard among all the tournaments, and the County Championship of England would be ranked as the second strongest competition.

[Vishnu.Reang]

It is a difficult position for India, the spinners are taken for runs in the past two matches from both teams and with high scoring games like these and heavy hitters who are able to put the ball out of the stadium, it is very difficult for the spinners as one loose ball and it will end up as a six and so is the reason the Indian spinners gave away 9 sixes in total in the last match.

Nowadays, the boundary distances in international matches have been decreased, to increase the number of boundaries. And this is having a disproportionately negative impact on the spin bowlers. Many of the boundaries during the Visakhapatnam match would have ended as wickets, if the match was played two decades ago. But it will be wring to say that it impacts one of the sides more than the other.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Nowadays, the boundary distances in international matches have been decreased, to increase the number of boundaries. And this is having a disproportionately negative impact on the spin bowlers. Many of the boundaries during the Visakhapatnam match would have ended as wickets, if the match was played two decades ago. But it will be wring to say that it impacts one of the sides more than the other.

It is clear that the boundaries have become shorter in the past decade and when you see a mishit goes over the ropes we can understand the plight of the bowlers, the game has changed a lot and it helps the bowlers all the time even with the rules and regulation helping the batsman and on top of that the boundaries are shorter, tough times for bowlers and i do not see any change in that.

[JSRAW]

Not regular players but the ones who gets drop and go back to domestic cricket.

Including young blood from domestic cricket. BCCI should identify 15-20 players and encourage them to play for 4 day cricket in SENA countries, Similar to Rahane, Ashwin, Ishant. India can rule the Test cricket for next 10-20 years easily if they get their shit together.

Despite some initiative taken a few years back, the vast majority of the domestic matches in India continues to be played on flat tracks, which benefits neither the batsmen, nor the bowlers. This is one of the reason why it is beneficial for the Indian players (especially those who are in the fringe for national team selection) to play domestic tournaments abroad. Right now the Sheffield Shield competition of Australia has the highest standard among all the tournaments, and the County Championship of England would be ranked as the second strongest competition.

True for majority of games in domestic arena, i am not fan of this strategy. Some pitches are becoming pace friendly though but its not enough. some times i fancy the idea that, what will happen if BCCI try to create pitches according for foreign conditions ( England, Australia, South Africa) they have money, 50+ international cricket stadium and India is big, diverse when we look at weather.

[JohnBitCo]

Nowadays, the boundary distances in international matches have been decreased, to increase the number of boundaries. And this is having a disproportionately negative impact on the spin bowlers. Many of the boundaries during the Visakhapatnam match would have ended as wickets, if the match was played two decades ago. But it will be wring to say that it impacts one of the sides more than the other.

It is clear that the boundaries have become shorter in the past decade and when you see a mishit goes over the ropes we can understand the plight of the bowlers, the game has changed a lot and it helps the bowlers all the time even with the rules and regulation helping the batsman and on top of that the boundaries are shorter, tough times for bowlers and i do not see any change in that.

All the new rules of the cricket favors the batsmen. Single bouncer in an over, fielding restrictions and now short boundaries would mean more and more hitting and more runs. Cricket will more look like a baseball soon if this continues. I think this is bad for the cricket because we love the fast and spin good bowling spells and it does not matter if less runs are scored. But his pure hitting on every ball, is not looking good for the cricket in the long run.

[Vishnu.Reang]

True for majority of games in domestic arena, i am not fan of this strategy. Some pitches are becoming pace friendly though but its not enough. some times i fancy the idea that, what will happen if BCCI try to create pitches according for foreign conditions ( England, Australia, South Africa) they have money, 50+ international cricket stadium and India is big, diverse when we look at weather.

There are a number of pace-friendly pitches in India, including international tracks such as Mohali and Dharmashala. But the problem is that these grounds are with the smaller state boards and they get international games only once every two or three years. Apart from them, more than 90% of the tracks which are used for domestic games are either flat or spin-friendly.

[7788bitcoin]

There are a number of pace-friendly pitches in India, including international tracks such as Mohali and Dharmashala. But the problem is that these grounds are with the smaller state boards and they get international games only once every two or three years. Apart from them, more than 90% of the tracks which are used for domestic games are either flat or spin-friendly.

Not sure about pace friendly pitches in India but now they have good fast bowlers and every home series we expect a pitch that could help their bowlers and India never had good fast bowlers in the past as they solely depend on spinners but now there is a change in that concept and hence they can prepare green pitches too, no idea about the domestic tournaments and what wicket they are making as i am not following them.

[Juggy777]

There are a number of pace-friendly pitches in India, including international tracks such as Mohali and Dharmashala. But the problem is that these grounds are with the smaller state boards and they get international games only once every two or three years. Apart from them, more than 90% of the tracks which are used for domestic games are either flat or spin-friendly.

Not sure about pace friendly pitches in India but now they have good fast bowlers and every home series we expect a pitch that could help their bowlers and India never had good fast bowlers in the past as they solely depend on spinners but now there is a change in that concept and hence they can prepare green pitches too, no idea about the domestic tournaments and what wicket they are making as i am not following them.

@Vishnu.Reang I wasn’t aware that there were pitches in India that supported fast bowlers, because I had always seen them play on spin friendly pitches. @ 7788bitcoin I’ll second that as India had always relied on their spin bowlers more, but in recent years under Virat’s leadership they have focused more on fast bowlers and this decision has shown promising results for them don’t you think?.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/when-virat-took-over-ishant-sharma-explains-why-indian-bowlers-are-performing-better-under-kohli/story-iO44KPada72i9vT0bP9rGP.html

[ene1980]

All the new rules of the cricket favors the batsmen. Single bouncer in an over, fielding restrictions and now short boundaries would mean more and more hitting and more runs. Cricket will more look like a baseball soon if this continues. I think this is bad for the cricket because we love the fast and spin good bowling spells and it does not matter if less runs are scored. But his pure hitting on every ball, is not looking good for the cricket in the long run.

The rules that are changed by the ICC is because they need to attract the general audience while the cricket was lacking the audience they are expecting and the demands by the broadcasting partners and hence the ICC was forced to come up with rules that would aide the batsman and so is the reason we are seeing that there are more restrictions in a match and the boundaries are small than it was in the past, it is a commercial sport and all they look forward is to make money and the audience should change according to these public demand.

[Sithara007]

There are a number of pace-friendly pitches in India, including international tracks such as Mohali and Dharmashala. But the problem is that these grounds are with the smaller state boards and they get international games only once every two or three years. Apart from them, more than 90% of the tracks which are used for domestic games are either flat or spin-friendly.

Not sure about pace friendly pitches in India but now they have good fast bowlers and every home series we expect a pitch that could help their bowlers and India never had good fast bowlers in the past as they solely depend on spinners but now there is a change in that concept and hence they can prepare green pitches too, no idea about the domestic tournaments and what wicket they are making as i am not following them.

One thing that all of us tend to ignore is that the Indian pace bowlers have performed consistently on flat subcontinental surfaces in the recent times. The pace bowlers from visiting teams have struggled to bowl on such surfaces, but at the same time Indian bowlers such as Sharma and Shami have performed in an exemplary manner. And also, their average speed has increased. Earlier, they used to bowl in the low 130s, but now the average speed is around 140 kmph. I think that this has made the difference in flat surfaces.

[Clement Kaliyar]

@Vishnu.Reang I wasn’t aware that there were pitches in India that supported fast bowlers, because I had always seen them play on spin friendly pitches. @ 7788bitcoin I’ll second that as India had always relied on their spin bowlers more, but in recent years under Virat’s leadership they have focused more on fast bowlers and this decision has shown promising results for them don’t you think?

It is a true statement that India does have the best bowling line up in the history of Indian cricket as all these fast bowlers are capable of troubling any world class batsman around the world and especially when they travel abroad in green pitches they will be more potent if they are able to land the ball at the right areas and if the bowlers can sort their fitness issues then they have the best bowlers in world cricket.

[Vishnu.Reang]

It is a true statement that India does have the best bowling line up in the history of Indian cricket as all these fast bowlers are capable of troubling any world class batsman around the world and especially when they travel abroad in green pitches they will be more potent if they are able to land the ball at the right areas and if the bowlers can sort their fitness issues then they have the best bowlers in world cricket.

One advantage with the Indian bowling lineup is that they are not over-dependent on any one bowler. For example, when Jasprit Bumrah was injured recently, the other bowlers (Mohammad Shami, Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav) were able to step in and fill the vacuum. The same can't be said about the other teams. New Zealand looked pathetic when Trent Boult couldn't play because of injury. The same was the case with Australia, when Mitchell Starc was ruled out for most part of 2019.

[ene1980]

One advantage with the Indian bowling lineup is that they are not over-dependent on any one bowler. For example, when Jasprit Bumrah was injured recently, the other bowlers (Mohammad Shami, Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav) were able to step in and fill the vacuum. The same can't be said about the other teams. New Zealand looked pathetic when Trent Boult couldn't play because of injury. The same was the case with Australia, when Mitchell Starc was ruled out for most part of 2019.

I have one doubt why Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav are not part of ODI and T20 tournament for India as i have not seen them in the team even if Jasprit Bumrah was injured in the recent series and India was experimenting with new bowlers rather than picking Ishant Sharma nor Umesh Yadav. In the case of Mitchell Starc he was not playing in the Ashes because the selectors thought he was not that important in the Test and when he was given an opportunity after that he bowled really well and now he is a pick in the Test format.