Cricket match prediction discussions

[YinShuiSiYuan]

^^^ There are no saints here. Rameez has done wonders for the PCB, and let's focus on that rather than the verbal duels. But I agree that he should not react to the provocations and need to act in a calm manner. It is not going to be beneficial for anyone, if the PCB officials and the ex-players wash their dirty laundry out in the open. I don't know whether it was right for him to send the legal notices to his critics. And it maybe a good idea to withdraw them and sort out the issues in private, rather than publicizing this issue anymore.

Rameez Raja has been a cricket figure since forever first he was playing than commentary and now leading PCB so he knows things that can effect reputations of cricket boards.  First of all everyone who's there to discuss cricket should just stick to cricket instead of personal attacks . And the one who's leading our cricket board should stay with calm nerves to tackle things like this .

[JSRAW]

^^^ There are no saints here. Rameez has done wonders for the PCB, and let's focus on that rather than the verbal duels. But I agree that he should not react to the provocations and need to act in a calm manner. It is not going to be beneficial for anyone, if the PCB officials and the ex-players wash their dirty laundry out in the open. I don't know whether it was right for him to send the legal notices to his critics. And it maybe a good idea to withdraw them and sort out the issues in private, rather than publicizing this issue anymore.

No one denying his recent contribution to PCB but it's also true that at the same time, under his watch shit talking went to another level.

Even PCB's official twitter account acts like it's handled by some teenager (trolling teams on getting knocked out from WC).

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Ha! 6 teams, well let's see.  

[kro55]

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This is nothing new for Pakistan they are in last four or last two with their any kind of performance in most events, and they are not luckiest for the first time they have many lucky days in their past as well but still here we have problem with the Pakistan sports and all cricketing system which is never been in good shape specially now as we have too many ways to give our opinion still positive things not happening most of the former players are uneducated, and they have not good skills and techniques which help new generation players.

So, the best thing is just coming on any news channel which is currently very cheap way and talk about all shit even many players which capable of having good mindset and can bring good changes are not interested to help just talk and having good views on YouTube channel and trying to influence some political person for having good job this is current culture which is not going to change in next few years as they are not stable in finances and as well in political base.

I have seen a lot of people, and also a lot of YouTube channels saying anything just to get views, even though a lot of times it does not make sense. Why would you cuss your own country’s team even when they are reaching the finals?

People have to realize that cussing them is not going to make them play better. If they really want some upgrades, they can always go to the coaches and say what they are doing wrong. I think people are always doing something which is not helpful, trying to practice their freedom of speech.

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My question is what Rameez had to do with the poor performance during the initial two matches? When the Pakistani team performed well during the New Zealand tri-series, the credit went to the players and not to the management. When that is the case, the poor performance during the initial stages of the world cup should also be attributed to the players. Managing the PCB is not an easy task, but Rameez has done a wonderful job so far. So I am in favor of letting him continue with the job, without much harassment.

Like i mentioned above, whenever Pakistan are performing poorly they would attack the coaches and the management. There was a time when Waqar Younis was their coach and when they fail terribly everyone would attack him including Ramiz Raja as part of the commentary team. There are some crazy things said by Ramiz Raja as well in the past and now he is under attack because he is the PCB chairman and he is still making statements in Twitter.
Teams with billion dollar leagues are falling behind us this is the statement by Ramiz Raja when India lost to England in the semi finals and when someone voices their opinion he is sending legal notices to them and that rings a bell as a hypocrite   .

This "Billion dollar" Jab is just one example. There are quite a few instances where he becomes loose cannon against opposition teams " Beat em and we'll get a blank check" "Kohli scored a ton against 3rd rate team -Afganistan-)". Imagine ECB, CA, BCCI's president start talking like this.
I like the show you were referring to in your previous comment. The only thing I hate is when they bring religion into everything. Some might still remember Waqar Younis's bigoted comment last year, he came out as a true Islamist and later he had to apologize in public but it was just a damage control tactic IMO.

I really hate it when they bring in something and make it about religion. There is no need to do that at all. Now I know that there are a lot of controversies going on with the ICC and the way they handle things. A lot of people do say that India is always being favored by the ICC. But the thing is people are not going to respect your team. If you do not respect it yourself. And respect will always come when you start playing well.

As you said, Virat Kohli was out of form for quite a while. But I don’t think that former cricketers or even the media of India said anything bad about Virat Kohli. They supported their flair when he needed them the most.

[SATWAT]

^^^ There are no saints here. Rameez has done wonders for the PCB, and let's focus on that rather than the verbal duels. But I agree that he should not react to the provocations and need to act in a calm manner. It is not going to be beneficial for anyone, if the PCB officials and the ex-players wash their dirty laundry out in the open. I don't know whether it was right for him to send the legal notices to his critics. And it maybe a good idea to withdraw them and sort out the issues in private, rather than publicizing this issue anymore.

No one denying his recent contribution to PCB but it's also true that at the same time, under his watch shit talking went to another level.

Even PCB's official twitter account acts like it's handled by some teenager (trolling teams on getting knocked out from WC).

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Ha! 6 teams, well let's see.  

@JSRAW here I am not agreed with you because official account is surely doing not trolling or anything wrong because they all know how to do things in positively even few things are not good but surely this all is part of the game.

[JSRAW]

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@JSRAW here I am not agreed with you because official account is surely doing not trolling or anything wrong because they all know how to do things in positively even few things are not good but surely this all is part of the game.

They deleted the 2 posts regarding South Africa and India. When I saw those tweets then I had to recheck if it was some parody account and to my surprise, it wasn't.

This "Billion dollar" Jab is just one example. There are quite a few instances where he becomes loose cannon against opposition teams " Beat em and we'll get a blank check" "Kohli scored a ton against 3rd rate team -Afganistan-)". Imagine ECB, CA, BCCI's president start talking like this.
I like the show you were referring to in your previous comment. The only thing I hate is when they bring religion into everything. Some might still remember Waqar Younis's bigoted comment last year, he came out as a true Islamist and later he had to apologize in public but it was just a damage control tactic IMO.

I really hate it when they bring in something and make it about religion. There is no need to do that at all. Now I know that there are a lot of controversies going on with the ICC and the way they handle things. A lot of people do say that India is always being favored by the ICC. But the thing is people are not going to respect your team. If you do not respect it yourself. And respect will always come when you start playing well.

As you said, Virat Kohli was out of form for quite a while. But I don’t think that former cricketers or even the media of India said anything bad about Virat Kohli. They supported their flair when he needed them the most.

Well to be fair to them, for some weird reason almost everyone from Pakistani side brings religion. Be it Waqar's comment or recently Rizwan's post-match interview after winning the semis against kiwis.

I can't imagine such language from BCCI's officials, Indian commentator or Indian team. 

[pakhitheboss]

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@JSRAW here I am not agreed with you because official account is surely doing not trolling or anything wrong because they all know how to do things in positively even few things are not good but surely this all is part of the game.

They deleted the 2 posts regarding South Africa and India. When I saw those tweets then I had to recheck if it was some parody account and to my surprise, it wasn't.

This "Billion dollar" Jab is just one example. There are quite a few instances where he becomes loose cannon against opposition teams " Beat em and we'll get a blank check" "Kohli scored a ton against 3rd rate team -Afganistan-)". Imagine ECB, CA, BCCI's president start talking like this.
I like the show you were referring to in your previous comment. The only thing I hate is when they bring religion into everything. Some might still remember Waqar Younis's bigoted comment last year, he came out as a true Islamist and later he had to apologize in public but it was just a damage control tactic IMO.

I really hate it when they bring in something and make it about religion. There is no need to do that at all. Now I know that there are a lot of controversies going on with the ICC and the way they handle things. A lot of people do say that India is always being favored by the ICC. But the thing is people are not going to respect your team. If you do not respect it yourself. And respect will always come when you start playing well.

As you said, Virat Kohli was out of form for quite a while. But I don’t think that former cricketers or even the media of India said anything bad about Virat Kohli. They supported their flair when he needed them the most.

Well to be fair to them, for some weird reason almost everyone from Pakistani side brings religion. Be it Waqar's comment or recently Rizwan's post-match interview after winning the semis against kiwis.

I can't imagine such language from BCCI's officials, Indian commentator or Indian team. 

Well! Half of the Pakistani team believe in tabliq. There is nothing wrong in preaching your religion but mixing it up with professional sports is a concern. The biggest example of such kind of behaviour was when Md Rizwan plaided the lord for his achievements in the semifinal against SA multiple time. The clip has become viral now. It is a controversial topic and I personally think sports should not be mixed with religious activities.

[fullhdpixel]

It remains to be seen how Pakistan cricket has improved during his tenure. Whatever the cricket board chairman says irrelevantly. But it is true that even though Pakistan cricket has improved, Ramij Raja is viewed negatively by many in the cricketing world. Because there is some differences in his speech. After all we want every country's cricket to thrive and conduct cricket with honesty and integrity. As a result at least cricket will improve.

No doubt we have too many positive changes after arrival of Ramiz Raja as President of PCB even till very long way to go for them if they want to be bigger and stable in this game and around the world but still good approach by him for handling things which was never been good and favourable for the long term games future but as few already mentioning above positive and negative points of this post and attitude this is surely happening in subcontinent specially in Pakistan because system is not strong and many form cricketers which fail to have any post or contract with leagues can also show their frustration even they never deserve for this post, but they feel it's not justifying by them hopefully things will be changed, and they could be able to understand this all.

[ZAINmalik75]

It remains to be seen how Pakistan cricket has improved during his tenure. Whatever the cricket board chairman says irrelevantly. But it is true that even though Pakistan cricket has improved,

Everyone see how Pakistan improve entire things which required for best team like feilding, batting, bowling.
No doubt we have always best team but feilding and batting were the two main problem which didn't allow us to beat the big team like India in world cup , but with the help of PSL and ramiz raja Pakistan build a strong team which has ability to beat any team at any big event.
So everyone should accept that Pakistan is now improve side at every side so be aware 🕶️

[darewaller]

I really hate it when they bring in something and make it about religion. There is no need to do that at all. Now I know that there are a lot of controversies going on with the ICC and the way they handle things. A lot of people do say that India is always being favored by the ICC. But the thing is people are not going to respect your team. If you do not respect it yourself. And respect will always come when you start playing well.

As you said, Virat Kohli was out of form for quite a while. But I don’t think that former cricketers or even the media of India said anything bad about Virat Kohli. They supported their flair when he needed them the most.

Here we have to understand few things specially culture of subcontinent where religion is key factor for last few decades because of political influence so if someone doing things like this even never been good or liked but still happening because they have no other positive way to give their personal thoughts.

So, they include things like these which create more mess up even many crimes are going happen just in these religion circumstances but no one can do anything positive for change as education and personal sentiments are having big impact on this all and remember one thing creating of Pakistan is also just based on religion so this all is part of the life and nothing can change in near future.

[Naficopa]

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@JSRAW here I am not agreed with you because official account is surely doing not trolling or anything wrong because they all know how to do things in positively even few things are not good but surely this all is part of the game.

They deleted the 2 posts regarding South Africa and India. When I saw those tweets then I had to recheck if it was some parody account and to my surprise, it wasn't.

This "Billion dollar" Jab is just one example. There are quite a few instances where he becomes loose cannon against opposition teams " Beat em and we'll get a blank check" "Kohli scored a ton against 3rd rate team -Afganistan-)". Imagine ECB, CA, BCCI's president start talking like this.
I like the show you were referring to in your previous comment. The only thing I hate is when they bring religion into everything. Some might still remember Waqar Younis's bigoted comment last year, he came out as a true Islamist and later he had to apologize in public but it was just a damage control tactic IMO.

I really hate it when they bring in something and make it about religion. There is no need to do that at all. Now I know that there are a lot of controversies going on with the ICC and the way they handle things. A lot of people do say that India is always being favored by the ICC. But the thing is people are not going to respect your team. If you do not respect it yourself. And respect will always come when you start playing well.

As you said, Virat Kohli was out of form for quite a while. But I don’t think that former cricketers or even the media of India said anything bad about Virat Kohli. They supported their flair when he needed them the most.

Well to be fair to them, for some weird reason almost everyone from Pakistani side brings religion. Be it Waqar's comment or recently Rizwan's post-match interview after winning the semis against kiwis.

I can't imagine such language from BCCI's officials, Indian commentator or Indian team. 

Well! Half of the Pakistani team believe in tabliq. There is nothing wrong in preaching your religion but mixing it up with professional sports is a concern. The biggest example of such kind of behaviour was when Md Rizwan plaided the lord for his achievements in the semifinal against SA multiple time. The clip has become viral now. It is a controversial topic and I personally think sports should not be mixed with religious activities.

I don't think there is anything wrong with being grateful to your God on your success and mentioning that infront of media or press conferences. Yes some people talk about and mention their religion at their every achievement and some don't but yes the sports should be limited to things in ground .
Yes but avoid talking against anyone's belief and make it controversial.

[mm2543363580]

It remains to be seen how Pakistan cricket has improved during his tenure. Whatever the cricket board chairman says irrelevantly. But it is true that even though Pakistan cricket has improved, Ramij Raja is viewed negatively by many in the cricketing world. Because there is some differences in his speech. After all we want every country's cricket to thrive and conduct cricket with honesty and integrity. As a result at least cricket will improve.

No doubt we have too many positive changes after arrival of Ramiz Raja as President of PCB even till very long way to go for them if they want to be bigger and stable in this game and around the world but still good approach by him for handling things which was never been good and favourable for the long term games future but as few already mentioning above positive and negative points of this post and attitude this is surely happening in subcontinent specially in Pakistan because system is not strong and many form cricketers which fail to have any post or contract with leagues can also show their frustration even they never deserve for this post, but they feel it's not justifying by them hopefully things will be changed, and they could be able to understand this all.

Pakistan has emerged as a strongest team in the world in almost 2 3 years and hard work is obvious in that . Definitely there is a role of PCB in that too from finding these great talented boys and polish them to bring the best out of them. Everything is clear and transparent so just appreciate things right now and look at the positive side of the picture.

[Sithara007]

Ha! 6 teams, well let's see.  

Just defeats the whole purpose. What is the point in having a six-team competition? I don't think that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) will even approve this stupid plan. All of the Olympic sports have a well-defined qualification criteria, and they have geographic representation from all the continents. ICC's idea will be rejected outright (perhaps they want this, since they can use as an excuse).

Let's compare some of the sports in 2020 Tokyo Olympics:

Football: 16 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament), 12 for the women's tournament.
Baseball: 6 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Basketball: 12 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Field hockey: 12 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Handball: 12 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Rugby Sevens: 12 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Softball: 6 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Volleyball: 12 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)

As you can see, only baseball and softball are the items with less than 12 participants. And in any case, all the participants need to take part in the qualifying tournament. The idea of a qualifying tournament will be unpalatable for the ICC.

I checked the ICC proposal:
https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/cricket-set-for-olympic-return-icc-propose-6-team-men-and-women-tournament-for-la-2028-reports-article-95624067

They don't want qualifying tournament, and want teams to qualify based on their own ranking. This proposal will be rejected outright by the IOC.

[JSRAW]

Ha! 6 teams, well let's see.  

Just defeats the whole purpose. What is the point in having a six-team competition? I don't think that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) will even approve this stupid plan. All of the Olympic sports have a well-defined qualification criteria, and they have geographic representation from all the continents. ICC's idea will be rejected outright (perhaps they want this, since they can use as an excuse).

Let's compare some of the sports in 2020 Tokyo Olympics:

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As you can see, only baseball and softball are the items with less than 12 participants. And in any case, all the participants need to take part in the qualifying tournament. The idea of a qualifying tournament will be unpalatable for the ICC.

I checked the ICC proposal:
https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/cricket-set-for-olympic-return-icc-propose-6-team-men-and-women-tournament-for-la-2028-reports-article-95624067

They don't want qualifying tournament, and want teams to qualify based on their own ranking. This proposal will be rejected outright by the IOC.

Ofc this proposal is ridiculous but hey at least it's moving forward and not going backward, so I'm optimistic.

I actually hate ICC's behavior on the qualification process, it's just flowed idea that they keep doing this on a rank basis and seriously I don't have any expectations from them as far as ICC tournaments are concern but IOC has power so there is some hope for Olymic qualification.

[Sithara007]

Ofc this proposal is ridiculous but hey at least it's moving forward and not going backward, so I'm optimistic.

I actually hate ICC's behavior on the qualification process, it's just flowed idea that they keep doing this on a rank basis and seriously I don't have any expectations from them as far as ICC tournaments are concern but IOC has power so there is some hope for Olymic qualification.

Their ranking system is a big joke. Namibia is placed in no.14 on the rankings table, but they have never played against Bangladesh, who are at no.9. Then how can the associate nations move up the table? Even for sports such as baseball, the IOC has the requirement of a qualifying tournament. I don't think that they will waive that for cricket. The ICC administrators are still living in their la la land. They believe that the IOC needs them more than the other way around. And we are talking about a sport, that is no.1 only in a few countries in South Asia.

[vvikkass]

Ofc this proposal is ridiculous but hey at least it's moving forward and not going backward, so I'm optimistic.

I actually hate ICC's behavior on the qualification process, it's just flowed idea that they keep doing this on a rank basis and seriously I don't have any expectations from them as far as ICC tournaments are concern but IOC has power so there is some hope for Olymic qualification.

Their ranking system is a big joke. Namibia is placed in no.14 on the rankings table, but they have never played against Bangladesh, who are at no.9. Then how can the associate nations move up the table? Even for sports such as baseball, the IOC has the requirement of a qualifying tournament. I don't think that they will waive that for cricket. The ICC administrators are still living in their la la land. They believe that the IOC needs them more than the other way around. And we are talking about a sport, that is no.1 only in a few countries in South Asia.

As long as you don't bring more countries to cricket this whole system will be a big joke. We have a cricket world cup of 10 teams, do you think that's not a joke? ICC administration only care about interest of Big 3 and IPL since thats where money is coming from, rest are not on there priority list.

[ZAINmalik75]

It remains to be seen how Pakistan cricket has improved during his tenure. Whatever the cricket board chairman says irrelevantly. But it is true that even though Pakistan cricket has improved, Ramij Raja is viewed negatively by many in the cricketing world. Because there is some differences in his speech. After all we want every country's cricket to thrive and conduct cricket with honesty and integrity. As a result at least cricket will improve.

No doubt we have too many positive changes after arrival of Ramiz Raja as President of PCB even till very long way to go for them if they want to be bigger and stable in this game and around the world but still good approach by him for handling things which was never been good and favourable for the long term games future but as few already mentioning above positive and negative points of this post and attitude this is surely happening in subcontinent specially in Pakistan because system is not strong and many form cricketers which fail to have any post or contract with leagues can also show their frustration even they never deserve for this post, but they feel it's not justifying by them hopefully things will be changed, and they could be able to understand this all.

Pakistan has emerged as a strongest team in the world in almost 2 3 years and hard work is obvious in that . Definitely there is a role of PCB in that too from finding these great talented boys and polish them to bring the best out of them. Everything is clear and transparent so just appreciate things right now and look at the positive side of the picture.

Pakistan works hard to develop players that's why we see so many good quality players in Pakistan. But I think Pakistan has many good quality players but it took them a long time to develop these players. But their players play very nice game.  Almost every match we don't go.Pakistan are cool players.

Yeh absolutely right Pakistan work too hard to get geniuenly strong and talented player and due to these reasons Pakistan organize Pakistan Super League (PSL) and due to this league Pakistan got new rising start like Haris Rauf , Shaheen Afridi, Naseem, M.Haris, Haider, and many other and the good thing is that huge young talent are on the way due to Pakistan Junior League (PJL) where PCB are in search of young gem which will raised under the strong coaching staff.
Soon Pakistan will be improve more then now

[darewaller]

Their ranking system is a big joke. Namibia is placed in no.14 on the rankings table, but they have never played against Bangladesh, who are at no.9. Then how can the associate nations move up the table? Even for sports such as baseball, the IOC has the requirement of a qualifying tournament. I don't think that they will waive that for cricket. The ICC administrators are still living in their la la land. They believe that the IOC needs them more than the other way around. And we are talking about a sport, that is no.1 only in a few countries in South Asia.

As we already talk many times about ICC and their system which is completely joked they never think to improve quality of the game and never work on any other improvement which bring them as better sports organization which is surely one of the worst thing happening around here for long time which is surely going to be problem for them even they never feel about this now it's time for having few changes like introducing tier system for ODI and T20i which give all teams to play against each other for the time span one or two years which help to improve quality and this system surely give better idea about progress of the game.

With right now many countries are trying to join this T20i format surely this will create more interest and entertainment for the fans with financial mindset will also change specially now as we are having USA which is also going to start their own franchise league system surely big improvement for them game in near future.

[Sithara007]

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With right now many countries are trying to join this T20i format surely this will create more interest and entertainment for the fans with financial mindset will also change specially now as we are having USA which is also going to start their own franchise league system surely big improvement for them game in near future.

USA is the blue-eyed boy of the ICC. Every year the ICC showers the USACA with millions of USD in funds, hoping that one day they will get some returns out of it. And the USACA uses this money to attract former players from West Indies and South Africa to play for their "national" team. The ICC even provided automatic qualification for the United States for the next edition of the T20 world cup. And despite all the dramatics, the popularity of cricket within the US has remained confined to the expat population. The natives have baseball, and they are not interested in cricket.

[savetheFORUM]

USA is the blue-eyed boy of the ICC. Every year the ICC showers the USACA with millions of USD in funds, hoping that one day they will get some returns out of it. And the USACA uses this money to attract former players from West Indies and South Africa to play for their "national" team. The ICC even provided automatic qualification for the United States for the next edition of the T20 world cup. And despite all the dramatics, the popularity of cricket within the US has remained confined to the expat population. The natives have baseball, and they are not interested in cricket.

Here I agreed with you about this all but in the USA we have big communities from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and few other cricket loving countries which can help in this case and this game can go on good way even it's not easy, but ICC is investing in this market which is surely good for this region specially while we are losing grounds in West Indies and most chances in next few years we will be on decline due to conflict between players and WICB which is doing no positive development for the game and having increase their talent base and bring back some better things for this game.

Natives are surely not take this all easily because they already have strong based in Baseball, Football and Basketball which is doing amazing progress and having very strong grassroots in this all region.

[laurenB7742]

USA is the blue-eyed boy of the ICC. Every year the ICC showers the USACA with millions of USD in funds, hoping that one day they will get some returns out of it. And the USACA uses this money to attract former players from West Indies and South Africa to play for their "national" team. The ICC even provided automatic qualification for the United States for the next edition of the T20 world cup. And despite all the dramatics, the popularity of cricket within the US has remained confined to the expat population. The natives have baseball, and they are not interested in cricket.

If the USA starts playing cricket more seriously, ICC is going to benefit a lot from them because looking at the USA, a lot of other countries are also going to be very interested in cricket. But that is not happening. The USA is just here because ICC is giving them a shitload of money. Those types of money are not even being given to the top-tier African teams. And the USA is getting that money for free. I wouldn’t have any problem with this type of money actually including the popularity of cricket in the USA. But that did not happen either.

Here I agreed with you about this all but in the USA we have big communities from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and few other cricket loving countries which can help in this case and this game can go on good way even it's not easy, but ICC is investing in this market which is surely good for this region specially while we are losing grounds in West Indies and most chances in next few years we will be on decline due to conflict between players and WICB which is doing no positive development for the game and having increase their talent base and bring back some better things for this game.

Natives are surely not take this all easily because they already have strong based in Baseball, Football and Basketball which is doing amazing progress and having very strong grassroots in this all region.

The problem is, they are playing with players from the subcontinent. If they were serious about cricket, which I don’t think they are, they would have played with native players. At least that would have tried to make a team that is mostly made out of native players. And they would have also searched for players throughout some talent hunt.