Butterflylabs Huge SCAM

[User705]

45,000 shipped units later, we see what an idiot Volavak and Elux truly are.  This is why you don't listen to the current crop of trolls like Darin "Bicknellski" Bicknell, Christian "Xian" Antkow, Bryan "I'm a degenerate" Micon, etc... they all have no idea what they are talking about and have agendas to push.  They simply can not be honest with you and post truthful information.  They *must* post false information to prop up their false allegations and outright lies, upon lies, upon lies.  Then they disappear... *poof* when it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they lied and lied about everything they claimed was true of BFL.

Cast as many aspersions as you want... BFL is still here.  BFL has delivered more units than any other vendor and powers most of the network than anyone else.  Where are the trolls?  Gone... but there's always new ones waiting to take their place.

Inaba is always ABC.  No pre-ordered asics will be in your hand for a price significantly less then the market price for those asics at the time of delivery.  Avalon batch 1 was the only fluke and that's because obviously it was 1st and revolutionary.  Everything else after from BFL to HF will follow that rule.  Take everything any asic company claims with a grain of salt.

[Inaba]

Don't be a pedantic idiot, Puppet.  The guy was claiming that it shocked him and that it was plugged into his Jalapeno and also blew out the rest of his equipment... which would mean the wire would have to carry enough amps to do that, meaning it would melt @ 120v.

Utter bullshit. Even a tiny load can destroy electronic equipment. Even a static discharge. Never seen the anti static wrist bands your employees hopefully use? Static electricity discharges can easily exceed 10000V. But you think such discharge can burn through a USB wire?

But you already knew that, right?  You just wanted to post yet another troll with your worthless, utterly idiotic, mind numbing stupidity.

In short: You're a moron, please go back to your BFL forums with the rest of the idiots and leave the adults alone

Yes, true, everything you spew is utter bullshit.  Seriously, take 5 seconds out of your constant inane babble, stop drooling all over your keyboard and actually read the thread and try to understand it (you can read and understand advanced concepts beyond the kindergarten level, right?  I'm not so sure.).  Until then, just sit back, relax and keep your little bib on to keep the spittle from soaking into your shirt.  Seriously... think before you post.  Try it just once in your life, see how it works out. 

[Puppet]

Yes, true, everything you spew is utter bullshit.  Seriously, take 5 seconds out of your constant inane babble, stop drooling all over your keyboard and actually read the thread and try to understand it

Oh I did. And other threads too. You dont have to be an EE to figure out what happened:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/5295-throw-away-your-bfl-single-power-supply-hazardous.html

You guys are shipping fucking dangerous PSU's that are almost certainly illegal too. But instead of tackling that issue you have nothing better to do than make braindead comments about how its impossible that 120V would travel through a USB cable and insulting everyone on every board.

Some COO you are.

[wtfvanity]

45,000 shipped units later, we see what an idiot Volavak and Elux truly are.  This is why you don't listen to the current crop of trolls like Darin "Bicknellski" Bicknell, Christian "Xian" Antkow, Bryan "I'm a degenerate" Micon, etc... they all have no idea what they are talking about and have agendas to push.  They simply can not be honest with you and post truthful information.  They *must* post false information to prop up their false allegations and outright lies, upon lies, upon lies.  Then they disappear... *poof* when it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they lied and lied about everything they claimed was true of BFL.

Cast as many aspersions as you want... BFL is still here.  BFL has delivered more units than any other vendor and powers most of the network than anyone else.  Where are the trolls?  Gone... but there's always new ones waiting to take their place.

Yet, you're still behind on shipping 5 months.... when are you going to catch up? That's right, you aren't because you've already started your next prorder scam.
Last shipping update:

Jalapenos 5 gh/s: June 7, 2013

Little Singles 25 gh/s and 30 Upgrades: Aug 25, 2013

[fractal02]

Yet, you're still behind on shipping 5 months.... when are you going to catch up? That's right, you aren't because you've already started your next prorder scam.
Last shipping update:

Jalapenos 5 gh/s: June 7, 2013

Little Singles 25 gh/s and 30 Upgrades: Aug 25, 2013

Man...you are truly outdated...or a liar...



Josh have Pros and cons but i pretty hate liar shit like most of the pathetic/pathological trolls.

Come with strong argument or go home.

[Dealazer]

Butter Fly Labs apparently filled the orders of FPGA's and it would sertainly not take long for stupid people to invest more into real expensive units arriving in March?, and it would certainly be a good business too extensively fill the first order, and not too fill the order of second delivery that started in November, this really stinks, but I really must say they can deliver, but it's real risky if they apparently get orders of 30M or apparently more, and then decide to not fill the request of orders, profit would be high enough to drive price of Bitcoin up or real much down, even for orders not filled it would take Bitcoin to go sky high in value, cause difficulty would not be stateable higher the first months when people should actually get the shipment.

So be aware that March would be an special speculative month for Bitcoin. It will raise or fall dramaticly in value if orders are fullfilled or not.

[wtfvanity]

Yet, you're still behind on shipping 5 months.... when are you going to catch up? That's right, you aren't because you've already started your next prorder scam.
Last shipping update:

Jalapenos 5 gh/s: June 7, 2013

Little Singles 25 gh/s and 30 Upgrades: Aug 25, 2013

Man...you are truly outdated...or a liar...

Josh have Pros and cons but i pretty hate liar shit like most of the pathetic/pathological trolls.

Come with strong argument or go home.

Since the title didn't say all caught up, or anything like that, didn't read it. Last one that had a shipping report was just days before that and is exactly what I quoted. Only problem with jalapenos shipping in the next few days, is that really the next few days, or BFL trademarked, shipping in two weeks?

Where are the lies, I mean updates, on the monarch at ?

[LittleD]

Don't be a pedantic idiot, Puppet.  The guy was claiming that it shocked him and that it was plugged into his Jalapeno and also blew out the rest of his equipment... which would mean the wire would have to carry enough amps to do that, meaning it would melt @ 120v.

Utter bullshit. Even a tiny load can destroy electronic equipment. Even a static discharge. Never seen the anti static wrist bands your employees hopefully use? Static electricity discharges can easily exceed 10000V. But you think such discharge can burn through a USB wire?

But you already knew that, right?  You just wanted to post yet another troll with your worthless, utterly idiotic, mind numbing stupidity.

In short: You're a moron, please go back to your BFL forums with the rest of the idiots and leave the adults alone

Yes, true, everything you spew is utter bullshit.  Seriously, take 5 seconds out of your constant inane babble, stop drooling all over your keyboard and actually read the thread and try to understand it (you can read and understand advanced concepts beyond the kindergarten level, right?  I'm not so sure.).  Until then, just sit back, relax and keep your little bib on to keep the spittle from soaking into your shirt.  Seriously... think before you post.  Try it just once in your life, see how it works out.  

I dont think so!
You've been voted the numero UNO (number #1) for the least reliable ASIC company (the Voters dont Lie BUT you DO!).
Vote for the least reliable ASIC  company?
 Cointerra  5 (1.7%)
Kncminer  10 (3.4%)
Hashfast  10 (3.4%)
BUTTERFLY LABs  224 (76.7%)
Terrahash  15 (5.1%)
Avalon  28 (9.6%)
Please keep on voting dont let butterfly labs or Inaba lie to you!
Heres the link so please vote.
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323857.msg3794321#msg3794321
Thank you

[Perkaly]

have any one try refund after 90 days?

[LittleD]

have any one try refund after 90 days?

Hope it works out for you bro  

[darkmule]

Josh Zerlan what would your mother think about the way you act in public? I hope you don't kiss her with that mouth!

Kiss her with that mouth?  I'm sure he sucks "her" dick with that mouth.

[mybogusname]

so glad I didn't waste my time ordering from there.

[uncelestial]

Butter Fly Labs apparently filled the orders of FPGA's and it would sertainly not take long for stupid people to invest more into real expensive units arriving in March?, and it would certainly be a good business too extensively fill the first order, and not too fill the order of second delivery that started in November, this really stinks, but I really must say they can deliver, but it's real risky if they apparently get orders of 30M or apparently more, and then decide to not fill the request of orders, profit would be high enough to drive price of Bitcoin up or real much down, even for orders not filled it would take Bitcoin to go sky high in value, cause difficulty would not be stateable higher the first months when people should actually get the shipment.

So be aware that March would be an special speculative month for Bitcoin. It will raise or fall dramaticly in value if orders are fullfilled or not.

Actually I think that difficulty in mining is all that would be affected if the mining system were flooded with multi-TH/s machines. The price of BTC is just a function of what a willing buyer of BTC will pay on a fiat exchange.

[AustenN]

I was also extremely close to buying one! Super glade I went with my ASIC erupter.

[Puppet]

Yes, true, everything you spew is utter bullshit.  Seriously, take 5 seconds out of your constant inane babble, stop drooling all over your keyboard and actually read the thread and try to understand it

Oh I did. And other threads too. You dont have to be an EE to figure out what happened:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/5295-throw-away-your-bfl-single-power-supply-hazardous.html

You guys are shipping fucking dangerous PSU's that are almost certainly illegal too. But instead of tackling that issue you have nothing better to do than make braindead comments about how its impossible that 120V would travel through a USB cable and insulting everyone on every board.

Some COO you are.

Just today, 5 BFL customers reporting their PSU died, killing their miner in the process:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/6643-jalapeno-power-brick-died-usb-port-now-killed.html

Several more stories here, with power trips and even sparks reported from the USB  port:
"only just touched the port without even inserting and several bright sparks arced from the USB cable to the iMac"
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/5989-safety-issue-jalapeno-causing-power-trips-sparking-usb-port.html

You think those were 12V arcs Josh? Yet strangely, not one reported their USB cable actually melted. But Im the moron right?

BTW no one seems able to get through to CS for an RMA, I guess that couldnt have anything to do with they COO being preoccupied with insulting people on other forums. A man in your function must prioritize.


edit: despite the broken english, this message is pretty darn crystal clear I think:

Problem is in power sources because besides regular output DC 13V 6A (as writen on bottom) passes through also part of AC from power grid. In Czech rep. we have 230V AC in grid and between DC output connector of powers ource and grounding pole in outlet was about 110V AC so about half voltage came through and was grounded by USB ports and ground wire in my PC PSU!!!
Lucky me that PC, three Jalapenos and also three Lancelot miners wasn't fried by these shity power sources...

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/6213-my-circuit-breakers-keep-tripping-while-i-connected-my-5-gh-s-bitcoin-miner.html#post66627

110V on the USB ground. Where did we hear that before? No molten wires though. Now go tell your customers they are morons Josh, thats what you do best.

[Inaba]

110V on the USB ground. Where did we hear that before? No molten wires though. Now go tell your customers they are morons Josh, thats what you do best.

The customers aren't morons, it's just you.  Check the mirror.

[Puppet]

The customers aren't morons, it's just you.  Check the mirror.

Ah yes, no substance, only ad hominems. Tell me Josh, do you still maintain its impossible your customers measure 110V on their USB ports?

[Inaba]

The customers aren't morons, it's just you.  Check the mirror.

Ah yes, no substance, only ad hominems. Tell me Josh, do you still maintain its impossible your customers measure 110V on their USB ports?

Only because you are so pathetic, you're not really worth anything more than that.

To answer you question: No and I've never maintained that... but again, you're too stupid to understand that I suppose.  Reading comprehension is a real trial for you, isn't it?

But lets talk about ad hominem attacks... I wonder who started it.  

Oh look, it was you!

Josh shows his intimate understanding of Ohm's law

Please, go ahead and cry some more when someone makes a mean at you after you act like a complete tool.  Waaaaaa.  Looks like our conversation is done, you are unable to hold an intelligent one.

[Puppet]

I may not be a match for your ability to insult people, but my reading comprehension is just fine josh.

'There's no way a USB cable would support 120v, it would melt almost instantly the minute it touched anything.'


No amount of context makes that statement remotely correct. And in this case the context was that the guy actually measured 120V on the USB ground, he made no claims about any load. When I pointed out how ridiculous your statement was,  you "clarified"

'The guy was claiming that it shocked him and that it was plugged into his Jalapeno and also blew out the rest of his equipment... which would mean the wire would have to carry enough amps to do that, meaning it would melt @ 120v.'


Which is no more correct than your first statement, as common sense and basic knowledge of EE and ground loops would tell you, and as indicated by countless posts on your support forum. Your life threateningly shoddy PSUs are leaking 120V through the ground and to the USB, in many cases frying the electronics and tripping circuits, exactly as claimed in the first post you dismissed as impossible. So now its no longer impossible, or did I misread that too?

[aquarat]

'There's no way a USB cable would support 120v, it would melt almost instantly the minute it touched anything.'

I have a lot of Raspberry Pis... they all use 5V PSUs. A few months back I bought some Chinese wall worts and used them with my Pis. The Pis ran fine... but when I happened to touch ground on one of the Pis and another grounded metal object nearby I got a massive continuous shock. A multimeter showed that 240vac was present between the USB charger's ground and earth. So now I make sure I test wall worts before use.

So yes, you could put 500v down a standard USB cable, the voltage isn't the issue, it's the Amps. A prolonged short circuit at high voltage will draw enough amps to destroy the cable.

I ordered a 30GH unit from BFL... I didn't think they'd deliver and it took ages... but to my astonishment they did deliver and the machine in question is working just fine. The PSU of the machine is big, more than adequately specc'ed for the purpose and certainly isn't "leaking" electricity.

My only gripe, apart from the delays, is that the unit I ordered and received didn't have a strong enough airflow to keep the chips running cool enough to avoid thermal throttling (at 21 deg C), but removal of the grilles on either side of the case fixed that problem.

BFL has made mistakes... Blackmagic Design has recently too with their incredibly late 4k cameras... but I think a lot of the issues BFL has been experiencing are self-fulfilling prophecies (our self-fulfilling prophecies).