If your going to pretend to be quoting me, then just rewrite what I said incorrectly and make up a false argument, then it's entirely pointless to even read your comments- I did not say "everyone gets sued, it doesnt mean anything". What I said is "As far as this "lawsuit" goes, all companies that grow get sued." Companies that never grow have a decent chance of not getting sued. Companies that aspire to grow and succeed at it, do get sued. Since disagreements always occur as a company gets larger and anybody can file suit who feels like it, the suit doesn't mean anything until the facts are shown. It's why tort reform is such a hot issue in business. It's why VC companies always have lawyers on retainer. This is an example of you yet again misleading people.
- Um the board with no wiring is clearly marked "Prototype". I don't know if you noticed, but it also doesn't have a chip in it. What is it then? I'm guessing an early prototype used for checking physical layout of components. But that's not anything I know for sure, all I can say is it is a prototype and I imagine that's why it doesn't have any visible electric paths
- Ummm holy shit things end up changing when you move from theory to implementation?!?! Form factor changes?!?!? oh noes /sarcasm. . .um have you ever designed and built something? Even just a tree house? It always changes from what you were originally thinking.
- Yay! you can make arbitrary statements and use the basic features of photoshop. nice mockup of a card . . .irrelevant.
- Ummm yeah the water cooling system takes up more space. . .duh, your point?
hah. . .I wish I got paid for doing this, but no I'm just a customer. And I'm happy with the product. I hang out with a bunch of customers, that are also happy with their products. Some of them have been with bfl since fpga, some were early asic owners, some were later. Did we all wish the magical internet money machine had arrived earlier? Yes, but it didn't and we still did good to fine on return, in fact we still run the old hardware and make money doing it. I will put one caveat here. I don't use btc to make btc (buy mining equipment), that approach never made sense to me. I view it as an entry point for fiat conversion and a way to do your part to secure the network.
Finally, why am I here arguing with you? It's not because I think I'm going to change your mind. I'm doing it because this section of the forum is for new people to learn about bitcoin. I don't feel this thread is telling a story about BFL and informing people. It is vicious and contains a bunch of people that invested in hardware with unrealistic expectations. BFL was a fledgling company that set lofty goals for itself. They had a small staff attempting to build a product no one had ever seen before. The demand for which, out paced the size of their company. They had design issues (that anybody who'd looked at the "lofty goal" they set, would have expected or minimum seen as a risk in purchasing). They didn't just do a straight fpga port to a more power efficient chip (aka AM/Avalon chip). They weren't the best communicators (a bit of sarcastic understatement) with their customers and between each other. You combine all this with bitcoin mania, massive influx of users, a small support staff and an order queue that went through the roof and you get exactly what happened. I have huge respect for them fighting through all of it and delivering massive amount of product we saw hit the streets this past summer. I don't feel anybody should have sympathy for them, because they got their reward when they delivered the product. They get massive respect from me though, I know that early 2013 sucked, that they worked their ass off, and the whole world was screaming at them. That takes commitment and a real desire to succeed. I don't like that a bunch of people with the emotional maturity of 2 y.o., who got butt hurt because their magical internet money machine arrived late, and are representing a massive skewed view to the new people in the forums, then representing it as "the facts" about bfl.
BFL has/will always get my respect. They are the little group of people that had the balls to try and aspire into new business, messed up, faced a massive ire/paranoia of this community, soldiered on, and actually delivered a product. They didn't fold and run. They didn't give up. They didn't scam anybody.
Everyone would always like to have gotten more bitcoin, but that's the nature of the beast.
Ugghh, Oh my gosh, I was shortening down the "block of text" that forum users dislike seeing and often skip rather than read, I was simply trying to compact things.
In any case/spot/place where you say that I "pretend to be quoting me, then just rewrite what I said incorrectly and make up a false argument" Call it a Fuckup on my side of interpreting your words, In no way am I trying to alter the meaning/point of your statements, I want to be clear on that.
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I did not say "everyone gets sued, it doesnt mean anything". What I said is "As far as this "lawsuit" goes, all companies that grow get sued." Companies that never grow have a decent chance of not getting sued. Companies that aspire to grow and succeed at it, do get sued. Since disagreements always occur as a company gets larger and anybody can file suit who feels like it, the suit doesn't mean anything until the facts are shown. It's why tort reform is such a hot issue in business. It's why VC companies always have lawyers on retainer. This is an example of you yet again misleading people
Alright sure, I'll give you that any large growing company is going to eventually get sued *eyroll* thats like saying every growing store is going to get stuff stolen from them atleast once, It's not a true fact, it's not 100% garunteed, but it's definitley going to happen.
Um the board with no wiring is clearly marked "Prototype". I don't know if you noticed, but it also doesn't have a chip in it. What is it then? I'm guessing an early prototype used for checking physical layout of components. But that's not anything I know for sure, all I can say is it is a prototype and I imagine that's why it doesn't have any visible electric paths
Yes, yes it is clearly marked as a protoype, So how the hell is it certified in those three differant ways?
Ummm holy shit things end up changing when you move from theory to implementation?!?! Form factor changes?!?!? oh noes /sarcasm. . .um have you ever designed and built something? Even just a tree house? It always changes from what you were originally thinking.
I've built many things, and you are correct, it always changes from the original thought, but what BFL advertised for seven months with nice shiny banners was "products are in final stage of development Pre-order now!, shipping next month!", and i'd call that false advertising, since along with that beautiful banner were linked the BFL homepage where you could see the specifications of the device you were ordering, that nice "powered by usb" sounded awesome, "passive heatsink" was sounded beautiful compared to GPU's, and the "size of a coffe cup warmer" was just too good to be true, Yet people ordered it, and what did they get? None of those things... Sure the hashrate was higher, but so was the powerdraw, and not by an equal ratio of increase based off the advertised specifications, nor did it ship "next month" after anyone placed a pre-order until after mid 2013
Yay! you can make arbitrary statements and use the basic features of photoshop. nice mockup of a card . . .irrelevant.
I didn't make the crappy photo, just found it in the thread and used it for a quick visual refferance to BFL's promises
Ummm yeah the water cooling system takes up more space. . .duh, your point?
Their little visual image shows that it's cooled by fan, not liquid, and that it takes up two slots, not potentially more than two
BFL uses this image as an advertisement for the product
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Happy with the wall of text? Nobody other than you is gonna read this crappy argument
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So then stay here in the forums and keep doing what you do, and I will stay here doing what I do.
Don't you love how people feel the need to tell you they are putting you on their ignore list? Like it is some monumental occasion that you are being ignored by someone who has no influence on any facet of life.
It reminds me of a mouse trying to explain to a falcon that he is being ignored. What is the point? The falcon doesn't care, but I'm sure the mouse thinks that he has some measure of control over the events around him. Unfortunately for the mouse, that measure of control is purely an illusion, but I'm sure it makes the mouse feel a lot better for a brief period of time.
IKR? if they are ignoring you then why bother to interact with them in the first place? Don't wanna look at the homeless guy and give him change? Don't walk up to him and say "I'm ignoring you" just keep walking.
