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The GP should be safe from rain, well at least it will be a fun GP anyway here you can overtake

Here the weather for today

[LTU_btc]

It was another interesting race to watch. Ferrari achieved first victory in Monza since 2010 and it was second win for Leclerc in a row. Ferrari had interesting strategy - when they put medium tyres on Leclerc, I thought it's only matter of time when Lewis will overtake him with medium tyres. But in this track DRS have minimal impact and Ferrari was faster than Hamilton and Bottas in the straight. And again, we saw another total failure of Vettel...

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But in this track DRS have minimal impact and Ferrari was faster than Hamilton and Bottas in the straight.

Not really, The DRS is strong even here but the strength of Ferrare is the top speed and this is a problem on this kind of tracks.

Keep also in mind that Ferrari used setup to be fast on sector 1 and sector 3 where the max speed is important and Mercedes used setup to be strong in sector 2, where the turns are.

For this reason, Mercedes can't compete with Ferrari even if they are behind with the DRS enable.

A star is born and his name is  Charles LeClerc.


Now the question is, does Ferrari will keep Sebastian Vettel next year? Probably yes but... (I like Norris, a lot but I think an experienced drivers is needed)

[bbc.reporter]

@coinlocket$. However, there were 2 racing incidents where the stewards were very permissive on Charles Leclerc. They might have given him 1 penalty if it was not the Italian grand prix, I reckon.

I predict Sebastian will retire after this year. He is not happy.

[Naida_BR]

@coinlocket$. However, there were 2 racing incidents where the stewards were very permissive on Charles Leclerc. They might have given him 1 penalty if it was not the Italian grand prix, I reckon.

I predict Sebastian will retire after this year. He is not happy.

I have a same feeling that Leclerc should have been given 1 penalty. Mostly why the the incident with Hamilton, but that's racing.
Vettel is so bad and he does so many mistakes. He should better retire...

[coinlocket$]

@coinlocket$. However, there were 2 racing incidents where the stewards were very permissive on Charles Leclerc. They might have given him 1 penalty if it was not the Italian grand prix, I reckon.

I predict Sebastian will retire after this year. He is not happy.

Meh, the same happened 2 months ago between him and Verstappen and Max got no penalty.

You can see the video here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABKY6nbKIL4 from official youtube channel. (no copyright issue)

[swogerino]

@coinlocket$. However, there were 2 racing incidents where the stewards were very permissive on Charles Leclerc. They might have given him 1 penalty if it was not the Italian grand prix, I reckon.

I predict Sebastian will retire after this year. He is not happy.

I have a same feeling that Leclerc should have been given 1 penalty. Mostly why the the incident with Hamilton, but that's racing.
Vettel is so bad and he does so many mistakes. He should better retire...

Leclerc did nothing wrong and that is normal racing conditions what happened yesterday,even Hamilton himself did not complain and congratulate Leclerc.Now Leclerc made two legendary track wins in a row and I think he has the potential to fight for the title next year as this one was a learning year for him in Ferrari.

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2019 FORMULA 1 ITALIAN GRAND PRIX - RACE RESULTS

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   53 laps
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.835s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 35.199s
4   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   + 45.515s
5   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   + 58.165s
6   Alexander Albon   THA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 59.315s
7   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1m 13.802s
8   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 1m 14.492s
9   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1 lap
10   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 1 lap
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1 lap
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1 lap
13   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 1 lap
14   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   + 1 lap
15   Kimi Raikkonen   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1 lap
16   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 1 lap
17   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2 laps
RET   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   
RET   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   
RET   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team

Excellent race. Think it time for Ferrari to place Leclerc   as first driver. He didnt great job almost whole race was under pressure and he won the race with great skill little on the edge but this is something that was missing all this years.

[Naida_BR]

2019 FORMULA 1 ITALIAN GRAND PRIX - RACE RESULTS

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   53 laps
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.835s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 35.199s
4   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   + 45.515s
5   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   + 58.165s
6   Alexander Albon   THA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 59.315s
7   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1m 13.802s
8   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 1m 14.492s
9   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1 lap
10   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 1 lap
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1 lap
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1 lap
13   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 1 lap
14   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   + 1 lap
15   Kimi Raikkonen   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1 lap
16   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 1 lap
17   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2 laps
RET   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   
RET   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   
RET   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team

Excellent race. Think it time for Ferrari to place Leclerc   as first driver. He didnt great job almost whole race was under pressure and he won the race with great skill little on the edge but this is something that was missing all this years.

Indeed, the Italian GP was one of the best in the season's calendar.
Congratulations to Leclerc for this win, but he was a little bit lucky! Both Mercedes drivers (Hamilton and Bottas) made some mistakes when they were about to overtake him, so they lost pace and stayed behind.

[1982dre]

2019 FORMULA 1 ITALIAN GRAND PRIX - RACE RESULTS

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   53 laps
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.835s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 35.199s
4   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   + 45.515s
5   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   + 58.165s
6   Alexander Albon   THA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 59.315s
7   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1m 13.802s
8   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 1m 14.492s
9   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1 lap
10   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 1 lap
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1 lap
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1 lap
13   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 1 lap
14   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   + 1 lap
15   Kimi Raikkonen   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1 lap
16   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 1 lap
17   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2 laps
RET   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   
RET   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   
RET   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team

Excellent race. Think it time for Ferrari to place Leclerc   as first driver. He didnt great job almost whole race was under pressure and he won the race with great skill little on the edge but this is something that was missing all this years.

Indeed, the Italian GP was one of the best in the season's calendar.
Congratulations to Leclerc for this win, but he was a little bit lucky! Both Mercedes drivers (Hamilton and Bottas) made some mistakes when they were about to overtake him, so they lost pace and stayed behind.

Monza is just the best track for Ferrari. In the next race I think they wont win.

[Naida_BR]

2019 FORMULA 1 ITALIAN GRAND PRIX - RACE RESULTS

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   53 laps
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 0.835s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   + 35.199s
4   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   + 45.515s
5   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   + 58.165s
6   Alexander Albon   THA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 59.315s
7   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1m 13.802s
8   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   + 1m 14.492s
9   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1 lap
10   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 1 lap
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   + 1 lap
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   + 1 lap
13   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 1 lap
14   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   + 1 lap
15   Kimi Raikkonen   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   + 1 lap
16   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   + 1 lap
17   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   + 2 laps
RET   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   
RET   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   
RET   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team

Excellent race. Think it time for Ferrari to place Leclerc   as first driver. He didnt great job almost whole race was under pressure and he won the race with great skill little on the edge but this is something that was missing all this years.

Indeed, the Italian GP was one of the best in the season's calendar.
Congratulations to Leclerc for this win, but he was a little bit lucky! Both Mercedes drivers (Hamilton and Bottas) made some mistakes when they were about to overtake him, so they lost pace and stayed behind.

Monza is just the best track for Ferrari. In the next race I think they wont win.

This is true the track helped them a lot.
I think the had a lot of years to win in Monza. If I am not mistaken they had 8-10 years to win there. But their engines are powerful for this track. I also, expect Hamilton to get back to victories in the next races where more turns will come and less straights which give Ferrari strength.

[elda34b]

Monza is just the best track for Ferrari. In the next race I think they wont win.

Since 2014 Mercedez always won here though. Hamilton win the previous three years at least.[1]

Nobody knows who will win the next season, but saying it's the best track for Ferrari is somewhat making light of what Leclerc did.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Grand_Prix

[coinlocket$]

Monza is just the best track for Ferrari. In the next race I think they wont win.

Meh not really. Last win was for Alonso here around 9 Years ago!

2006    Monza    Michael Schumacher    Ferrari    
2007    Monza    Fernando Alonso             McLaren    
2008    Monza    Sebastian Vettel             Toro Rosso    
2009    Monza    Rubens Barrichello         Brawn    
2010    Monza    Fernando Alonso            Ferrari    
2011    Monza    Sebastian Vettel         Red Bull    
2012    Monza    Lewis Hamilton            McLaren    
2013    Monza    Sebastian Vettel         Red Bull    
2014    Monza    Lewis Hamilton            Mercedes    
2015    Monza    Lewis Hamilton            Mercedes    
2016    Monza    Nico Rosberg                 Mercedes    
2017    Monza    Lewis Hamilton            Mercedes    
2018    Monza    Lewis Hamilton            Mercedes    
2019    Monza    Charles Leclerc            Ferrari    

Source: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Premio_d%27Italia

As you can see this is not a track where Ferrari is the favorite.

[slocker]

Let put some good news for change.

Former F1 champion  Michael Schumacher is received in one the best hospitals in Paris (this is something that I have found on several articles on the net), for stem cell transplant surgery.

Finally some good news when it comes to the rebuttal of this legend, in fact, finally some news in general. So with this "good"news the man who won 91st place in the fastest circus in the world for the 91st time may be back in front of fans ... All we have to do is wait ...

[swogerino]

Let put some good news for change.

Former F1 champion  Michael Schumacher is received in one the best hospitals in Paris (this is something that I have found on several articles on the net), for stem cell transplant surgery.

Finally some good news when it comes to the rebuttal of this legend, in fact, finally some news in general. So with this "good"news the man who won 91st place in the fastest circus in the world for the 91st time may be back in front of fans ... All we have to do is wait ...

I find it strange for him to comeback,he has been in a Switzerland hospital away from media eyes and with only close family relatives.I wish he get well soon but I know this is only a wish as it takes time for him to fully recover,this good news though is a good start.

[1982dre]

Let put some good news for change.

Former F1 champion  Michael Schumacher is received in one the best hospitals in Paris (this is something that I have found on several articles on the net), for stem cell transplant surgery.

Finally some good news when it comes to the rebuttal of this legend, in fact, finally some news in general. So with this "good"news the man who won 91st place in the fastest circus in the world for the 91st time may be back in front of fans ... All we have to do is wait ...

Few weeks ago I heard he was already watching F1. (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-30/michael-schumacher-is-making-progress-and-watching-formula-one-his-ex-boss-at-ferrari-jean-todt-reveals-in-rare-update/)

[DaveF]

This just came in to my email:

MotoAmerica Set For Indianapolis Motor Speedway In 2020

Superbikes And Support Classes Will Take On The Brickyard In August
 
COSTA MESA, CA (September 10, 2019) – MotoAmerica has announced that it will return to what is inarguably the most famous racetrack in the world next year for a standalone round of the 2020 MotoAmerica Series at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, August 21-23.

MotoAmerica is headed to Indianapolis Motor Speedway in 2020, with all five classes set to compete at the Brickyard, August 21-23.

MotoAmerica last raced at the Brickyard in August of 2015 as a support race of the MotoGP World Championship, with that event marking the last time that motorcycles have raced at the home of the Indianapolis 500 and the Brickyard 400.
 
For 2020, MotoAmerica will bring motorcycle racing back to the “Racing Capital of the World” with all five of its classes being showcased in the Championship of Indy.

There were also the standard links for getting tickets etc.
I was at the races there years ago and it was great, I'm glad to see they are coming back.

Nicer tracks with more name recognition are going to help to get more people to watch IMO.
Those of us here who bet on it should also get a little more excitement.

-Dave

[coinlocket$]

I find it strange for him to comeback,he has been in a Switzerland hospital away from media eyes and with only close family relatives.I wish he get well soon but I know this is only a wish as it takes time for him to fully recover,this good news though is a good start.

Is also strange that he went to a hospital in Sweden.

According to media, he has a ton of Money and his family spent a ton of millions for his treatment, why they can't simply pay some meds and invite them to his home?

Probably they build a hospital chamber too on his house.

[slocker]

Let put some good news for change.

Former F1 champion  Michael Schumacher is received in one the best hospitals in Paris (this is something that I have found on several articles on the net), for stem cell transplant surgery.

Finally some good news when it comes to the rebuttal of this legend, in fact, finally some news in general. So with this "good"news the man who won 91st place in the fastest circus in the world for the 91st time may be back in front of fans ... All we have to do is wait ...

Few weeks ago I heard he was already watching F1. (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-30/michael-schumacher-is-making-progress-and-watching-formula-one-his-ex-boss-at-ferrari-jean-todt-reveals-in-rare-update/)

Yea this was true with his former boss Jean Todt. They watched together at his home at least that was news. Hope to see him one more time in some track at least in wealchair for that matter to remind on old William who spend all life in team garage like that.

But for the weekend we will have MotoGP, after today's practice Yamaha looks promising, could they take win, we will see on Sundays race.

[slocker]

Some news that I found online from one newspaper about Schumacher condition after taking care in Paris Hospital. Put some quotes translated to give you all some info.

Former Formula One multiple champion Michael Schumacher, 50, is conscious, the French media reported. It is allegedly the result of stem cell treatment at Paris-based Georges-Pompidou Hospital, to which he was admitted on Monday. But it's not all that bright after the dark years since his severe head injury.

And does Schumacher have salvation?

- I repeat again, I do not want to speculate because I do not know what condition it is. Let's just say that the chances of recovery after six years of vegetative status are minimal. Something had to be done in the first year after the accident, and like this ... Hard - says the admitted neurosurgeon.

Shudi chips are actually stimulants that, in layman's terms, can awaken the brain. Much work has been done in Japan to implement them, some experience is also experienced by the French, and many such operations, even abroad, are done by Shudi. Such operations require high concentration and precision.

Seem like this is not went well but this is to early to say. According to this paper this isn't the first time he went there for treatment.