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[aesma]

I haven't heard about that (Mercedes doing the same), do you have a link ? I like teams doing "borderline" stuff even if it gets banned after some races, without sanction, otherwise they wouldn't do it. I don't understand why the Ferrari thing is kept secret, though.

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[dre1982]

The race was seriously one of the most entertaining ones that I have watched in a long period of time. I know that most people do not like crashes because it could end up very bad, it could end up with a racer injured and that is the sad part of the discussion, thank god that nothing like that happened and I am quite happy about it.

But, the fact that nobody was injured made the race a lot more fun, I don't know how "I want a lot of crashes without anyone getting injured" sounds to people, since you can't guarantee nobody getting hurt in a crash, but that is really all how I feel. Also how could anyone still have fun of a regular race, maybe few problems with few cars, 15 cars ending at least, 1 is hamilton and 2 is bottas, and three is probably verstappen, and think that is fun anymore?

It was a race where a lot of thinks happend. I prefer this track more then for example Barcelona.

Wondering how the race in Turkey will be. That also seems to be a great track.

[Koal-84]

~snip~
 Yamaha were the only teams that didn't test two weeks ago?

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/jorge-lorenzo-interview-ducati/

From several articles that I read, I don't think this has anything to do with Lorenzo's move. Indeed, there is a lot of news that Lorenzo has spoken with Ducati but Ducati still opens up opportunities for all riders who meet the criteria to join the Team. Yamaha also did not explain it, even Rossi did not know about the problem and this made him disappointed that other manufacturers had tested it.

With Lorenzo is only speculation but i don't find the article at time. Only a article in German who Rossi and Quartararo are look surprised in the interview.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/motogp/news/yamaha-fahrer-verwundert-warum-hat-lorenzo-nicht-in-misano-getestet-20091009

But at Ducati factory team is full so Lorenzo have only has one place in a satellite team, whether that meets his requirements?

At time Yamaha test many new parts with the race driver.

https://www.gpone.com/en/2020/09/15/motogp/rossi-upbeat-after-positive-misano-test-with-new-exhaust.html



The new exhaust looks unusual, the other test parts are good says the drivers the most of them have a very good feeling for the new parts but the new chassis is not a upgrade?

[coinlocket$]

Binotto has spoken today and he basically said this:

While other team are interest on improving their car with upgrades this year we are not interest on it.
We will save our "tokens" for the 2021 car and we freeze the progress of the car for this year.

As you may know teams can use "3 or 4 tokens" can't remember to use an upgrade on their car during the year.
It can't be a motor improvment but it can be almost everything else.

So they are already working and upgrading this car but they save these tokens for next year, idk if they will be added in next year car, I don't know how it works.

[aesma]

coinlocket$ : I found a good article explaining the token system : https://the-race.com/formula-1/six-key-questions-about-f1s-new-token-system-answered/

Basically it's too late for Ferrari to use tokens for this year anyway, and they probably need to better understand their problems before using their tokens.

Reading that article through, you get the feeling no team will be able to significantly improve their car this year or next year, which is not good news.

[-CryptoViking-]

coinlocket$ : I found a good article explaining the token system : https://the-race.com/formula-1/six-key-questions-about-f1s-new-token-system-answered/

Basically it's too late for Ferrari to use tokens for this year anyway, and they probably need to better understand their problems before using their tokens.

Reading that article through, you get the feeling no team will be able to significantly improve their car this year or next year, which is not good news.

Or good news for Ferrari if you look at it from a different point of view Nobody will be able to get even more ahead of Ferrari.

Seriously though, Ferrari is laying low now, but I'm pretty sure that before the start of the new season something will happen, either from political aspect or Ferrari will find something to make their car more competitive. Other solution is to disturb Mercedes somehow, by some political tricks like Mercedes uses on other teams or by some discoveries that will somehow hurt Mercedes.

i don't believe that this situation will continue into the next season when it comes to Ferrari.

[Juggy777]

coinlocket$ : I found a good article explaining the token system : https://the-race.com/formula-1/six-key-questions-about-f1s-new-token-system-answered/

Basically it's too late for Ferrari to use tokens for this year anyway, and they probably need to better understand their problems before using their tokens.

Reading that article through, you get the feeling no team will be able to significantly improve their car this year or next year, which is not good news.

Or good news for Ferrari if you look at it from a different point of view Nobody will be able to get even more ahead of Ferrari.

Seriously though, Ferrari is laying low now, but I'm pretty sure that before the start of the new season something will happen, either from political aspect or Ferrari will find something to make their car more competitive. Other solution is to disturb Mercedes somehow, by some political tricks like Mercedes uses on other teams or by some discoveries that will somehow hurt Mercedes.

i don't believe that this situation will continue into the next season when it comes to Ferrari.

@CryptoViking this was discussed a while ago and if you read the statements from Ferrari then you’ll realise that they’ll not be making any updates in 2021, all the updates are planned for 2022 only. Also I don’t think that Ferrari has any political tricks up their sleeves otherwise they would have used it by now, hence you’ll have to wait till 2022 only to see Ferrari’s updates.

Sources:

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/ferrari-doesnt-think-it-can-win-again-until-2022/

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-no-wins-2022-elkann/4845193/

[aesma]

I didn't like the old days of FIA meaning Ferrari International Assistance so I don't wish them to win by default now either. Relaxing of the rules would be good but poorer teams will not be onboard for that.

[-CryptoViking-]

@CryptoViking this was discussed a while ago and if you read the statements from Ferrari then you’ll realise that they’ll not be making any updates in 2021, all the updates are planned for 2022 only. Also I don’t think that Ferrari has any political tricks up their sleeves otherwise they would have used it by now, hence you’ll have to wait till 2022 only to see Ferrari’s updates.

Sources:

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/ferrari-doesnt-think-it-can-win-again-until-2022/

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-no-wins-2022-elkann/4845193/

i'm watching F1 since '96 , and trust me everything is possible when it comes to FIA and F1. All this news and talk is the surface, just the tip of the iceberg, official stories.There is always something happening under the surface and behind the closed doors.

I'm not calling Ferrari domination and wins lol, but this power structure won't last till 2022, trust me.

I didn't like the old days of FIA meaning Ferrari International Assistance so I don't wish them to win by default now either. Relaxing of the rules would be good but poorer teams will not be onboard for that.

Ferrari missed only 26 races from the beginnings of the F1, so that means something. Considering how Ferrari was always there for F1 and always gave 100% for F1, they have not been treated that favorably as you are trying to present. Yes they have a certain weight and they should have it considering all the facts, but some other teams had periods like Mercedes has now. Where everything is done so it suits them so they don't leave F1.

Lots of teams got more then they deserved cos they were threatening to leave F1, Ferrari never did.

Check how long Ferrari had to wait for the title before Schmi's first Ferrari title...

[Luzin]

The new exhaust looks unusual, the other test parts are good says the drivers the most of them have a very good feeling for the new parts but the new chassis is not a upgrade?

Like the exhaust in the WSBK race, the exhaust is on the side, it looks like it's still from Akrapovic. If I'm not mistaken, this type of Akrapovic has an even engine speed from low to medium engine speed. I think Rosi hopes this will improve his bike's abilities.

[Koal-84]

The new exhaust looks unusual, the other test parts are good says the drivers the most of them have a very good feeling for the new parts but the new chassis is not a upgrade?

Like the exhaust in the WSBK race, the exhaust is on the side, it looks like it's still from Akrapovic. If I'm not mistaken, this type of Akrapovic has an even engine speed from low to medium engine speed. I think Rosi hopes this will improve his bike's abilities.

Yes you are right, i also think this. At a article i read that the exhaust have a better responsiveness and better performance in the middle speed range and how you write not in the higher speeds.

So I'm looking forward to tomorrow's qualification, all hunt Yamaha? Rossi's two hundredth podium is possible this weekend.

[coinlocket$]

i'm watching F1 since '96 , and trust me everything is possible when it comes to FIA and F1. All this news and talk is the surface, just the tip of the iceberg, official stories.There is always something happening under the surface and behind the closed doors.

I'm not calling Ferrari domination and wins lol, but this power structure won't last till 2022, trust me.

Fia is a joke to me expecially from last year.
They said "The holes on the Mercedes are illigal but you can use it till the end of the season without penalty".

In a normal world that was a black flag for the entire season for Mercedes.

[-CryptoViking-]

Fia is a joke to me expecially from last year.
They said "The holes on the Mercedes are illigal but you can use it till the end of the season without penalty".

In a normal world that was a black flag for the entire season for Mercedes.

Yea, I just got used to that. FIA had a lot of terrible and blatant abuses of power throughout the years, with a lot of drivers and teams suffering and that won't change soon. That is why I don't get excited, I have one team I support  and that is Ferrari. I don't support any driver after Schumi.

i love to watch racing and even when Ferrari is bad I watch every practice, quali and race. There is always something interesting to track and watch in F1 even when you and your team is struggling. So FIA can go and f... themselves 

I'll keep on watching like Ferrari keeps on racing, despite everything bad that is happening.

[swogerino]

Fia is a joke to me expecially from last year.
They said "The holes on the Mercedes are illigal but you can use it till the end of the season without penalty".

In a normal world that was a black flag for the entire season for Mercedes.

Yea, I just got used to that. FIA had a lot of terrible and blatant abuses of power throughout the years, with a lot of drivers and teams suffering and that won't change soon. That is why I don't get excited, I have one team I support  and that is Ferrari. I don't support any driver after Schumi.

i love to watch racing and even when Ferrari is bad I watch every practice, quali and race. There is always something interesting to track and watch in F1 even when you and your team is struggling. So FIA can go and f... themselves 

I'll keep on watching like Ferrari keeps on racing, despite everything bad that is happening.

I also do not love seeing Mercedes dominating every single race and what is even more boring is the fact that Boringttas(Bottas) is a clown who follow orders of the team making the race extremely boring.At least when Rosberg was fighting him there was some incentive to watch F1 races more than now as Rosberg it was not “A yes man” like Bottas is.

[-CryptoViking-]

I also do not love seeing Mercedes dominating every single race and what is even more boring is the fact that Boringttas(Bottas) is a clown who follow orders of the team making the race extremely boring.At least when Rosberg was fighting him there was some incentive to watch F1 races more than now as Rosberg it was not “A yes man” like Bottas is.

Yeah it is a bit of a shame that we are kinda robbed of the title fight because of the reason you mentioned, but that's life.

At least this year we have a crazy midfield   And honestly it's very exciting to watch it for me personally. Young drivers like Lando, Gasly, Albon fighting for points and sometimes for podium. Teams in midfield are now really tightly packed and you have Ferrari mashing in there too now.

So that kind of compensates it for me.

[Koal-84]

Good qualification Form Yamaha, but so soory for Baganaia. I'm wonder no Suzuki at the Top10!?



Very interesting all Teams a little bit faster then last week, during the test last week everyone optimized their settings.

[Naida_BR]

Vinales was so competitive and fast during the qualification.
The Yamaha moto seemed to be so fast in his hands. I wanted Rossi to be a little bit higher in the ladder in order to have a better start but I believe that he is going to win some positions in the first lap due to his experience.
I will bet for a Ducati to get the race today!

[AakZaki]

Good qualification Form Yamaha, but so soory for Baganaia. I'm wonder no Suzuki at the Top10!?



Very interesting all Teams a little bit faster then last week, during the test last week everyone optimized their settings.

I read some articles he had a tire problem. The tire grip on the track is too excessive, especially when entering corners. This made Suzuki unable to turn optimally. But I think that later he will be able to finish in the top ten. We'll see in a few minutes, I can't wait.

[swogerino]

I used to love more MotoGP than F1 but being used to watch so many back to back races in F1 today was a boring Sunday as I miss the action which except Mercedes dominating the midfield is on fire with many driver positions being exchanged after every race,a few big crashes and red flags made the race a little bit less boring.

[coinlocket$]

I haven't heard about that (Mercedes doing the same), do you have a link ? I like teams doing "borderline" stuff even if it gets banned after some races, without sanction, otherwise they wouldn't do it. I don't understand why the Ferrari thing is kept secret, though.

It's not exactly this article but I can't remember where I read about it.
https://grandpx.news/wolff-seeks-answer-to-mercedes-smoky-2020-engine/



This is the only thing I found but I remember clearly something about this

Mercedes using a thing like Ferrari last year but they are in a different way with different materials and they can abuse the oil situation.