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November 16, 2017, 06:03:19 AM
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I'd hate to rain down on your parade but in case of bytes, powers of two actually make sense. It was not lazy. Whoever later "decided" that 1 KB = 1000 bytes was a moron, whenever it's published on NIST or not. It's not used by anyone. Universities don't teach it that way. Your operating system (whenever if it's windows or linux) doesn't show it that way. 1 KB = 1000 bytes is only in the head of some senile bureaucrats that don't understand technology and memory alignment. Just because a bureaucrat says the earth is flat it doesn't mean it is. You can't wish it that way, just like you can't make a memory chip that holds exactly 1000 bytes of information. Bytes are stored in binary. That's the reality.

Actually, while windows has always expressed sizes in powers of 2, I'm looking at a linux machine right now (xubuntu 16.04 specifically) which expresses them in powers of 10 and I remember it being this way for years, accross various distros

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November 16, 2017, 06:11:46 AM
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I'd hate to rain down on your parade but in case of bytes, powers of two actually make sense. It was not lazy. Whoever later "decided" that 1 KB = 1000 bytes was a moron, whenever it's published on NIST or not. It's not used by anyone. Universities don't teach it that way. Your operating system (whenever if it's windows or linux) doesn't show it that way. 1 KB = 1000 bytes is only in the head of some senile bureaucrats that don't understand technology and memory alignment. Just because a bureaucrat says the earth is flat it doesn't mean it is. You can't wish it that way, just like you can't make a memory chip that holds exactly 1000 bytes of information. Bytes are stored in binary. That's the reality.

Actually, while windows has always expressed sizes in powers of 2, I'm looking at a linux machine right now (xubuntu 16.04 specifically) which expresses them in powers of 10 and I remember it being this way for years, accross various distros

It's not a windows/linux thing, it's more of a hard disk/memory thing: 
https://superuser.com/questions/1080633/confusion-with-storage-capacity-powers-of-10-and-2
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November 16, 2017, 07:09:44 AM
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November 16, 2017, 07:18:06 AM
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in case of bytes, powers of two actually make sense.

Absolutely. And the scheme that I outline takes advantage of that happy mnemonic near-coincidence. Without any drawbacks. And eliminates the ambiguity that has led to fuckup after fuckup after fuckup after...

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Whoever later "decided" that 1 KB = 1000 bytes was a moron

Nobody later decided that - the prefix 'k' or 'kilo' has denoted exactly 1000 since long before the dawn of logic-based computing.

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It's not used by anyone.

It is used by every thinking person that values precision.

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Universities don't teach it that way.

Universities absolutely teach the difference between 1000 and 1024, and the difference between metric powers-of-ten units and binary prefix powers-of-two units. Sure, there may be some backwaters that are still stuck in the eighties*, clinging to a misleading and imprecise anachronism. But by and large, the difference is known and taught - everywhere that values truth.

*Actually, I graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree in the eighties. And while we didn't yet have the convenient binary prefix notation back then, we were absolutely taught that misusing metric prefixes as an approximation was exactly that - an approximation. And not strictly correct. And to always be mindful of the error and ambiguity inserted due to this misuse.

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Your operating system (whenever if it's windows or linux) doesn't show it that way.

Linux certainly knows how to report memory and disk capacities in KiB, MiB, GiB, TiB, ... Of course, if your favorite clownshoe hides the truth from you, don't put that on Linux - put it on your dumbed down distro. And don't talk to me about Windows as if it is some paragon of Vires in Numeris. Last time I bothered to look, Windows couldn't even agree with itself. What with it reporting a GB as (something like) 1024*1024*1000 in Disk Mangler and as 1024*1000*1000 in File Mangler. Or some equivalent comedy of hapless errors.

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1 KB = 1000 bytes is only in the head of some senile bureaucrats that don't understand technology and memory alignment.

Hoo-boy. we got a live one here. I suppose you think NIST is ignorant on computing? ISO? IEEE? ACM? IETF?

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Just because a bureaucrat says the earth is flat it doesn't mean it is.

Cool. You've said a second thing that isn't 100% wrong. But conversely, just because you say that 1000=1024 does not mean it is.

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You can't wish it that way, just like you can't make a memory chip that holds exactly 1000 bytes of information.

This has exactly zero to do with the discussion at hand. However, this could be good for a couple of laughs. Please explain to me the physics behind your assertion that one cannot build a memory chip that holds exactly 1000 bytes of information. On second thought, don't. We don't need the fruitless diversion. Nor the ensuing hilarity.

So now that that is out of the way, let me try again. If we use the binary prefixes when we are speaking of 2^(10*n):
- we remove the ambiguity of not knowing if a measurement of (e.g.) 'M' means 1000000 or if it means 1,048,576 (or even 1,024,000);
- we lose none of the brevity of compact notation;
- we lose none of the mental chunking that comes from conveniently scaled units;
- we stop losing time and money due to fuckups in unit misunderstandings;
- we are using the units that all serious and conscientious scientists and engineers use;
- we stop killing people; and
- when the legacy Bitcoin max block size is 1MB, we know instantly it is 1,000,000 bytes, not 1000*1024 bytes, nor 1024*1024 bytes (guess what - 1,000,000 is exactly what it is - it is NOT 1,048,576)

Look, it's OK to be ignorant. There's no shame in that. I'm sure I am ignorant on any number of topics. However, to cling to a deprecated, failure-prone anachronism -- after being shown the error of your ways -- is downright foolish. And that is indeed shameful.

Stop misusing metric unit prefixes as approximations of binary powers-of-two. Before they kill again.

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November 16, 2017, 07:19:05 AM
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Asset names are supposed to be assigned by trusted users/businesses called registries.  Any number of registries can exist, and each hub will have a list of registries it trusts.  Only names assigned by trusted registries will be broadcast to wallets connected to the hub.
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November 16, 2017, 08:15:04 AM
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A nice addition in our Bot Store.  Again, from an independent developer.

Byteball-Altcoin Exchange Bot

Exchange over 60 altcoins to Bytes, Bytes to altcoins, or altcoins to altcoins. Receive your coins as fast as the network confirms your transaction. The fee is only 0.75%.  Powered by Changelly.

Developer: Robert Huber, http://byteball-exchange-bot.com


Why should you use this? Fee at Bittrex is just 0.25% and you got a lot of ALTs there

Because it's trustless, decentralized.

Using changelly is certainly not trustless or decentralized. One reason to use it is to avoid registration and kyc requirements exchanges such as bittrex have, but you could do that by using changelly or shapeshift directly as well.

Another reason is convenience, usually people do choose the convenient fast and easy way even if it's more expensive. You could lower the fee to 0.4 0.5 to stay competitive but I still think it's a good idea as is.

If it saves you time and hassle you wouldn't mind a higher fees which for little amounts would be irrilevant. Moreover, if you want to change bytes with some specific alts on an exchange you would probably have to go a double change, passing through BTC or ETH or whatever major market, which would anyway double the fees. Plus add transfer fees. So this new bot is super-welcome.

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November 16, 2017, 02:17:08 PM
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in case of bytes, powers of two actually make sense.

Absolutely. And the scheme that I outline takes advantage of that happy mnemonic near-coincidence. Without any drawbacks. And eliminates the ambiguity that has led to fuckup after fuckup after fuckup after...

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Whoever later "decided" that 1 KB = 1000 bytes was a moron

Nobody later decided that - the prefix 'k' or 'kilo' has denoted exactly 1000 since long before the dawn of logic-based computing.

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It's not used by anyone.

It is used by every thinking person that values precision.

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Universities don't teach it that way.


Universities absolutely teach the difference between 1000 and 1024, and the difference between metric powers-of-ten units and binary prefix powers-of-two units. Sure, there may be some backwaters that are still stuck in the eighties*, clinging to a misleading and imprecise anachronism. But by and large, the difference is known and taught - everywhere that values truth.

*Actually, I graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree in the eighties. And while we didn't yet have the convenient binary prefix notation back then, we were absolutely taught that misusing metric prefixes as an approximation was exactly that - an approximation. And not strictly correct. And to always be mindful of the error and ambiguity inserted due to this misuse.

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Your operating system (whenever if it's windows or linux) doesn't show it that way.

Linux certainly knows how to report memory and disk capacities in KiB, MiB, GiB, TiB, ... Of course, if your favorite clownshoe hides the truth from you, don't put that on Linux - put it on your dumbed down distro. And don't talk to me about Windows as if it is some paragon of Vires in Numeris. Last time I bothered to look, Windows couldn't even agree with itself. What with it reporting a GB as (something like) 1024*1024*1000 in Disk Mangler and as 1024*1000*1000 in File Mangler. Or some equivalent comedy of hapless errors.

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1 KB = 1000 bytes is only in the head of some senile bureaucrats that don't understand technology and memory alignment.

Hoo-boy. we got a live one here. I suppose you think NIST is ignorant on computing? ISO? IEEE? ACM? IETF?

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Just because a bureaucrat says the earth is flat it doesn't mean it is.

Cool. You've said a second thing that isn't 100% wrong. But conversely, just because you say that 1000=1024 does not mean it is.

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You can't wish it that way, just like you can't make a memory chip that holds exactly 1000 bytes of information.

This has exactly zero to do with the discussion at hand. However, this could be good for a couple of laughs. Please explain to me the physics behind your assertion that one cannot build a memory chip that holds exactly 1000 bytes of information. On second thought, don't. We don't need the fruitless diversion. Nor the ensuing hilarity.

So now that that is out of the way, let me try again. If we use the binary prefixes when we are speaking of 2^(10*n):
- we remove the ambiguity of not knowing if a measurement of (e.g.) 'M' means 1000000 or if it means 1,048,576 (or even 1,024,000);
- we lose none of the brevity of compact notation;
- we lose none of the mental chunking that comes from conveniently scaled units;
- we stop losing time and money due to fuckups in unit misunderstandings;
- we are using the units that all serious and conscientious scientists and engineers use;
- we stop killing people; and
- when the legacy Bitcoin max block size is 1MB, we know instantly it is 1,000,000 bytes, not 1000*1024 bytes, nor 1024*1024 bytes (guess what - 1,000,000 is exactly what it is - it is NOT 1,048,576)

Look, it's OK to be ignorant. There's no shame in that. I'm sure I am ignorant on any number of topics. However, to cling to a deprecated, failure-prone anachronism -- after being shown the error of your ways -- is downright foolish. And that is indeed shameful.

Stop misusing metric unit prefixes as approximations of binary powers-of-two. Before they kill again.

Wow, this have been very exhausting and I like it. 1 KB = 1000 byte is the simplest and for classic future coin users the best to understand. Everything else seems to me useless. For the IT guys maybe it would be better, but for classic user not. And I think all of us want to see Byteball with as many users as is possible and with the price on high which this coin deserves...not like now, which is ridiculous.
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November 16, 2017, 02:39:24 PM
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Freebe Blackbyte Exchange Report

Lots of new traders joined the Blackbyte Market lately. New constant volume and a good price increase (0.03 -> 0.04) gives a very good feeling about the blackbyte market development!

  • 24h volume: 1065 GBB
  • Last trade: 9 GBB at: 0.0379

  • Best Ask: 0.04 (50 GBB)
  • Best Bid: 0.0402 (0.99 GBB)
  • Total GBB wanted: 5993
  • Total GBB for sell: 714

  • Total volume all time: 64113 GBB
  • Total successful trades: 1041



Partially traiding enabled! Instantly sell any amount of Blackbytes at the best marketprice.

Just type: sell <amount> <your address> for example: sell 1.45g QUVOQQRO42BWCUG7VH2G6W6CWFKTGGI4. For the amount you can use any unit, such as "g", "m" or "k".

More help, information and live data available at: http://freebe.byte-ball.com






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November 16, 2017, 04:45:17 PM
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Now, we still have 0 trusted registries on the default hub byteball.org and the assets in the wallets are still cryptic hashes.  My proposal is that we elect 1 or 2 registries to start with.  We already have a poll bot and can put it to use here.  If this sounds like a good idea, let's start with nominations.

I would like to candidate to become registrar. I got some ideas for features to be built on top this service, I need a few days to define and present the project.

Which are the tecnical requirements and procedures to become a registrar? Are we moving in uncharted territories or are there already precise procedures and instruments set for that?

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November 16, 2017, 07:00:32 PM
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BEEB - Blackbytes Escrow Exchange Bot - Daily report.

TOTAL FOR SALE: 283 048 MBB   
Last 24h traded vol: 234 030 MBB   
Current Best Ask: 0.0282 MB/MBB   
Current Best Ask vol: 40 MBB
Last price: 0.0399 MB/MBB
Last vol: 3 000 MBB


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November 16, 2017, 07:21:12 PM
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I downloaded the purse but it's very long synchronized and there is a lighter version of what I heard something like that
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November 16, 2017, 07:45:06 PM
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The first binary options trading website with Byteball Bytes.

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November 16, 2017, 09:18:44 PM
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Byteball Interview (Part 1): Crypto of the 3rd generation, Witnesses, IOTA vs. BYTEBALL

https://medium.com/@CryptKeeperBTT/byteball-interview-part-1-crypto-of-the-3rd-generation-witnesses-iota-vs-byteball-900b629bff

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November 16, 2017, 09:25:58 PM
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I downloaded the purse but it's very long synchronized and there is a lighter version of what I heard something like that

The lite client is the 'DEFAULT' install.
If you're syncing, it is because you didn't go through the default install.  More specifically, you selected full node.

(Uninstall / Reinstall does not resolve this.  You (since you don't have any bytes, etc (assumption)) simply need to delete the wallet data directory and run the app in order to start from scratch - yes defaults.)

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November 17, 2017, 07:21:07 AM
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Byteball Interview (Part 1): Crypto of the 3rd generation, Witnesses, IOTA vs. BYTEBALL

https://medium.com/@CryptKeeperBTT/byteball-interview-part-1-crypto-of-the-3rd-generation-witnesses-iota-vs-byteball-900b629bff

Enjoy!  Cheesy

Chinese translation version Byteball 访谈录( 第1部分): 第三代加密货币, 见证人, IOTA vs. BYTEBALL 
https://medium.com/byteball-ng/byteball-%E8%AE%BF%E8%B0%88%E5%BD%95-%E7%AC%AC1%E9%83%A8%E5%88%86-%E7%AC%AC%E4%B8%89%E4%BB%A3%E5%8A%A0%E5%AF%86%E8%B4%A7%E5%B8%81-%E8%A7%81%E8%AF%81%E4%BA%BA-iota-vs-byteball-c7e96710192a

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November 17, 2017, 07:56:20 AM
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no future distribution announced? that's the reason byteball down so much? how much distributed already?
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November 17, 2017, 08:56:02 AM
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no future distribution announced? that's the reason byteball down so much? how much distributed already?
Bitcoin is up so typically alts getting beating.
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November 17, 2017, 09:51:06 AM
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A whale must have just filled his bag with some massive order. Price jumpted from 0.027 to 0.037 and then came back. Good to see there are some whales  willing to buy careless of the price (had they bought slower, they would have paid less)  Smiley

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November 17, 2017, 10:03:15 AM
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Wow I have some BB from the airdrop, just now I looked at the price-I was simply horrified. Why did he fall so? Have not the growth of the cue ball so ruined the price, or are there any other reasons for such a recession? Even with BTC on a massive run....
I will be holding BB for the next few months, good scope for it.
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November 17, 2017, 11:13:17 AM
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People have to realize that this is the bottom.  Somehow byteball survived all the massive dumps during the summer and while price isn't  what most people want to see now you gotta realize development is only getting better there are more blackbytes being traded and the whole ecosystem is growing at a good rate.  Everytime BTC pumps  it sucks the money out of alts.  I dont know where byteball will be a year from now or if it will surpass IOTA at somepoint.  I just have this gut feeling this is something truly special and will eventually get the attention it deserves (and hopefully goes on a NEO like run Grin If not im willing to ride this project out I could have dumped in  Summer during the run up but I think I will stick around.
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