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November 21, 2017, 08:06:49 PM
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Your logic here seems reasonable. Still: the top 10 Byteball linked BTC addresses represent ±200.000 BTC combined: http://transition.byteball.org
This translates to 1250 GB airdropped Byteball. That's still quite a lot for the market to swallow if it would be sold in a short period of time.

The merchant cashback program is great though and I'm very curious about the new additional distribution method coming in December.

Yes, but 200.000BTC is a ... mindblowing amount, I dont think these people will dump instantly because they need money
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November 21, 2017, 08:21:30 PM
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yeah no one sane would sell 2 third of a coin in one go, but stealing is a possibility that cannot be reversed, if you are not considering a fork .
Your logic here seems reasonable. Still: the top 10 Byteball linked BTC addresses represent ±200.000 BTC combined: http://transition.byteball.org
This translates to 1250 GB airdropped Byteball. That's still quite a lot for the market to swallow if it would be sold in a short period of time.

The merchant cashback program is great though and I'm very curious about the new additional distribution method coming in December.

Yes, but 200.000BTC is a ... mindblowing amount, I dont think these people will dump instantly because they need money

reality ? you fell to Scammers after being in an ICO , IPO
(more like any other stock and index in the world ICO or not got your portfolio down 25 % or 85 %)
Now  SEC is helping you getting back up your lost money maybe....
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November 21, 2017, 08:49:42 PM
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I also like the merchant cashback program, but the choices are still too limited. (I found a list here, is this the latest? https://byteroll.com/cashback)

Additionally, I hope for a really widespread distribution. Lets say approx $10 of Byteball for the first 100k people to apply for it/download a wallet and do a transaction or sth.

At this point I don't think that the standard airdrop (based on BTC/BB) has a big effect on popularity anymore. It is good to reward the early adopters a bit, but 10% per month (or every few months) is a bit too much.

Anyway, I am looking forward to the future distribution Smiley
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November 21, 2017, 09:00:30 PM
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Is there more information about the distribution besided the wiki page? Why is it halted?
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November 21, 2017, 09:39:38 PM
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After updating the windows full wallet now the new one doesn't work any more. I'm getting the error message: "Uncaught exception: Type Error: Cannot read properly 'IndexOf' of undefined."
So now what?

Haven't seen that, but....
move the wallet to another folder.  start up the client and then do a full restore.

You DID make a full restore before upgrading to the new watter, rite?


Yes, I did, and I was actually about to skip it this time since I had never had problems before, but luckily I decided doing the backup was a matter of principle. Be it an exmpale for everyone. You never know when shit will happen.

For every 16 BTC you receive 0.1 GB,
For every 1 GB you receive additional 0.1 GB,

And now the fools that come in claiming it's bad that whales get all the money without even considering what they're saying.
Someone with 16BTC (yes $130k) is not likely to care about $23 worth of byteball.  If you really think that is their motivation, you're really lacking.
A Whale would simply purchase a GB at $250 and get the 10% bonus instead of hoping his $130k would get him $23.


This is really funny indeed. It just stops being funny when I suddenly remember all the BTCs which I have invested in Byteball when BTC was low and Byteball was high...

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November 21, 2017, 11:27:20 PM
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Is there more information about the distribution besided the wiki page? Why is it halted?

The dev team is looking for ways to improve adoption and use for byteball. Apparently freebies have not been useful in promoting GBBYTE.

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November 22, 2017, 02:21:24 AM
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Is there more information about the distribution besided the wiki page? Why is it halted?
BYTEBALL team should recruit more and better developers to form an open development team.
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November 22, 2017, 06:52:06 AM
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Have I got it right that the next airdrop will occur in March 2018?? And will there be more than one airdrop in 2018 or only this one?
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November 22, 2017, 08:09:23 AM
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Have I got it right that the next airdrop will occur in March 2018?? And will there be more than one airdrop in 2018 or only this one?
what? i saw that there is no update on the airdrop moment for this month but march? i really think this will happen sooner

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November 22, 2017, 08:10:00 AM
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Byteball Interview (Part 1): Crypto of the 3rd generation, Witnesses, IOTA vs. BYTEBALL

https://medium.com/@CryptKeeperBTT/byteball-interview-part-1-crypto-of-the-3rd-generation-witnesses-iota-vs-byteball-900b629bff

Enjoy!  Cheesy

Byteball Interview (Part 2): Technical Strengths, Blackbytes, Distribution Rounds and Cashback System

https://medium.com/@CryptKeeperBTT/byteball-interview-part-2-technical-strengths-blackbytes-distribution-rounds-and-cashback-8721b24841ad

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November 22, 2017, 08:15:57 AM
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So many people just coming here because they want free money, its really time to move away from the airdrops
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November 22, 2017, 08:18:47 AM
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Very nice project. I like Windows Wallet UI and transactions speed. Hope the tokens cost will increase in future.
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November 22, 2017, 08:29:19 AM
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Have I got it right that the next airdrop will occur in March 2018?? And will there be more than one airdrop in 2018 or only this one?
what? i saw that there is no update on the airdrop moment for this month but march? i really think this will happen sooner

It's true, March 2018 is planned (round can be postponed or even canceled depending on performance of other distribution methods). Just read last page, tonych made that announcement:


An update about future distribution plans.

So far, bytes were mainly distributed via airdrops to holders of BTC and Bytes, and a relatively small portion was distributed through the cashback program.  We started this free distribution with the purpose of getting the currency as wide spread as possible, and while the purpose stays the same, methods can change.  The airdrop method worked well to get the initial user base, but it also proved to be the least efficient in terms of user acquisition cost.

Over the next few months, we'll add more methods of free distribution.  One of them is already being developed, I expect it to be ready in the first half of December. 

The new methods are designed to grow our user base faster than the money supply.

While the new methods are still untested, it is early to drop the airdrops.  That's why the next round of distribution to Bytes and BTC holders is tentatively planned for the full moon of March 2, 2018.  The rules are the same as in the previous round:

For every 16 BTC you receive 0.1 GB,
For every 1 GB you receive additional 0.1 GB,

and similar rules for blackbytes.

This round can be postponed or even canceled depending on performance of other distribution methods.
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November 22, 2017, 10:31:41 AM
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After updating the windows full wallet now the new one doesn't work any more. I'm getting the error message: "Uncaught exception: Type Error: Cannot read properly 'IndexOf' of undefined."
So now what?

Haven't seen that, but....
move the wallet to another folder.  start up the client and then do a full restore.

You DID make a full restore before upgrading to the new watter, rite?


I renamed the directory with the wallet and everything and then I have reinstalled the client, did a full restore and let it the whole night to synchronize but in the morning I have found it stuck with the same error. Now I start to get worried. I had mostly blackbytes in that wallet, but nevertheless...

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November 22, 2017, 10:59:50 AM
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I am a byteball investor and while I think the tech is very interesting I also have a few doubts.

Firstly in the distribution I see a danger that faith in this project could start to evaporate. By tinkering endlessly with the distribution this causes uncertainty for investors. Investors don't like uncertainty. Compared to say bitcoin in which new coins enter circulation at a predetermined rate. Here it just depends on the whim and fancy of the dev when he decides to do an air-drop. No offence Tony. But the initial promise was to distribute every full moon until 98% are in circulation. This has obviously not been kept which makes one wonder what else can be trusted.

My other reservation is my more serious concern which is in terms of the witnesses. As I understand it witnesses of which there are only 12 in all, are owned by Tony and will collect majority of the fees for the whole network. Obviously Tony will not be trusted to run all the witnesses for ever. How does one become a witness? As a thought experiment imagine if byteball becomes a huge success displacing bitcoin and becoming a real global payments system.  Who will be the witnesses gathering all that phenomenal amount of fees? Will there still be only 12? Will users be happy that all their fees are centralised to so few witnesses?

Perhaps someone can put to rest some of my doubts. Thanks
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November 22, 2017, 11:47:35 AM
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An update about future distribution plans.

So far, bytes were mainly distributed via airdrops to holders of BTC and Bytes, and a relatively small portion was distributed through the cashback program.  We started this free distribution with the purpose of getting the currency as wide spread as possible, and while the purpose stays the same, methods can change.  The airdrop method worked well to get the initial user base, but it also proved to be the least efficient in terms of user acquisition cost.

Over the next few months, we'll add more methods of free distribution.  One of them is already being developed, I expect it to be ready in the first half of December. 

The new methods are designed to grow our user base faster than the money supply.

While the new methods are still untested, it is early to drop the airdrops.  That's why the next round of distribution to Bytes and BTC holders is tentatively planned for the full moon of March 2, 2018.  The rules are the same as in the previous round:

For every 16 BTC you receive 0.1 GB,
For every 1 GB you receive additional 0.1 GB,

and similar rules for blackbytes.

This round can be postponed or even canceled depending on performance of other distribution methods.


Nice thing for this project wider distribution is always better. This model change reminds me on someone else's project airdrop model...;-)
anyways good step forward

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November 22, 2017, 11:55:04 AM
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For every 16 BTC you receive 0.1 GB,
For every 1 GB you receive additional 0.1 GB,

seems its expensive i miss the balls   Sad
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November 22, 2017, 12:20:43 PM
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I'm very curious what your future plans will bring to byteball. I'm following this project since every and hope that bytball will rise like the old days
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I am a byteball investor and while I think the tech is very interesting I also have a few doubts.

Firstly in the distribution I see a danger that faith in this project could start to evaporate. By tinkering endlessly with the distribution this causes uncertainty for investors. Investors don't like uncertainty. Compared to say bitcoin in which new coins enter circulation at a predetermined rate. Here it just depends on the whim and fancy of the dev when he decides to do an air-drop. No offence Tony. But the initial promise was to distribute every full moon until 98% are in circulation. This has obviously not been kept which makes one wonder what else can be trusted.

To my knowledge no promises were ever made.

I like very much that airdrops are slowing down, the amount of bytes and blackbytes to distribute from the created supply is LIMITED, only 400.000 GB and equivalent GBB to go.

When all is distributed, who will pay the bills?


A coin needs continuous development and marketing.

Paying these things from donations is not a business model.

You need a piece of the created coins to pay for this so that all coinholders pay their part of the bill.


So either you continue to inflate the supply and let a piece of it go to pay for the bills, as Dash does, or you continue to slow down the spending of the limited supply.

The latter is our only realistic option.


This means also that much wiser spending needs to develop over time, as the percentage of coins spend on the project, compared to it's value, goes down, already a big problem.

So they must be spend ever more effectively so that continued growth in users is there.

The airdrop program is bringing in less and less new users for the coins spend, Tony made the right decision to continue to phase it out.




My other reservation is my more serious concern which is in terms of the witnesses. As I understand it witnesses of which there are only 12 in all, are owned by Tony and will collect majority of the fees for the whole network. Obviously Tony will not be trusted to run all the witnesses for ever. How does one become a witness? As a thought experiment imagine if byteball becomes a huge success displacing bitcoin and becoming a real global payments system.  Who will be the witnesses gathering all that phenomenal amount of fees? Will there still be only 12? Will users be happy that all their fees are centralised to so few witnesses?

Perhaps someone can put to rest some of my doubts. Thanks


What people often forget to mention is that POW coins always lead to only a few miners able to collude together to have 51% of the mining power. Simply because processing work is done more effectively on larger scale. In Bitcoin for example I bet 3 people rule over more than 51% of hashing power and could double spend if they collude.

In Byteball over time these witnesses will be 12 different people and so 7 need to collude together to have 51% of confirmation power and double spend, that is double to tripple as much bad actors needed and so double or tripple as decentralised.

Right now if Tony dies the project is over and out, so witnesses can still be centralised in Tony, as the project is still fully dependent on him anyway. Over time though it is indeed important that more people take on leadership roles so that the project can go on without him if necessary, and indeed witnesses become more decentralised as well.


Check out recent interview with CryptKeeper for interesting details on what power of witnesses exactly is:
https://techburst.io/byteball-interview-part-1-crypto-of-the-3rd-generation-witnesses-iota-vs-byteball-900b629bff



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November 22, 2017, 02:53:14 PM
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Right now if Tony dies the project is over and out, so witnesses can still be centralised in Tony, as the project is still fully dependent on him anyway. Over time though it is indeed important that more people take on leadership roles so that the project can go on without him if necessary, and indeed witnesses become more decentralised as well.


True.

The cashback witness MEJ... http://www.cashback-witness.com has already been adopted by many people (see: https://byteball.fr/stats.php) but will never be a full replacment of Tony original JED....

True decentralization will come only when independant witnesses will be added in the default list by Tony. There is not sufficient attention/motivation from  end users to the witnesses to make them change their default wallet parameters (actualy they just don't care...). Or in other words: thoses who are concerned will never be the majority.

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