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November 10, 2017, 07:04:02 AM
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Hey Guys! Can anybody help me? Just looked in my Byteball wallet and saw that I havent received my blackbytes yet but my Gbytes... Always used the same address and hadnt any problems in the past airdrops. What can I do?
Got the same issue!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.msg24273995#msg24273995

I've sent a message to Tony, no reply yet.

Are you sure you didn't send any payments in these two months? When you do your change (what is left in your wallet) gets automatically transferred to a new address inside the wallet, so before the airdrop you have to relink it. BTW this is a mistake I have just done myself for this latest airdrop, and didn't get any blackbytes either.

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November 10, 2017, 08:11:10 AM
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Does this mean that every time I receive Blackbytes I have to do a full backup? If I will recover from seed, will I have 0 blackbytes?
Yes.
Best way to be safe is to use a multi-device wallet, then each time you receive blackbytes the private data are replicated among all your devices.
Use a 1 out of 2 multisig wallet to have a "live backup", see Byteball: Blackbytes FAQ for details.

My favourite analogy:
Think of Blackbytes as a post-it handed to you by the previous owner. The post-it says: "you are now the new owner". Together with handing you the post-it, the DAG registers that the previous owner is no longer the owner of these Blackbytes. The DAG does not register who received the post-it.
Now, if you lose this post-it, the previous owner can simply give you another post-it that says: "you are now the new owner".
If you want to give your Blackbytes to someone else, your post-it contains all the information you need to create a new valid post-it for the receiving user, and to register the change of ownership in the DAG.

Note that there's nobody to give you a new post-it if you sent part of your blackbytes, and lose the post-it that holds your change!

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November 10, 2017, 10:27:17 AM
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Does this mean that every time I receive Blackbytes I have to do a full backup? If I will recover from seed, will I have 0 blackbytes?
Yes.
Best way to be safe is to use a multi-device wallet, then each time you receive blackbytes the private data are replicated among all your devices.
Use a 1 out of 2 multisig wallet to have a "live backup", see Byteball: Blackbytes FAQ for details.

My favourite analogy:
Think of Blackbytes as a post-it handed to you by the previous owner. The post-it says: "you are now the new owner". Together with handing you the post-it, the DAG registers that the previous owner is no longer the owner of these Blackbytes. The DAG does not register who received the post-it.
Now, if you lose this post-it, the previous owner can simply give you another post-it that says: "you are now the new owner".
If you want to give your Blackbytes to someone else, your post-it contains all the information you need to create a new valid post-it for the receiving user, and to register the change of ownership in the DAG.

Note that there's nobody to give you a new post-it if you sent part of your blackbytes, and lose the post-it that holds your change!

1of2 multisig wallet is the best way, except for a 1of3 which is even better Smiley
And BTW thank you for this nice analogy for the blackbytes mechanism - very easy to grasp.

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November 10, 2017, 12:30:36 PM
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Does this mean that every time I receive Blackbytes I have to do a full backup? If I will recover from seed, will I have 0 blackbytes?
Yes.
Best way to be safe is to use a multi-device wallet, then each time you receive blackbytes the private data are replicated among all your devices.
Use a 1 out of 2 multisig wallet to have a "live backup", see Byteball: Blackbytes FAQ for details.

My favourite analogy:
Think of Blackbytes as a post-it handed to you by the previous owner. The post-it says: "you are now the new owner". Together with handing you the post-it, the DAG registers that the previous owner is no longer the owner of these Blackbytes. The DAG does not register who received the post-it.
Now, if you lose this post-it, the previous owner can simply give you another post-it that says: "you are now the new owner".
If you want to give your Blackbytes to someone else, your post-it contains all the information you need to create a new valid post-it for the receiving user, and to register the change of ownership in the DAG.

Note that there's nobody to give you a new post-it if you sent part of your blackbytes, and lose the post-it that holds your change!

1of2 multisig wallet is the best way, except for a 1of3 which is even better Smiley
And BTW thank you for this nice analogy for the blackbytes mechanism - very easy to grasp.
Yes, that's right when it comes to security through redundancy.
But you have to note the following: With each additional device also increases the risk of being hacked.
At 1 of 3 it is enough to hack one device. So if you manage serious volumes I would recommend 2 of 3.
This corresponds to a 2FA authentication.
If you change the password regularly you have a very high security level.
I also suggested implementing time and volume based payment terms.
This can reduce a loss if you were hacked. But you can also do many other things e.g. Pocket money, Prepaid ..
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November 10, 2017, 01:39:39 PM
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Does this mean that every time I receive Blackbytes I have to do a full backup? If I will recover from seed, will I have 0 blackbytes?
Yes.
Best way to be safe is to use a multi-device wallet, then each time you receive blackbytes the private data are replicated among all your devices.
Use a 1 out of 2 multisig wallet to have a "live backup", see Byteball: Blackbytes FAQ for details.

My favourite analogy:
Think of Blackbytes as a post-it handed to you by the previous owner. The post-it says: "you are now the new owner". Together with handing you the post-it, the DAG registers that the previous owner is no longer the owner of these Blackbytes. The DAG does not register who received the post-it.
Now, if you lose this post-it, the previous owner can simply give you another post-it that says: "you are now the new owner".
If you want to give your Blackbytes to someone else, your post-it contains all the information you need to create a new valid post-it for the receiving user, and to register the change of ownership in the DAG.

Note that there's nobody to give you a new post-it if you sent part of your blackbytes, and lose the post-it that holds your change!

1of2 multisig wallet is the best way, except for a 1of3 which is even better Smiley
And BTW thank you for this nice analogy for the blackbytes mechanism - very easy to grasp.
Yes, that's right when it comes to security through redundancy.
But you have to note the following: With each additional device also increases the risk of being hacked.
At 1 of 3 it is enough to hack one device. So if you manage serious volumes I would recommend 2 of 3.
This corresponds to a 2FA authentication.
If you change the password regularly you have a very high security level.
I also suggested implementing time and volume based payment terms.
This can reduce a loss if you were hacked. But you can also do many other things e.g. Pocket money, Prepaid ..

I completely agree with you. This is why for me I have tried su setup a multisig wallet 2of5, which in my view would have offered the ultimate security, as I would always need at least 2 devices to withdraw any funds. 2of3 would be too dangerous because if 2 devices would happen to fail you would lose all your funds. 2of4 would be OK but since one of my devices would have been a PC in another town I had to opt for a 2of5. However, in this case I had to face some problems which mobile wallets still have when going multisig - they would basically never correctly sync blackbytes, and ocasionally they would get totally stuck and possibly corrupted. I hope that mobile wallets will get improved in future, at the moment they are not very reliable.

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November 10, 2017, 08:11:31 PM
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I say continue distribution to those that have held bytball and not been shuffling and churning it on exchanges.

The distribution to me is a disaster of in so many ways ..certainly block off the known addresses of competing projects holding huge amounts of BB that was totally foolish giving it all to them so now we have to go stop distributing to the people that bought bb being told they would get future full moon airdrops just so we can fund our own development. In fact if i could vote for forking this and nulling their wallets i would. Take back our tokens and use them for development too. I mean why are we funding the development of projects competing against us I own LISK and KOMODO and probably a few others byte ball donated huge chunks of its minting too and still i think it is totally ridiculous.

Then let;s destroy real investor belief in anything the dev says in future by stopping their airdrops they probably invested in it for in the first place and held since the top which was  10x higher. If i had actually purchased this in june/july I would be pretty seething. Not only have I taken a 90% hair cut on my btc I am now not getting the meager 20 or even 10 percent recurring airdrops and the distribution is being strung out longer and longer and trust me most investors do NOT like the dev in sole control of such a huge percentage of the minting. The distribution should be finished in 3 months or less. Build in a development funding mechanism if you wish but holding back and controlling so much of the minting in such a centralised way is just another nail in this projects coffin.

Those who stuck up for this distributional model at the start must have rocks in their head. KNOWINGLY giving such huge funding to competing projects and exchanges is still unfathomable to me. Tonych never comments on it either. You basically KNOWINGLY just made your task magnitudes hard and drawn out.

Luckily it is the most novel project technically here except perhaps eth so it;s not dead but to get where is should have been already is going to take 10x longer and the vast profits on the way will be given away to other projects and exchanges.

What a waste of a great chance it has been so far.

I dont care if the rest of the tokens are burned right now. It is more damaging having them in the sole control of one person.

Better to create a development funding mechanism that creates a small % of tokens that are used according to a decentralised voting process.

If I could fork it and null the other competing projects known bb wallets I would do that too. We have no issue changing distributional methods we consider mistakes here. That was the largest mistake. Lets undo that. Im sure they would have more shame than to complain since its not even their BTC anyway.

Real investors (those that do their homework) do not care that the project has the best tech or best user case. They look hard at the distribution and risk of a shift of the value in btc and tech to another project or out in to fiat altogether. Right now byteball is high risk in that area. Forget looking at wallet numbers nobody knows how they are being split. All we know is at the start a small very small number of people took huge amounts of this coin which was then compounded. That is risky for market making and collusion and exit.

On top of that the dev holds 60% and makes unilateral non consulting decisions on those tokens.

This is super high risk right here. Also if tonych is a single coder not a group that is again super high risk.


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November 10, 2017, 08:32:54 PM
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I completely agree with you. This is why for me I have tried su setup a multisig wallet 2of5, which in my view would have offered the ultimate security, as I would always need at least 2 devices to withdraw any funds. 2of3 would be too dangerous because if 2 devices would happen to fail you would lose all your funds. 2of4 would be OK but since one of my devices would have been a PC in another town I had to opt for a 2of5. However, in this case I had to face some problems which mobile wallets still have when going multisig - they would basically never correctly sync blackbytes, and ocasionally they would get totally stuck and possibly corrupted. I hope that mobile wallets will get improved in future, at the moment they are not very reliable.

With a 2 of 3 multisig wallet, you would still get back your funds if you have written down the seed of at least one of your 2 failed devices.

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November 10, 2017, 08:35:09 PM
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Freebe Blackbyte Exchange Report

  • 24h volume: 1541 GBB
  • Last trade: 100 GBB at: 0.0300

  • Best Ask: 0.03 (100 GBB)
  • Best Bid: 0.0305 (19.266 GBB)
  • Total GBB wanted: 3387
  • Total GBB for sell: 1832

  • Total volume all time: 58099 GBB
  • Total successful trades: 925



Partially traiding enabled! Instantly sell any amount of Blackbytes at the best marketprice.

Just type: sell <amount> <your address> for example: sell 1.45g QUVOQQRO42BWCUG7VH2G6W6CWFKTGGI4. For the amount you can use any unit, such as "g", "m" or "k".

More help, information and live data available at: http://freebe.byte-ball.com





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November 10, 2017, 11:16:45 PM
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Does someone have any clues on when the user created assets will start to be able to broadcast their name? I've understood that the latest wallet upgrade is a huge step in the direction of making it possible.

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November 10, 2017, 11:38:02 PM
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Could you explain newbie-tech guy what is the main difference between Byteball and IOTA network architectures? They are both DAG, non-blockchain solutions I suppose. GBYTE was distributed through airdrops and IOTA by an ICO. Am I right?   

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November 11, 2017, 01:02:51 AM
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Version 1.11.3 released https://github.com/byteball/byteball/releases

* Added support for user friendly asset names.  However you will see the names in the wallet only after we set up the registries.  More about it later.
* Fixed a bug that crashed some full nodes with the error "removing stable witnessed unit"
* Fixed a bug that prevented unlocking of deeply nested smart contracts
* Improved sync performance of full nodes: sometimes validation of a new unit took about 30 seconds, now reduced to roughly 100ms

The update is mandatory for full nodes.  After the restart, full nodes will take some time (about 5 minutes on SSD disks) to upgrade the database for better performance, be patient.

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November 11, 2017, 05:42:05 AM
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Hey Guys! Can anybody help me? Just looked in my Byteball wallet and saw that I havent received my blackbytes yet but my Gbytes... Always used the same address and hadnt any problems in the past airdrops. What can I do?
Got the same issue!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1608859.msg24273995#msg24273995

I've sent a message to Tony, no reply yet.
Just updated to the latest - the transaction appeared! Anybody else having trouble seeing their BlackBytes just try update the wallet

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November 11, 2017, 05:53:59 AM
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when will be the next airdrop? or there will be no more airdrops?
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November 11, 2017, 05:56:07 AM
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when will be the next airdrop? or there will be no more airdrops?
There are no more airdrops for people who do not know how to read a thread - that means you.

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November 11, 2017, 06:39:41 AM
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Version 1.11.3 released https://github.com/byteball/byteball/releases

* Added support for user friendly asset names.  However you will see the names in the wallet only after we set up the registries.  More about it later.
* Fixed a bug that crashed some full nodes with the error "removing stable witnessed unit"
* Fixed a bug that prevented unlocking of deeply nested smart contracts
* Improved sync performance of full nodes: sometimes validation of a new unit took about 30 seconds, now reduced to roughly 100ms

The update is mandatory for full nodes.  After the restart, full nodes will take some time (about 5 minutes on SSD disks) to upgrade the database for better performance, be patient.
yes! this helps me and it's a incredible performance boost, thx!  Smiley

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November 11, 2017, 07:18:57 AM
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Marc de Mesel did a Byteball presentation and again gives out free bytes on his YouTube channel  Grin

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The new release is great news!
- asset names are a great multipler for projects on Byteball
- improving full node speed - will make many users happy
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Freebe Blackbyte Exchange Report

  • 24h volume: 1541 GBB
  • Last trade: 100 GBB at: 0.0300

  • Best Ask: 0.03 (100 GBB)
  • Best Bid: 0.0305 (19.266 GBB)
  • Total GBB wanted: 3387
  • Total GBB for sell: 1832

  • Total volume all time: 58099 GBB
  • Total successful trades: 925



Partially traiding enabled! Instantly sell any amount of Blackbytes at the best marketprice.

Just type: sell <amount> <your address> for example: sell 1.45g QUVOQQRO42BWCUG7VH2G6W6CWFKTGGI4. For the amount you can use any unit, such as "g", "m" or "k".

More help, information and live data available at: http://freebe.byte-ball.com






Is it stuck? I see the buy price higher than sell price and nothing executed (those red ones should be executed)...

Sell Order 6 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 0.0429 GB, buy: 1.2546 GBB (ratio: 0.034:1)
Hours left: 101
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Sell Order 5 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 1.6591 GB, buy: 50 GBB (ratio: 0.033:1)
Hours left: 33
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Sell Order 4 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 0.4651 GB, buy: 15.1661 GBB (ratio: 0.0305:1)
Hours left: 140
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Sell Order 3 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 0.3726 GB, buy: 12.2183 GBB (ratio: 0.0303:1)
Hours left: 2
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Sell Order 2 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 3.0366 GB, buy: 100 GBB (ratio: 0.0302:1)
Hours left: 168
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Sell Order 1 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 3.0165 GB, buy: 100 GBB (ratio: 0.03:1)
Hours left: 156
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🔃 Open buy orders
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Buy Order 1 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 12.2183 GBB, buy: 0.3706 GB (ratio: 1:0.0305)
Valid until removal.
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Buy Order 2 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 100 GBB, buy: 2.9999 GB (ratio: 1:0.0302)
Valid until removal.
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Buy Order 3 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 799.91 GBB, buy: 23.8653 GB (ratio: 1:0.03)
Valid until removal.
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Buy Order 4 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 900 GBB, buy: 26.8515 GB (ratio: 1:0.03)
Valid until removal.
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Buy Order 5 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 250 GBB, buy: 7.4587 GB (ratio: 1:0.03)
Valid until removal.
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Buy Order 6 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 22.1 GBB, buy: 0.6593 GB (ratio: 1:0.03)
Valid until removal.

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November 11, 2017, 09:26:00 AM
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Freebe Blackbyte Exchange Report

  • 24h volume: 1541 GBB
  • Last trade: 100 GBB at: 0.0300

  • Best Ask: 0.03 (100 GBB)
  • Best Bid: 0.0305 (19.266 GBB)
  • Total GBB wanted: 3387
  • Total GBB for sell: 1832

  • Total volume all time: 58099 GBB
  • Total successful trades: 925



Partially traiding enabled! Instantly sell any amount of Blackbytes at the best marketprice.

Just type: sell <amount> <your address> for example: sell 1.45g QUVOQQRO42BWCUG7VH2G6W6CWFKTGGI4. For the amount you can use any unit, such as "g", "m" or "k".

More help, information and live data available at: http://freebe.byte-ball.com






Is it stuck? I see the buy price higher than sell price and nothing executed (those red ones should be executed)...

Sell Order 6 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 0.0429 GB, buy: 1.2546 GBB (ratio: 0.034:1)
Hours left: 101
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛
Sell Order 5 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 1.6591 GB, buy: 50 GBB (ratio: 0.033:1)
Hours left: 33
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛
Sell Order 4 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 0.4651 GB, buy: 15.1661 GBB (ratio: 0.0305:1)
Hours left: 140
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛
Sell Order 3 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 0.3726 GB, buy: 12.2183 GBB (ratio: 0.0303:1)
Hours left: 2
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛
Sell Order 2 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 3.0366 GB, buy: 100 GBB (ratio: 0.0302:1)
Hours left: 168
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛
Sell Order 1 ➡ click here to buy BlackBytes
pay: 3.0165 GB, buy: 100 GBB (ratio: 0.03:1)
Hours left: 156
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛


🔃 Open buy orders
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Buy Order 1 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 12.2183 GBB, buy: 0.3706 GB (ratio: 1:0.0305)
Valid until removal.
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛
Buy Order 2 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 100 GBB, buy: 2.9999 GB (ratio: 1:0.0302)
Valid until removal.
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛
Buy Order 3 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 799.91 GBB, buy: 23.8653 GB (ratio: 1:0.03)
Valid until removal.
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛

Buy Order 4 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 900 GBB, buy: 26.8515 GB (ratio: 1:0.03)
Valid until removal.
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛
Buy Order 5 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 250 GBB, buy: 7.4587 GB (ratio: 1:0.03)
Valid until removal.
┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛
Buy Order 6 ➡ click here to sell BlackBytes
pay: 22.1 GBB, buy: 0.6593 GB (ratio: 1:0.03)
Valid until removal.


Yea, there was an issue with the time oracle, which was offline. Tony just restarted it and the orders went throught.
I also made a small adaption to freebe, so that if the time oracle is down again, orders should continue to get filled.

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November 11, 2017, 09:31:48 AM
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first time using freebe.
I need help. I type: "sell (amount) (ratio) (my address)" then I got: " Payment Request: xxxxxxx blackbytes."  Do I need to do anything else? or just wait?
do i need bytes to sell blackbytes?

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